Republican Crooks and Perverts

[ironstone]

22 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Yes are you retarded I’m accusing conservatives of saying black people are criminals. As was exactly the case with Trayvonn Martin. Conservatives always try to imply that Black people are criminals and that criminals are mostly black people. Whenever a police officer kills a black person without justification the conservatives always take the cops side and claim the black person deserved it. Damn near 100% of the time 

Perhaps you can answer some of the questions that Ben Shapiro asked, but didn't get an answer to in this debate. The reaction to his questions at the beginning are appalling .

 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

I'm not really into hero worship although there are some public figures I admire.

As for Al Sharpton, I first heard about him during the Tawana Brawley hoax in which he played a role. In my opinion the guy is just a race hustler and a very successful one at that.

Sharpton is no civil rights activist, but is a race-baiter | Our Opinion | bgdailynews.com

Thirty Years Ago Today Al Sharpton Incited Crown Heights Pogrom - The Lid (lidblog.com)

At every opportunity he fans the flames of racism where there may be none. This is what he lives for. Why on earth is this man revered so much within the Democratic party? 

Al Sharpton’s Long Bill of Goods, From Tawana Brawley to Primetime (thedailybeast.com)

The fact that you Republicans are so concerned with “race hustlers” when we know racism is real and pervasive and systemic, you guys eager to cherry/pick the specific instances where the allegation is disproven or simply can’t be proven. 
 

Another example of Red State racism:  Indiana school sends letter home to parents telling them they can opt their kids out of black history month lessons  

https://www.wthr.com/amp/article/news/education/brown-county-spurnica-elementary-school-letter-gives-families-choice-to-opt-out-of-black-history-month-lessons/531-a0ac921e-aa2f-4bcb-b4e7-33c819441fab

 

[ironstone]

21 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

The fact that you Republicans are so concerned with “race hustlers” when we know racism is real and pervasive and systemic, you guys eager to cherry/pick the specific instances where the allegation is disproven or simply can’t be proven. 
 

Another example of Red State racism:  Indiana school sends letter home to parents telling them they can opt their kids out of black history month lessons  

https://www.wthr.com/amp/article/news/education/brown-county-spurnica-elementary-school-letter-gives-families-choice-to-opt-out-of-black-history-month-lessons/531-a0ac921e-aa2f-4bcb-b4e7-33c819441fab

 

You say racism is real and pervasive and systemic. Can you provide specific examples?

Your link isn't an example of racism either. If you read it carefully it says the families have the CHOICE to opt out of black history month lessons. What's wrong with having  the benefit of choice?

I am seeing black history month promoted everywhere and I want to have the choice to watch it or not. I choose not.

[Nationalist]

On 2/16/2022 at 6:02 PM, ironstone said:

Perhaps you can answer some of the questions that Ben Shapiro asked, but didn't get an answer to in this debate. The reaction to his questions at the beginning are appalling .

 

Bravo Ben Shapiro. He made the 2 on the left of the stage look childish and inept. Which evidently wasn't difficult. Facts and truth...they always win out.

Beave:

On 2/16/2022 at 8:21 PM, BeaverFever said:

we know racism is real and pervasive and systemic

Show me that the system is racist...if you can.

I know the system is, in fact, racist as hell. But I want to let you have a go at this first. Then...we'll talk reality.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Nationalist

[BeaverFever]

On 2/17/2022 at 6:20 PM, ironstone said:

You say racism is real and pervasive and systemic. Can you provide specific examples?

Your link isn't an example of racism either. If you read it carefully it says the families have the CHOICE to opt out of black history month lessons. What's wrong with having  the benefit of choice?

I am seeing black history month promoted everywhere and I want to have the choice to watch it or not. I choose not.

It’s hilarious that you don’t see any racism in that making Black history the only part of the curriculum that’s optional.  Seriously   It shows that don’t consider black people to be equal citizens and their American experience is optional and irrelevant 

Can people opt out of other history lessons ?  Nope. Can black people opt of white history? Nope. And the “black history” is just one lesson and on one day. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

It’s hilarious that you don’t see any racism in that making Black history the only part of the curriculum that’s optional.  Seriously   It shows that don’t consider black people to be equal citizens and their American experience is optional and irrelevant 

Can people opt out of other history lessons ?  Nope. Can black people opt of white history? Nope. And the “black history” is just one lesson and on one day. 

I see you don't wanna rise to my challenge. Ok.

What exactly is "white history"? For that matter...what is "black history"? Why would anyone racialize history? What possible benefit can such a divisive and frankly, racist warp of history, produce?

Edited February 24, 2022 by Nationalist

[BeaverFever]

10 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Bravo Ben Shapiro. He made the 2 on the left of the stage look childish and inept. Which evidently wasn't difficult. Facts and truth...they always win out.

Beave:

Show me that the system is racist...if you can.

I know the system is, in fact, racist as hell. But I want to let you have a go at this first. Then...we'll talk reality.

Let me guess “racist as hell” against white people right?  Lmao

The statistics don’t lie:  AFTER ALL OTHER FACTORS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR,  Black people face harsher treatment from school officials, police, courts, juries employers, landlords etc.  Lawmakers have all kinds of laws that unfairly punish black people

Black students are 3x more likely to be suspended from school than white students FOR THE SAME OFFENCES 

US had harsher drug penalties ONLY for crack cocaine which disproportionately affects black people but not for drugs that disproportionately affect white people like powder cocaine or meth.

Black drivers are far more likely to be stopped by police for no reason or for minor reasons like jaywalking and those incidents for alleged minor infractions are more likely to result in police brutality and/or “piling on” of additional charges like resisting arrest, obstruction, etc.  

When an accused first offender commits a minor crime and is white, juries are more open to the idea that the accused is a good person who did a bad thing, or is at least a person capable of feeling remorse, learning and reforming. But when they are black, they are presumed to be natural lifelong criminals who finally got caught and revealed their true nature   Criminal sentences for black people are on average  20% more likely to be sentenced to jail time than white people convicted of the same offences and with similar criminal history, and their jail sentences are also on average 20% longer   

Researchers regularly send out identical resumes,  some with “white” names and others with conspicuously  black (or other ethnic) names and the non-whites get fewer callbacks from employers   
 

Market surveys of homebuyers consistently show that black house-seekers are shown and told about fewer homes for sale by their realtors compared to white house-seekers.  

US Realtors show fewer homes to US Realtors show fewer homes to The people making these decisions claim they’re not doing it because of skin colour but their judgment of the individuals character, unaware that their subjective judgment if their character is subconsciously based on skin colour. 

Here are a couple of explainer vids. 
 

 

 

 

 

[BeaverFever]

5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I see you don't wanna rise to my challenge. Ok.

What exactly is "white history"? For that matter...what is "black history"? Why would anyone racialize history? What possible benefit can such a divisive and frankly, racist warp of history, produce?

See my follow-up post. 
 

Black history s the history of black people. “White history” is history that excludes experiences of people of colour and only focuses on those of White people. 

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Let me guess “racist as hell” against white people right?  Lmao

The statistics don’t lie:  AFTER ALL OTHER FACTORS ARE ACCOUNTED FOR,  Black people face harsher treatment from school officials, police, courts, juries employers, landlords etc.  Lawmakers have all kinds of laws that unfairly punish black people

Black students are 3x more likely to be suspended from school than white students FOR THE SAME OFFENCES 

US had harsher drug penalties ONLY for crack cocaine which disproportionately affects black people but not for drugs that disproportionately affect white people like powder cocaine or meth.

Black drivers are far more likely to be stopped by police for no reason or for minor reasons like jaywalking and those incidents for alleged minor infractions are more likely to result in police brutality and/or “piling on” of additional charges like resisting arrest, obstruction, etc.  

When an accused first offender commits a minor crime and is white, juries are more open to the idea that the accused is a good person who did a bad thing, or is at least a person capable of feeling remorse, learning and reforming. But when they are black, they are presumed to be natural lifelong criminals who finally got caught and revealed their true nature   Criminal sentences for black people are on average  20% more likely to be sentenced to jail time than white people convicted of the same offences and with similar criminal history, and their jail sentences are also on average 20% longer   

Researchers regularly send out identical resumes,  some with “white” names and others with conspicuously  black (or other ethnic) names and the non-whites get fewer callbacks from employers   
 

Market surveys of homebuyers consistently show that black house-seekers are shown and told about fewer homes for sale by their realtors compared to white house-seekers.  

US Realtors show fewer homes to US Realtors show fewer homes to The people making these decisions claim they’re not doing it because of skin colour but their judgment of the individuals character, unaware that their subjective judgment if their character is subconsciously based on skin colour. 

Here are a couple of explainer vids. 
 

 

 

 

 

And this system you seem so well versed in. Who and what created it? How did black Americans get so lost...so down trodden...so much at the mercy of that very system?

Do you know?

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

See my follow-up post. 
 

Black history s the history of black people. “White history” is history that excludes experiences of people of colour and only focuses on those of White people. 

Huh...I've never seen history as a colour based study. But then again...I've never been into race baiting.

[BeaverFever]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And this system you seem so well versed in. Who and what created it? How did black Americans get so lost...so down trodden...so much at the mercy of that very system?

Do you know?

Yeah it’s explained in the video. Watch it. 

[BeaverFever]

9 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...I've never seen history as a colour based study. But then again...I've never been into race baiting.

Just because you’re too blind and clueless  to recognize or understand racism doesn’t mean those who aren’t are “race baiting”. 
 

Theres a history of Irish Americans a history of Scottish Americans, a history of every group of people who have lived in the USA but you’re scratching your head thinking how the heck could there possibly be a history of black Americans?  You’re truly Clueless. 

[Nationalist]

22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Yeah it’s explained in the video. Watch it. 

What do you think would happen to any group of people, if they were given welfare easily, encouraged to forsake family and religion and told they are destined for failure because of another group?

Who started this destructive nonsense? 

Hint: Great Society.

[Nationalist]

26 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Just because you’re too blind and clueless  to recognize or understand racism doesn’t mean those who aren’t are “race baiting”. 
 

Theres a history of Irish Americans a history of Scottish Americans, a history of every group of people who have lived in the USA but you’re scratching your head thinking how the heck could there possibly be a history of black Americans?  You’re truly Clueless. 

There was no Irish history class in my school. Nor Scottish history class. What school did you go to?

[ironstone]

20 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

See my follow-up post. 
 

Black history s the history of black people. “White history” is history that excludes experiences of people of colour and only focuses on those of White people. 

I know I'm dreaming but how about just human history? History of countries, warts and all. In the US it seems they only want to teach the bad things that happened in that country and there were too many blemishes. On the other side, the positive things don't seem to get the same exposure. The US did have slavery at one time, but the US also ended slavery and that change came from within.

History can't be forgotten but life does go on. 

Why are asians doing even better than whites in many respects? I'm a white guy and when I hear that statistic I don't feel oppressed . Culture plays a big role in this in my opinion.

FOX News’ Juan Williams Blames Drill Music for America's Racial Problem (eurweb.com)

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

I know I'm dreaming but how about just human history? History of countries, warts and all. In the US it seems they only want to teach the bad things that happened in that country and there were too many blemishes. On the other side, the positive things don't seem to get the same exposure. The US did have slavery at one time, but the US also ended slavery and that change came from within.

History can't be forgotten but life does go on. 

Why are asians doing even better than whites in many respects? I'm a white guy and when I hear that statistic I don't feel oppressed . Culture plays a big role in this in my opinion.

FOX News’ Juan Williams Blames Drill Music for America's Racial Problem (eurweb.com)

You’re not ruled by Asians. In fact Asians only enjoy success up to a point. Everyone wants the stereotypical Asian math and computer nerds on their side but we don’t see many Asian leaders, no Asian has come close to becoming president and they’re still vastly underrepresented in senior leadership positions 

 

History isn’t just stories  It’s the explanation of how things turned out the way they are. Conservatives want the traditional history, which mainly features white people and white heroes and Euro-centric narratives but not the narratives of minorities are only allowed to play villains or subservient Tonto-style sidekicks  

 

Here’s what you’re not getting:  When you decide that you will teach about Christopher Columbus or the early settlers but not about the millions of indigenous and African people they enslaved and massacred, you think you’re just teaching “normal history that’s for everyone”.  And think that the stories of those indigenous and African people are irrelevant and don’t count and shouldn’t be forced on everyone else  Only a totally clueless idiot would say that the centuries of slavery and oppression and segregation that only ended during the current baby boomer generation’s lifetime have nothing to do with how people of those groups live in today’s society 

 

 

[ironstone]

23 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You’re not ruled by Asians. In fact Asians only enjoy success up to a point. Everyone wants the stereotypical Asian math and computer nerds on their side but we don’t see many Asian leaders, no Asian has come close to becoming president and they’re still vastly underrepresented in senior leadership positions 

 

History isn’t just stories  It’s the explanation of how things turned out the way they are. Conservatives want the traditional history, which mainly features white people and white heroes and Euro-centric narratives but not the narratives of minorities are only allowed to play villains or subservient Tonto-style sidekicks  

 

Here’s what you’re not getting:  When you decide that you will teach about Christopher Columbus or the early settlers but not about the millions of indigenous and African people they enslaved and massacred, you think you’re just teaching “normal history that’s for everyone”.  And think that the stories of those indigenous and African people are irrelevant and don’t count and shouldn’t be forced on everyone else  Only a totally clueless idiot would say that the centuries of slavery and oppression and segregation that only ended during the current baby boomer generation’s lifetime have nothing to do with how people of those groups live in today’s society 

 

 

So overrepresentation means something to you and so does underrepresentation. Would it be some kind of woke utopia if every identifiable ethnic group was perfectly represented in leadership position, but no more or no less? That seems kind of idiotic. How about just putting the best qualified people in positions of power, regardless of race?

 Slavery was one of the worst things ever to happen in the history of mankind and we can't undo the past.

You're also likely unaware that blacks were  not the only one's ever  to be enslaved.

Research Suggests White Slavery Was Much More Common (osu.edu)

HISTORY OF WHITE SLAVERY IN AMERICA | Rayfield Review News (therayfield.com)

White slavery - Wikipedia

Yeah there really was white slavery too .

[Nationalist]

On 2/24/2022 at 8:24 PM, BeaverFever said:

You’re not ruled by Asians. In fact Asians only enjoy success up to a point. Everyone wants the stereotypical Asian math and computer nerds on their side but we don’t see many Asian leaders, no Asian has come close to becoming president and they’re still vastly underrepresented in senior leadership positions 

 

History isn’t just stories  It’s the explanation of how things turned out the way they are. Conservatives want the traditional history, which mainly features white people and white heroes and Euro-centric narratives but not the narratives of minorities are only allowed to play villains or subservient Tonto-style sidekicks  

 

Here’s what you’re not getting:  When you decide that you will teach about Christopher Columbus or the early settlers but not about the millions of indigenous and African people they enslaved and massacred, you think you’re just teaching “normal history that’s for everyone”.  And think that the stories of those indigenous and African people are irrelevant and don’t count and shouldn’t be forced on everyone else  Only a totally clueless idiot would say that the centuries of slavery and oppression and segregation that only ended during the current baby boomer generation’s lifetime have nothing to do with how people of those groups live in today’s society 

 

 

Hang on there...I went to school in Canada and can tell you we were taught ALL CANADIAN HISTORY as it happened. That includes the creation of the Acadians, the relationship the colonists had with the natives and the relations with black folk.

You desperately try to create this alternative historical perspective and accuse white people of some nefarious warping of history. But in reality...while you scream and deflect...you also lie. It is the Libbies who are warping history in order to tear at the fabric of society and culture. They slip nonsense into their arguments like...

"When you decide that you will teach about Christopher Columbus or the early settlers but not about the millions of indigenous and African people they enslaved and massacre"

You are lying. We've always been taught these seedier parts of our history. 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Nationalist

[BeaverFever]

On 2/27/2022 at 10:47 AM, Nationalist said:

Hang on there...I went to school in Canada and can tell you we were taught ALL CANADIAN HISTORY as it happened. That includes the creation of the Acadians, the relationship the colonists had with the natives and the relations with black folk.

You desperately try to create this alternative historical perspective and accuse white people of some nefarious warping of history. But in reality...while you scream and deflect...you also lie. It is the Libbies who are warping history in order to tear at the fabric of society and culture. They slip nonsense into their arguments like...

"When you decide that you will teach about Christopher Columbus or the early settlers but not about the millions of indigenous and African people they enslaved and massacre"

You are lying. We've always been taught these seedier parts of our history. 

Glossing over them and telling them exclusively from the white persons POV is not teaching the topic. For example in the US, slavery is often taught with the narrative Great White Hero Lincoln emancipating the poor black wretches. In Canada, conflicts with First Nations are *at best* described as the FN being some noble savages standing in the way of progress and their own betterment because they were too backwards to understand what’s good for them.   The fact that so many people revealed that ”they had no idea” about residential schools and the missing kids who never returned home is evidence of that. 

[BeaverFever]

But back to the topic of this thread, another Republican pervert continues the GOPs long shameful history of destigmatizing rape (and also makes pro-Putim commnets)

 

'I tell my daughters, "if rape is inevitable, you should just lay back and enjoy it"': Michigan Republican slammed for comparing assault on his children to the chances of the 2020 election not being overturned 

'I tell my daughters, "if rape is inevitable, you should just lay back and enjoy it," so, that's not how we roll and that's not how we won this election.'

Two of the other five speakers were visibly appalled at the comment.

….Regan was also heavily criticized for appearing to sympathize with Russia's autocrat ruler Vladimir Putin over his invasion of Ukraine during another point in the livestream.

He said Putin 'understands the United States cannot be trusted to protect him against corrupt Ukraine, the money laundering capitol of the world, human and drug trafficking.'

…His candidacy made national headlines in 2020 when one of his daughters, Stephanie Regan, made a public plea for voters not to choose her father.

'[I]f you're in Michigan and 18+ pls for the love of god do not vote for my dad for state rep. tell everyone,' the teenager wrote in a now-deleted Twitter post on June 23, 2020, according to Business Insider.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10589893/amp/Michigan-Republican-slammed-comparing-kids-getting-raped-2020-election-fraud-theories.html

[BeaverFever]

Oh here’s another Republican rapist:

 

Republican candidate for Utah Senate charged with forcible sexual abuse

…Brandon Beckham met up with the woman, an acquaintance, to watch a movie that day, charging documents state. The woman told police that she walked out of the room and returned to find him in his underwear with a blanket spread out on the floor, according to the charging documents. He aggressively told her to give him a massage, she later recounted to law enforcement.

She agreed to massage him, but Beckham made additional demands, pulled her clothes off and touched her in an unwanted manner, the court records state. The woman told authorities that she asked Beckham to stop, according to the court records, but he said “she was being too conservative” and kept going.
 

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2022/03/08/republican-candidate-utah/
 

Ah rape the only time it’s ok for a Republican to complain about a woman being “too conservative”. 

Edited March 9, 2022 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

Annd we have more Republican crooks too:

 

Fictitious employees and kickbacks: What to know about TN's latest campaign finance scandal
 

With Rep. Robin Smith's charge for federal wire fraud Monday, she now becomes the second Republican lawmaker in recent months accused of taking part in illegal schemes involving campaign firms and money.
 

The charge against Smith, a Republican from Hixson, is connected to a shadowy political consulting firm with ties to former House Speaker and current Rep. Glen Casada, R-Franklin, and his former chief of staff Cade Cothren.
 

https://amp.tennessean.com/amp/9414512002

And I’m half tempted to start a whole new thread called “Red state shitholes”.  I would of course cover all the recent Republican legislative attempts at book-banning, GOP supporter book-burnings, The Republican states’ notoriously dilapidated schools that lag the rest of  the country, their contaminated drinking water, polluted environment, plus their attempts to replicate The Handmaid’s Tales with their abortion-banning and their legislative attempts to pass laws that would criminally teachers who teach “unpatriotic” historical facts to set up classroom snitch lines, and live full-time video monitoring of classrooms. Unfortunately all that would be full-time job because there’s just too damn much of it out there to catalog it all on my own. I would need to hire a couple of full-time staffers for that. 

[Nationalist]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Glossing over them and telling them exclusively from the white persons POV is not teaching the topic. For example in the US, slavery is often taught with the narrative Great White Hero Lincoln emancipating the poor black wretches. In Canada, conflicts with First Nations are *at best* described as the FN being some noble savages standing in the way of progress and their own betterment because they were too backwards to understand what’s good for them.   The fact that so many people revealed that ”they had no idea” about residential schools and the missing kids who never returned home is evidence of that. 

Know what?

You're full of it.

[BeaverFever]

On 3/9/2022 at 7:18 AM, Nationalist said:

Know what?

You're full of it.

“It” being the truth that you simply can’t stand. Get used to “it.”
 

Meanwhile Republicans in the shithole state of Florida just tabled a bill that creates a statewide list of banned books and places teachers under a gag order with criminal prosecution if they teach historical facts that make (white) people “feel guilty about their race”. Enjoy your fascist Putin-approved totalitarian shithole state. 

[BeaverFever]

In a follow-up to the 2020 incident of the Republican Attorney General of North Dakota who killed pedestrian in a (likely drunken) hit and run (and was never fully investigated because he’s the AG in a red state):

Recently his private text messages from the incident were released and unsurprisingly they joked that  “at least (the man killed) was a Democrat”.  The deceased was not active in politics but is listed in public records as a registered Democrat voter. Har-har-har. Funny right?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-dakota-attorney-general-jason-ravnsborg-got-vile-text-about-joe-boever-days-after-he-was-killed?source=articles&via=rss

Unsurprising vileness from the party of vile human beings  

Edited March 14, 2022 by BeaverFever