Russia's Civil War

[August1991]

On 3/18/2022 at 12:29 PM, Infidel Dog said:

I believe the Katyn massacre was a massacre of Polish officers and other Poles. FDR also felt it expedient to cover it up.

I have been to such places, walked around.

Sometimes, Europeans have a memorial. More often, they don't.

It is hard to find battlefields of the Seven Years War. It is easy to find a US Civil War battlefield.  

[August1991]

Let me put this in federalist Anglo-Canadian perspective:

Putin is like Pierre Trudeau, he is keeping the country together.

Like Quebec, Ukraine is part of a larger whole.

"Quebec has its place. And its place is within Canada."

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Let me put this in modern American perspective:

Putin is like Abraham Lincoln, he is maintaining the union.

Edited March 24, 2022 by August1991

[Yzermandius19]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

Like Putin and XI, Trudeau Snr and Reagan understood the 19th century world - while imagining a 21st world.

Sadly, Trudeau Jnr (and Butts) only signal in the 20th century.

Putin and Xi are prior century revanchists

trying to humpty dumpty back together again

not forward looking leaders at all, they are very much stuck in the past

Edited March 24, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

6 hours ago, August1991 said:

Let me put this in federalist Anglo-Canadian perspective:

Putin is like Pierre Trudeau, he is keeping the country together.

Like Quebec, Ukraine is part of a larger whole.

"Quebec has its place. And its place is within Canada."

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Let me put this in modern American perspective:

Putin is like Abraham Lincoln, he is maintaining the union.

Putin is making sure the union never comes back

he has alienated Ukraine and turned it against Russia

he is no Abraham Lincoln

Russia is in steep decline, not on the rise

Edited March 24, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Infidel Dog]

Russia has no more right to the Ukraine as a previously conquering empire than the Mongolians have.

[August1991]

On 3/24/2022 at 1:02 PM, Infidel Dog said:

Russia has no more right to the Ukraine as a previously conquering empire than the Mongolians have.

Precisely.

After numerous conversations with Tony Blair and G-8 meetings , Putin decided that he should protect Russians differently. 

[August1991]

On 3/24/2022 at 10:10 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

Putin and Xi are prior century revanchists

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The term is irredentism.

I recently heard that Putin and Xi live in the 19th century. - while Obama lives in the 21st century.

 

[Yzermandius19]

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

The term is irredentism.

the term is revanchism

[athos]

"Anglo-Khazarian crocodile tears for Ukraine and unprecedented irrational hatred towards the Russian people are not motivated by empathy but by the mourning that their plan to conquer Russia and the whole world, has been ruined".

"We must not forget that the conquest colonial doctrine of Great Britain was based on the basic assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. Today, racial superiority has been replaced by the superiority of Western quasi-democracy. The irony is that Britain and its colonies, like Canada and Australia, have never had a democratically elected head of state".

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Edited March 28, 2022 by athos

[Yzermandius19]

12 hours ago, athos said:

"Anglo-Khazarian crocodile tears for Ukraine and unprecedented irrational hatred towards the Russian people are not motivated by empathy but by the mourning that their plan to conquer Russia and the whole world, has been ruined".

"We must not forget that the conquest colonial doctrine of Great Britain was based on the basic assumption of the superiority of the Anglo-Saxon race. Today, racial superiority has been replaced by the superiority of Western quasi-democracy. The irony is that Britain and its colonies, like Canada and Australia, have never had a democratically elected head of state".

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Russia is doing a good job bringing itself down

the conspiracy to bring down Russia is run from the Kremlin

self sabotage is a helluva drug

Edited March 28, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[sharkman]

On 3/17/2022 at 11:05 PM, August1991 said:

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I completely disagree with Putin's method. Chubais was correct to post a photo of Nemtsov. 

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I am appalled with how quickly people trust the MSM.

I am amazed how quickly people learn otherwise.

 

 

And where do you learn about what Putin's methods are?  Hopefully not the MSM, who are basically fanning the flames.

[athos]

15 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Russia is doing a good job bringing itself down

the conspiracy to bring down Russia is run from the Kremlin

self sabotage is a helluva drug

Completely irrelevant comment for this topic.

Do you speak English???

[Yzermandius19]

4 hours ago, athos said:

Completely irrelevant comment for this topic.

Do you speak English???

totally relevant

you just don't like comments that don't make the Russians seem ten feet tall

or doesn't paint their motives as noble and pure

or points out most of their problems are their own fault and can't be blamed on a western boogeyman 

you're just here to push Russian propaganda and disinformation

when it comes to irrelevant posts, you're the king

Edited March 29, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[athos]

The whole free world hopes that Russia will oppose the Globalists and their puppet zombies, which would
finally save the normal humanity from Anglo-Khazarian fascist enslavement.

[August1991]

On 3/26/2022 at 11:04 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

the term is revanchism

Whatever.

Woodrow Wilson, like Biden (another progressive) wanted to make the world a better place.

Edited March 30, 2022 by August1991

[August1991]

On 3/28/2022 at 3:39 PM, sharkman said:

And where do you learn about what Putin's methods are?  Hopefully not the MSM, who are basically fanning the flames.

IMHO, Putin is following what Catherine the Great already did.

Look at the map.

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People are wondering what Putin will do. I suggest looking at what Catherine the Great did.

Yeltsin wanted to be known as "Russia's First President".

Putin's father said: "My son will be a Tsar."

Edited March 30, 2022 by August1991

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

IMHO, Putin is following what Catherine the Great already did.

Look at the map.

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People are wondering what Putin will do. I suggest looking at what Catherine the Great did.

Yeltsin wanted to be known as "Russia's First President".

Putin's father said: "My son will be a Tsar."

hence revanchism

they want to take back what they lost

just as Germany did after WWI

Russia has no right to take it back

and are getting their asses kicked trying

karmic justice

Edited March 30, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

Whatever.

Woodrow Wilson, like Biden (another progressive) wanted to make the world a better place.

humanitarian pixie dust is a helluva drug

[sharkman]

20 hours ago, August1991 said:

IMHO, Putin is following what Catherine the Great already did.

Look at the map.

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People are wondering what Putin will do. I suggest looking at what Catherine the Great did.

Yeltsin wanted to be known as "Russia's First President".

Putin's father said: "My son will be a Tsar."

I checked into Catherine, and I think I like the cut of her jib, and what she did for mother Russia.  And I can see how Putin has some similar goals and the like, but there are some big differences too.  Starting with Ukraine.  I was talking to a woman in her seventies about Ukraine and she informed me that the worst Nazis of the bunch back in WWII were Ukrainian Nazis.  Which lends credence to what Putin is saying about parts of the Ukrainian army and what they are doing to Russians(and now torturing captured Russian soldiers).

Ukraine has weaved a strange path since their most recent independence from Russia, but then there is Putin.  He has now returned Russia's currency to the gold standard instead of submitting any further to the world system.  Funny thing, Libya switched to gold backed currency and then got wiped out, but that's a rabbit trail I should stay off of.  At any rate, Putin seems to have made a pretty big step with this currency thing, and then invading Ukraine.  He claims he's got evidence of American funded Bio labs working on some pretty nasty stuff.  I can't help but wonder if his goals diverge greatly from Catherine's.  Why would he make these moves now?  How does alienating the community of nations like this have any benefit for Russia?  Because they are certainly all taking his name off their Christmas card lists, if you get my drift, very much unlike Catherine.

This is also when Biden and others started fearmongering about Russia and biological warfare, like Russia would release some chemicals in Ukraine in an act of pure madness.  But this is when he says he was bombing and destroying some of these labs.  Could it be that the world was just waiting for some kind of bio leak to result from a lab being bombed, and then claim Russia released an agent on purpose, all the while denying there are any such labs in the Ukraine?  I better not go down that rabbit trail either. 

It's quite hard to discern the truth of the matter, but Putin doesn't seem like an idiot when he's made international appearances or is seen talking in a press release.  He seems pretty calm cool and collected.  

[August1991]

Sharkman,

I don't know if you're American.

I know Canada well -French, English, Catholic, Protestant.

I admire the people who wrote the US Constitution: each State is a country.

 

[suds]

13 hours ago, August1991 said:

Sharkman,

I don't know if you're American.

I know Canada well -French, English, Catholic, Protestant.

I admire the people who wrote the US Constitution: each State is a country.

 

How would you compare US states to Canadian provinces?  Or better yet, how would you compare US federalism to Canadian federalism?

[August1991]

On 4/2/2022 at 2:28 PM, suds said:

How would you compare US states to Canadian provinces?  Or better yet, how would you compare US federalism to Canadian federalism?

By a British act, we have a dominion creating a federal State because of you Americans. 1867, guess why?

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1. Your amendment process. At the outset, you made plain that it could be amended. Your framers added 13!

2. Your 10th amendment. It made plain that a Consititution restricts the power of the State.

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Pierre Trudeau, in an attempt to do what your framers did, added the Charter of Rights to Canada's BNA Act.

Trudeau was a federalist more than a democrat. 

Lévesque était plus démocrate que fédéraliste.

 

Edited April 4, 2022 by August1991

[August1991]

Russia (like Canada and, uh, the United States) is a federation, a federal state.

I wonder what Pierre Trudeau would say about this war.

I know what he said about a war in Nigeria.  

[Yzermandius19]

6 hours ago, August1991 said:

Russia (like Canada and, uh, the United States) is a federation, a federal state.

I wonder what Pierre Trudeau would say about this war.

I know what he said about a war in Nigeria.  

Ukraine is not apart of that federation

equating them to Quebec and Russia to Canada is a stupid analogy

Edited April 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[sharkman]

21 hours ago, August1991 said:

Russia (like Canada and, uh, the United States) is a federation, a federal state.

I wonder what Pierre Trudeau would say about this war.

I know what he said about a war in Nigeria.  

What would he say about his son?