It Begins. . . Quebec and NYC to implement Vaccine Passports.

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Accountability Now said:

I would also suspect that case numbers might not be truly represented as vaccinated people will feel milder or no symptoms yet still spread it. So their number may actually be quite a bit larger than what is represented. To add to this, the PHE case numbers also resemble the hospitalization numbers in that back in June, the double vaxxed were only 7% of the cases but now make up close to 20%. Immunity is waning and that will be the same here. 

Of course, no one seems to talk about deaths anymore. I'm guessing its because the data doesn't work for the vaccination cause in that metric. 

The only metric that matters is Hospitalizations. And that number is going up and, at least in most of Canada, most of the people hospitalized are unvaccinated. If that swings to older vaccinated people then we'll be in Booster territory. Sounds like we'd be chasing our tail. But as you say, deaths are not really a huge issue in Canada. 

In the US, on the other hand, Average deaths are back above 1,000. 

Edited August 31, 2021 by Boges

[Boges]

37 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Also somebody was talking like they wanted people dragged out of their houses to get them jabbed.

If they could get that to happen and an adverse reaction caused say heart failure, as sometimes happens and the person died then in my opinion that's murder.

No one, I know, is calling for that. 

I think many people want to hedge against broad lockdowns again. It'll happen is we see ICU occupancy above 1000 (speaking to Ontario here). In BC and Quebec passports are already a reality. 

Businesses don't want to close down again. And if you look at numbers in Alberta, they could be heading in that direction again. 

The numbers will be there for everyone to see. If unvaccinated continue to lead Hospitalization, then we will see some sort of proof of vaccination. 

Many private businesses are already looking for proof of vaccination. They just want a more secure way/fraud proof way to prove it. Right now the receipt given in Ontario is completely forgeable. 

[Infidel Dog]

I'm noticing the media in Canada - CBC in particular - is really fond of telling you about a week's data - if it's the right week.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/unvaccinated-vaccinated-covid-data-bc-1.6151008

Even so, in BC for the week Aug. 10 to Aug. 16 they tell us 16% of the fully vaccinated representing about 3/4 of the total used for their figuring were hospitalized for covid.

CBC won't tell you this but other studies from other regions of the world that consider a longer period of time show the vaccine's effectiveness can diminish to 64% of its peak effectiveness after a few weeks.

And in both of these cases more study is required.

What we know for sure is you can get the vaccination and still get the virus. The chances of that increase with time so you're most likely going to want a booster.

Oh wait, did I say "want?" If jab-Nazis get their way their will be no choice. And mandates of all varieties go on forever...unless we revolt or something, I guess. But even that might not work. Ask Australia.

[Infidel Dog]

19 minutes ago, Boges said:

No one, I know, is calling for that. 

Have you met Argus and Citizen?

[Accountability Now]

20 minutes ago, Boges said:

But as you say, deaths are not really a huge issue in Canada. 

Sorry what I meant is that no one seems to be talking about the number of deaths. My point was leaning towards the fact that 60% of the deaths in England are double vaxxed. So if your vaccination rate is roughly 60% and your vaccinated death rate is 60%, doesn't that suggest that the vaccine has little to no effect on death?

Do you notice that the government agencies here in Canada don't show vaccination status on deaths? 

 

23 minutes ago, Boges said:

In the US, on the other hand, Average deaths are back above 1,000. 

They were above 3000 in the second wave. If they follow other countries then we will assume the death rate will be lower in this wave. If not, then one would have to question what makes the US different than other countries. First thing that comes to mind...general health. 

[Infidel Dog]

47 minutes ago, Boges said:

In the US, on the other hand, Average deaths are back above 1,000. 

Oh you like daily deaths as a demographic, do you?

Did you notice there were no deaths in Florida a couple days ago. They seem to change those stats after a couple days for some reason but for now that's what it is and curious enough, daily death rates have been plummeting lately.

I can't help noticing radical decrease in deaths started happening shortly after DeSantis announced he was going to make the antibody treatment that cured Trump available to Floridians.

Care to match that tendency against the stats of the selected Provinces and the particular week the CBC wants you to give priority to?

Edited August 31, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Accountability Now said:

Sorry what I meant is that no one seems to be talking about the number of deaths. My point was leaning towards the fact that 60% of the deaths in England are double vaxxed. So if your vaccination rate is roughly 60% and your vaccinated death rate is 60%, doesn't that suggest that the vaccine has little to no effect on death?

Do you notice that the government agencies here in Canada don't show vaccination status on deaths? 

 

They were above 3000 in the second wave. If they follow other countries then we will assume the death rate will be lower in this wave. If not, then one would have to question what makes the US different than other countries. First thing that comes to mind...general health. 

That’s misleading.  Most British adults are vaccinated.  The overall death rate has declined sharply and restrictions are lifted in most of Britain.  The vaccines have been very effective but some vaccinated are getting ill and a small percentage of them, almost all immune-compromised, will die.  What has to improve in Britain?  More people have to get vaccinated and vulnerable people will have to take extra precautions.  It’s advisable for vulnerable populations to get boosters.  That’s really it.  Restrictions should NOT be reimposed except in unusually highly unvaccinated areas, temporarily.  Eventually people with average health should probably get boosters, but I wouldn’t mandate them.

[Boges]

16 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Oh you like daily deaths as a demographic, do you?

Did you notice there were no deaths in Florida a couple days ago. They seem to change those stats after a couple days for some reason but for now that's what it is and curious enough, daily death rates have been plummeting lately.

I can't help noticing radical decrease in deaths started happening shortly after DeSantis announced he was going to make the antibody treatment that cured Trump available to Floridians.

Care to match that tendency against the stats of the selected Provinces and the particular week the CBC wants you to give priority to?

I'm curious too. 2-weeks ago they were recording 200 daily deaths. 

And their case total is still around 20,000 and we know Deaths are always a lag indicator of cases and Florida ICUs are quite full. 

Will the Anti-body treatment be free? Will it be covered by standard Health Insurance?

 

[Infidel Dog]

Here's links to the first 5 sources I got on 'Texas Monoclonal anitibody treatments from StartPage:

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/08/23/coronavirus-texas-antibody-treatment-regeneron-doctors/

https://www.hhs.texas.gov/sites/default/files/documents/doing-business-with-hhs/provider-portal/long-term-care/nf/how-request-monoclonal-anitbodies.pdf

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2021/08/30/dallas-based-startup-delivers-covid-19-monoclonal-antibody-infusions-on-demand

https://www.fox4news.com/news/state-funded-covid-19-monoclonal-antibody-infusion-center-opens-in-fort-worth

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibody-treatment-covid-19

 

I saw this out of the corner of my eye as I was going through them though:

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Regeneron, a monoclonal antibody treatment, is available for free from the state at a new infusion center in Fort Worth.

It’s the same treatment former President Donald Trump and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott received after testing positive for COVID-19.

 

[Infidel Dog]

I have a tiny interest in what Big Pharma is letting Google tell you about them if you want to try there. Not interested enough to check it myself. Try Googling 'Regeneron Monoclonal antibody treatment.' See what kind of nasty smears they have for us.

[Infidel Dog]

I was just going through those links myself. This had me shaking my head. Somebody's always going to try to make a buck off free stuff:

"CourMed, a health concierge startup business from the Dallas area, has been filling the need for prescription delivery since 2018, but now the company is ensuring that COVID-19 patients who may be immunocompromised and need monoclonal antibodies are able to get that infusion on-demand for about $600, while never having to leave home. By Tuesday that $600 price tag had increased to $1,000. This is done with the help of a partnering pharmacy and qualified nurse, who comes to infuse the cocktail. While the Regeneron cocktail treatment is free for Texans with a doctor’s order, the $1,000 is the price for the convenience of the in-home IV administration through CourMed."

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2021/08/30/dallas-based-startup-delivers-covid-19-monoclonal-antibody-infusions-on-demand

[Boges]

It's Here! 

https://www.cp24.com/news/proof-of-vaccination-will-be-required-at-movie-theatres-gyms-restaurants-in-ontario-1.5569180

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As part of the provincial government’s vaccine certification program, which was announced on Wednesday, all Ontario residents will be required to show that they received both doses of an approved COVID-19 vaccine at least 14 days earlier in order to eat inside restaurants, work out inside fitness centres, go to nightclubs, cinemas, theatres, strip clubs and casinos, as well as to attend concerts, sporting events, and other large, organized gatherings in indoor settings. 

Clearly just like Nazi Germany. ?

Oh and apparently there will be Medical exemptions. Thought that doesn't make sense. If you have underlying conditions that make the vaccine unsafe for you, you really shouldn't want to get COVID. 

[Boges]

32 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I have a tiny interest in what Big Pharma is letting Google tell you about them if you want to try there. Not interested enough to check it myself. Try Googling 'Regeneron Monoclonal antibody treatment.' See what kind of nasty smears they have for us.

Not really interested, I'm vaccinated. 

[Infidel Dog]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Not really interested, I'm vaccinated. 

So were these guys:

An Australian journalist has taken to social media after being diagnosed with pericarditis, or inflammation of the heart, due to the Pfizer vaccine.

‘Fully Vaccinated’ Congressman Troy Nehls Catches Covid, Experiences Symptoms

Fully vaccinated Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr. and his wife Jacqueline are both hospitalized after testing positive for COVID-19.

Fully ‘Vaccinated’ Melissa Joan Hart Blames Her Kids and Lack of Mask Mandates at School for Her Breakthrough Case

Fully vaxxed Sens. King, Wicker and Hickenlooper test positive for COVID

'Fully vaccinated' Southwest flight attendant, 36, dies from COVID-19 nearly two months after testing positive following trip to Hawaii, family say

Braveheart Actor Michael Mitchell Dies Six Days After Getting Third Pfizer “Booster” Shot for Covid

South Carolina Rep. Ralph Norman, Fully Vaccinated, Tests Positive For COVID-19

25-Year-Old Develops Myocarditis After Moderna Vaccine but Doctors ‘Downplayed’ Connection

Me,  all I can do is hope the Socialists in power in my Province don't listen to their corporate buddies in big Pharma and get us some monoclonal antibodies just in case.

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

So were these guys:

An Australian journalist has taken to social media after being diagnosed with pericarditis, or inflammation of the heart, due to the Pfizer vaccine.

‘Fully Vaccinated’ Congressman Troy Nehls Catches Covid, Experiences Symptoms

Fully vaccinated Rev. Jesse L. Jackson, Sr. and his wife Jacqueline are both hospitalized after testing positive for COVID-19.

Fully ‘Vaccinated’ Melissa Joan Hart Blames Her Kids and Lack of Mask Mandates at School for Her Breakthrough Case

Fully vaxxed Sens. King, Wicker and Hickenlooper test positive for COVID

'Fully vaccinated' Southwest flight attendant, 36, dies from COVID-19 nearly two months after testing positive following trip to Hawaii, family say

Braveheart Actor Michael Mitchell Dies Six Days After Getting Third Pfizer “Booster” Shot for Covid

South Carolina Rep. Ralph Norman, Fully Vaccinated, Tests Positive For COVID-19

25-Year-Old Develops Myocarditis After Moderna Vaccine but Doctors ‘Downplayed’ Connection

Me,  all I can do is hope the Socialists in power in my Province don't listen to their corporate buddies in big Pharma and get us some monoclonal antibodies just in case.

You, of course, would call this tactic anecdotal.

If I found reams of stories about how young people were dying from COVID even though the prevailing AntiVax messaging is that young and healthy people will be usually be fine. 

Regardless, the link where they're alleging a death has been debunked. 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/12/instagram-posts/no-evidence-actor-mike-mitchells-death-was-linked-/

But Politifact!!!!

This is why the Internet is ruining everything, no one can agree on what facts are actual facts. 

[Infidel Dog]

Actually, you'll be surprised to hear I do agree with you that the issue of comorbidities does call into question the true cause of the hundreds of thousands of adverse reactions to vaccines up to and including death. 

However here's something you won't want to hear:

Comorbidities also call into question every statistic on covid and its variants from A to Delta.

And the stats of vaccine adverse reactions from covid "vaccines" are much, much higher than those recorded from previous vaccines.

So there are most likely risks in both getting vaccinated and not getting vaccinated, don't you think?

Edited September 1, 2021 by Infidel Dog

[Goddess]

On 8/6/2021 at 6:58 AM, Boges said:

Or we can ban unvaccinated people from receiving critical care for acute respiratory illness. 

Ok.  

Let's ban overweight people from receiving critical care, too.  They shouldn't have gotten so fat.

Let's ban smokers from receiving any medical care, whether their issue is related to smoking or not.

Alcoholics?  Let's let them die, too.

Your new baby inherited a disease that makes him life-time dependent on the government for care?  Too bad.  You should have checked that out before you had kids.

Yes, let's really get this ball rolling.

[Accountability Now]

22 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s misleading.  Most British adults are vaccinated.  The overall death rate has declined sharply and restrictions are lifted in most of Britain.  

Sure we could break down deaths by age groups and then compare vaccination rates. If you have that info, then lets do it. The UK only goes by over 50 and under 50.  However, if we are going to get into age detail then we also need to get into comorbidity detail also since that is a major factor too. 

[Boges]

15 hours ago, Goddess said:

Ok.  

Let's ban overweight people from receiving critical care, too.  They shouldn't have gotten so fat.

Let's ban smokers from receiving any medical care, whether their issue is related to smoking or not.

Alcoholics?  Let's let them die, too.

Your new baby inherited a disease that makes him life-time dependent on the government for care?  Too bad.  You should have checked that out before you had kids.

Yes, let's really get this ball rolling.

Are there vaccines for those things? 

[Boges]

16 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Actually, you'll be surprised to hear I do agree with you that the issue of comorbidities does call into question the true cause of the hundreds of thousands of adverse reactions to vaccines up to and including death. 

However here's something you won't want to hear:

Comorbidities also call into question every statistic on covid and its variants from A to Delta.

And the stats of vaccine adverse reactions from covid "vaccines" are much, much higher than those recorded from previous vaccines.

So there are most likely risks in both getting vaccinated and not getting vaccinated, don't you think?

So you have "stats" for this that don't include VAERS? 

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

Are there vaccines for those things? 

Not the point.  The point is there are simple fixes for those things.

By your own reasoning, the people who do not watch what they eat and get obese, should not receive any kind of healthcare.

The question is:  Is that really what you want? Because that seems to be your line of thinking.  Or is is just with Covid that you feel some people should not receive healthcare?

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not the point.  The point is there are simple fixes for those things.

By your own reasoning, the people who do not watch what they eat and get obese, should not receive any kind of healthcare.

The question is:  Is that really what you want? Because that seems to be your line of thinking.  Or is is just with Covid that you feel some people should not receive healthcare?

Obviously that's not what's happening. 

But the alternative is a broad lockdown once Hospital capacity becomes an issue. 

OR!!!!!

Restricting people's access to non-essential indoor activities where infection is more likely based on vaccine status. Which is what's happening now. 

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Obviously that's not what's happening. 

But the alternative is a broad lockdown once Hospital capacity becomes an issue. 

OR!!!!!

Restricting people's access to non-essential indoor activities where infection is more likely based on vaccine status. Which is what's happening now. 

Randall Denley: Keeping the unvaccinated at bay won't aid the vaccinated (msn.com)

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Let’s face it: People want to see the unvaccinated get a kick in the pants, and here it is in the form of excluding them from any activity that could be remotely described as fun.

The passports are useless.  It's a proven fact that people who are vaxxed can still contract Covid and are still spreading it.  It's a proven fact that the vaccines are only lasting 4-6 months and boosters are needed.  How many?  No one knows. So a passport isn't a "one time and done" thing.  No one has mentioned any kind of expiry date on them.  Can you not get groceries if your passport is  more than 2 months old?  Nor do passports ensure that the person carrying the card, isn't carrying Covid.

None of it makes any sense.

 

 

[Boges]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Randall Denley: Keeping the unvaccinated at bay won't aid the vaccinated (msn.com)

The passports are useless.  It's a proven fact that people who are vaxxed can still contract Covid and are still spreading it.  It's a proven fact that the vaccines are only lasting 4-6 months and boosters are needed.  How many?  No one knows. So a passport isn't a "one time and done" thing.  No one has mentioned any kind of expiry date on them.  Can you not get groceries if your passport is  more than 2 months old?  Nor do passports ensure that the person carrying the card, isn't carrying Covid.

None of it makes any sense.

Stop using the talking point that the Vaxxed can be infected and spread it. It's annoying that this is what all the trolls online have used as their rallying cry. 

It's irrelevant because Vaxxed people are overwhelmingly not getting sick when/if they get infected. But Vaxxed people are. Not all, but with Delta, it's more likely. Hospitalization Stats include 90% non-vaxxed people. If numbers of infected continue to rise, the number of people Hospitalized will rise as well. Until Lockdown! 

The Passport will allow businesses like Indoor Dining, Gyms and Theatres to stay open even if numbers do climb.

IMHO the more vaxxed people that get infected, the better. It helps move us to an Endemic Virus. Most don't even notice. 

Edited September 2, 2021 by Boges

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Most don't even notice. 

Yes.  Most of the unvaxxed don't even notice either.