Another Mass Shooting

[Aristides]

6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Not for hunting, or at least not just for hunting.

I'm a Canadian who's lived in the country. You don't just want a gun to hunt with. There's the self-protection element when you're an hour or more away from police.

If I was an American it wouldn't just be isolation that would inspire that reaction.

Then there's the idea gun ownership slows the Government's urge to totalitarian authoritarianism. In America, yeah, I could see that as a concern. Here too, but Trudeau-style authoritarians are controlled by an ever-present American line as to what they'll tolerate.

Meanwhile, dead kids are acceptable. They should just cut the crap and admit it.

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Then there's the idea gun ownership slows the Government's urge to totalitarian authoritarianism. In America, yeah, I could see that as a concern. Here too, but Trudeau-style authoritarians are controlled by an ever-present American line as to what they'll tolerate.

That's funny, because reflexively Americans want more "protection" from people that may commit crimes like this. 

Saw a video of Ted Cruz blaming the multiple entrances into this school as a culprit. Meaning he wants schools to be like the airport? 

Seems it only welcomes more intrusion from Paramilitary police. 

[Infidel Dog]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

You're grasping at straws. 

Poor mental health amongst teenagers is nothing new. 

But regular school shootings are. 

Europe and Canada had much more stringent COVID restriction. I don't see people resorting to large scale murder in any other Western Democracy. 

You haven't been watching the news lately then. Or maybe you have but aren't able to discern the facts out of the way the 5 0'clock liars here present them.

Yes depression, suicide and even violence has been increasing in Canada. I haven't been paying much attention to Europe but they might see a decrease in violence as the pandemic slowed immigration.

Also if you had clicked the links instead of offering your expertise on what you want to believe the evidence is for increased drug use you'd know there is good reason to wonder why all recent mass shootings have been by perps who have been drug users or recently got off drugs.

[Infidel Dog]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Meanwhile, dead kids are acceptable. They should just cut the crap and admit it.

If that really bothered you, you'd be pushing for fentanyl controls before you worried about anything else.

[Boges]

Just now, Infidel Dog said:

You haven't been watching the news lately then. Or maybe you have but aren't able to discern the facts out of the way the 5 0'clock liars here present them.

Yes depression, suicide and even violence has been increasing in Canada. I haven't been paying much attention to Europe but they might see a decrease in violence as the pandemic slowed immigration.

Also if you had clicked the links instead of offering your expertise on what you want to believe the evidence is for increased drug use you'd know there is good reason to wonder why all recent mass shootings have been by perps who have been drug users or recently got off drugs.

Depression and mass murder are two different things. 

I'll concede that the Pandemic caused depression, suicide and even violence.

Though I will point out that the Pandemic didn't just create an environment where one would kill themselves or commit violence simply because of the Pandemic. There likely would have been mental vulnerabilities that the pandemic only made worse. 

Still, the rest of the Western World doesn't create an environment where a pissed off Teenager can order a few guns online and pick them up at a Sports Chek, like this kid did. 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

If that really bothered you, you'd be pushing for fentanyl controls before you worried about anything else.

Have you seen the TV Series Dopesick? It's clear unfettered capitalism contributed to the Opioid crisis.  

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:

If that really bothered you, you'd be pushing for fentanyl controls before you worried about anything else.

You can't "control" fentanyl but point taken. We are as bad dealing with drug addiction as they are with firearms.

[Infidel Dog]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

That's funny, because reflexively Americans want more "protection" from people that may commit crimes like this. 

Saw a video of Ted Cruz blaming the multiple entrances into this school as a culprit. Meaning he wants schools to be like the airport? 

Seems it only welcomes more intrusion from Paramilitary police. 

Seriously? You've never heard of the Conservative and most Libertarian belief that the first and some believe only purpose of government controls is protection of the the public.

[Infidel Dog]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Depression and mass murder are two different things. 

No. You're incorrect. Depression, anxiety, self-harm, violence can all be connected when you're looking for root causes.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:

Seriously? You've never heard of the Conservative and most Libertarian belief that the first and some believe only purpose of government controls is protection of the the public.

That can be very subjective. 

My Libertarian view is that I don't want to live in a world where cops are needed everywhere. Luckily I don't. 

[Infidel Dog]

2 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You can't "control" fentanyl 

Of course, you can. Start here:

How China flooded the U.S. with lethal fentanyl, fueling the opioid crisis

But fentanyl is not the only drug or even the major drug associated with mass shootings. I mention it only for the harm it's been doing to youth. 

 

[Infidel Dog]

20 minutes ago, Boges said:

That can be very subjective. 

My Libertarian view is that I don't want to live in a world where cops are needed everywhere. Luckily I don't. 

You're no more Libertarian than those progs on the Conservative leadership thread pretending to be concerned an actual Conservative might gain control of the party are Conservatives.

Cruz was not talking about "cops everywhere." A libertarian would have understood the distinction between protecting the public and "cops everywhere."

 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[eyeball]

21 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Because you and yours are so much brainier believing repeating failed policies will save the world.

No because so many other countries have proven that gun controls work. Saddam Hussein OTOH proved that a gun in virtually every house is no guarantee against dictatorship.

Meanwhile, right wing Americans are more like Iraqis than any other people on Earth. You're armed to the teeth, many of you presumably as a hedge against your government becoming a dictator.  Which begs the question...what are you waiting for?

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

No because so many other countries have proven that gun controls work. Saddam Hussein OTOH proved that a gun in virtually every house is no guarantee against dictatorship.

Meanwhile, right wing Americans are more like Iraqis than any other people on Earth. You're armed to the teeth, many of you presumably as a hedge against your government becoming a dictator.  Which begs the question...what are you waiting for?

So many? Or are you presenting what you believe is an exception to prove the rule?

And I think you may be over-selling the guns you believe were on the street during Saddam's reign:

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - In the middle of Baghdad’s busy commercial neighborhood of Karrada, where most retail outlets sell home appliances, shoppers can now also buy handguns and semi-automatic rifles legally for the first time in decades.

 

After the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003, illegal weapons trade flourished across the country. Looted guns from ransacked police stations and military bases were sold in streets and public areas to residents seeking to protect themselves in a state that was largely lawless.

The authorities have since been battling to curb illegal weapon sales and the government has stepped up efforts to control gun ownership through regulation.

The latest initiative came into force this summer and allows citizens to own and carry handguns, semi-automatic rifles and other assault weapons after obtaining official authorization and an identity card that also details the individual’s weapons.

Previously, gun sales were restricted to firearms for hunting and sport.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Nationalist]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No because so many other countries have proven that gun controls work. Saddam Hussein OTOH proved that a gun in virtually every house is no guarantee against dictatorship.

Meanwhile, right wing Americans are more like Iraqis than any other people on Earth. You're armed to the teeth, many of you presumably as a hedge against your government becoming a dictator.  Which begs the question...what are you waiting for?

 

 

Hmmm..."right wing Americans are more like Iraqis than any other people on Earth"

What utter horseshit. I'd bet were all Democrats asked how many guns they own, you'd find over 20% admit to owning a gun and over 30% admit to there being a gun in their house.

My guess would be the numbers are even higher than that.

[Infidel Dog]

So I hear the police just shot a guy with a gun outside a school in the gun-free utopia of Toronto.

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A young girl at William G. Davis told CP24 she was in her science class when the class received a message from the principal that they were going into lockdown.

“This is not a drill, get under your desks,” she recalled being told.

“Some of us were fiddling around, some of us were kind of scared. After 10 minutes I knew that this was not a drill.”

She said they were not told anything for a while, and unease grew inside the class.

“I thought someone was trying to break into the school – I was just saying to myself – probably it’s the end of it,” she said.

She and her classmates were later let out of the school.

When she saw her mom outside the school she said she “felt relief.”

https://www.cp24.com/news/male-shot-by-police-near-scarborough-elementary-school-1.5919813

Surely that can't be. Haven't we been told all morning this kind of thing only happens in America?

Danforth shooting anybody...

Edited May 26, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

Over on our right wing side of the information highway were allowed to know the largest recent rise in legal gun ownership is among minorities and women. Those aren't hunters. They're people who want to protect themselves.

[Aristides]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Of course, you can. Start here:

How China flooded the U.S. with lethal fentanyl, fueling the opioid crisis

But fentanyl is not the only drug or even the major drug associated with mass shootings. I mention it only for the harm it's been doing to youth. 

 

We have never been able to control the flow of drugs into the country, all we have ever been able to do is slow it down and occasionally reduce supply. The big difference with fentanyl is that it is easy to produce and dirt cheap compared to natural opioids like heroin.

Edited May 26, 2022 by Aristides

[Infidel Dog]

1 minute ago, Aristides said:

We have never been able to control the flow of drugs into the country, all we have ever been able to do is slow it down and occasionally reduce supply.

You have a better chance of controlling the flow of Fentanyl from China than you do of grabbing all the guns in America.

[Aristides]

1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:

You have a better chance of controlling the flow of Fentanyl from China than you do of grabbing all the guns in America.

Not really, we don't produce heroin domestically and we have never been able to control the flow of that.

[Infidel Dog]

Fentanyl isn't illegal.

[taxme]

On 5/25/2022 at 11:26 AM, Boges said:

I agree, but this has nothing to do with Gun Crime. 

These type of incidents happen in both Red and Blue states. 

Things are really bad in blue democratic states. Compared to red conservative states, they have nothing on blue states. At least dozens of people get shot and either wounded or killed every month in blue states and blue cities like Chicago. Gun crime is big in blue states. ?

[Infidel Dog]

3 hours ago, Aristides said:

The last mass shooting we had was Portapique. Three of the four guns used were obtained in the US. All restricted firearms in Canada.

I see. So you don't want to grab the illegal guns then? Or are you just admitting it isn't possible?

Is it just the legal ones you want grabbed?

If grabbing all the guns isn't what you want, what do you want?

Specifically...

Edited May 26, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[taxme]

On 5/25/2022 at 12:12 PM, ExFlyer said:

Oh stop. If anything it is the republicans that are far more gun ownership crazy. 

The gun lobby is a very  powerful lobby in the US and they can make or break a politician, regardless of party.

"

Since 1998, gun rights groups have spent $190 million on lobbying, with 60% of that total being spent in the past nine years. Gun control advocates have spent just $30 million since 1998.

Beyond lobbying, gun control groups have contributed $50.5 million to federal candidates and party committees between 1989 and 2022, with the vast majority going to Republicans. They spent especially heavily in the 2020 election, with $16.6 million in outside spending. For 2022, they’ve already contributed $4.4 million, says OpenSecrets, based on its analysis of Federal Election Commission data."

https://fortune.com/2022/05/25/nra-contributions-politicians-lobbying-gun-rights-groups-record-2021-ted-cruz/

Apparently, the NRA went bankrupt some time ago. I guess that must mean that they are not such a powerful lobby in the US anymore. It looks like your anti gun lobby in the US HAS won the day against the NRA. ☹️

[Infidel Dog]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

Apparently, the NRA went bankrupt some time ago. I guess that must mean that they are not such a powerful lobby in the US anymore. It looks like your anti gun lobby in the US HAS won the day against the NRA. ☹️

Meanwhile Big Pharma's lobbyist are putting out multiple millions to lobby government.

I wonder which is responsible for more American deaths.

As one small example, would Fentanyl be an "assault drug?"