Does Canada harbour a lot of Communist sympathizers?

[Nefarious Banana]

Call it whatever you want . . . Marxism, socialism, communism, it doesn't really matter at this point. It's all a matter of degree . . . The fact remains that government has seeped into more and more of our personal freedoms and our right to choose.

Communists here in Canada?  You bet your ass there is . . . . and it's not so hidden anymore.  

[Michael Hardner]

29 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Communists here in Canada?  You bet your ass there is . . . . and it's not so hidden anymore.  

Yes, there are 3,905 of them.  Or likely around the same order of people who have seen a UFO.

When I was a kid, the federal government owned phone companies, railways, an airline, a trucking company, a satellite telecom, hotels.  And an energy company they bought.

Cuba just announced a small business initiative, allowing businesses of up to 100 employees.

So this is going in a different direction from what you think, I think.

[Nefarious Banana]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes, there are 3,905 of them.  Or likely around the same order of people who have seen a UFO.

When I was a kid, the federal government owned phone companies, railways, an airline, a trucking company, a satellite telecom, hotels.  And an energy company they bought.

Cuba just announced a small business initiative, allowing businesses of up to 100 employees.

So this is going in a different direction from what you think, I think.

Michael, your centralist viewpoint/eyes-closed utopia isn't relevant to a very large segment of Canada.  

4)  It's going in the direction I described  . . . . . 

You eat porridge for breakfast, I eat steak and eggs . . . . . "and never the twain shall meet."

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

1. Michael, your centralist viewpoint/eyes-closed utopia isn't relevant to a very large segment of Canada.  

2. You eat porridge for breakfast, I eat steak and eggs . . . . . "and never the twain shall meet."

1. Ok.
2. Let's check back: I just gave you 8 concrete reasons why the Commies are not, indeed, making ground.  Low number of Communists, six examples of businesses Canada has got OUT of and let the private sector manage, and Cuba changing course.

Your response this porridge/steak & eggs thing and telling me I have eyes-closed utopia.

My eyes are open and they see facts.  I told you 8 of them. 

I think we can move on, because I feel like I'm bothering you by knocking on your turtle shell...

[Nefarious Banana]

This country has taken a very hard lunge to the left . . . . and you are fretting about what it's been labeled as, nice deflection, as expected from you.

As mentioned before . . . it's all a matter of degree.

Carry on . . . .   

 

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

This country has taken a very hard lunge to the left . . . . and you are fretting about what it's been labeled as, nice deflection, as expected from you.

As mentioned before . . . it's all a matter of degree.

Carry on . . . .   

 

Please keep repeating your assertions in the face of the evidence I have provided.

Do not refute it, as that would signal you lack confidence in the weight of your pronouncements to the contrary.  To be honest, when you keep repeating over and over ignoring what I post it starts to convince me !  ?

[WestCanMan]

I don't think that a lot of people here would say: "I support communism", but they support communist-style forms of government with shinier names.

A small percentage of people support Che Guevera and others like that because they think that slaughtering capitalists sounds rad, and broke college kids love to say that they love commies, but no one with any money here openly supports communism.

[Nefarious Banana]

'Does Canada harbour a lot of Communist sympathizers?'

You say " there are 3095 of them" . . . . .  implying that the number is small.  Inconsequential in fact.  Where did this/your 'exact' number come from?  Taking for granted you realize the difference between a declared Communist and a Communist sympathizer. 

But again, . . . . perhaps you can come up with an irrefutable number and name for the Communist sympathizers in Canada.

Enjoy your porridge . . . 

[blackbird]

On 8/10/2021 at 5:06 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

lots of commies don't vote for the Communist party

You forgot already Jagmeet Singh said the Cuban (Communist) revolution lifted the people up.  That shows there is a certain Marist slant to the thinking of Jagmeet Singh, and his party.  How many people vote for that?  The NDP sometimes receives over 15% of the federal vote.  Add to that the Marxist sympathizers in the liberal party and you are up in the millions of Marxist sympathizers in Canada.

[Yzermandius19]

13 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

No, not back pedaling. I'll maintain that the book has nothing to do with Marxism. My concession to the gist of your point was an attempt to close out the conversation on whatever common ground we have.

you maintain that the book has nothing to do with Marxism while conceding that the book has everything to do with Marxism

yeah, not backpedaling at all

lulz

[jo_truck]

some say that soon Marxism will get one more chance to have more influence in the world 

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you maintain that the book has nothing to do with Marxism while conceding that the book has everything to do with Marxism

yeah, not backpedaling at all

lulz

Soviet Union != Marxism

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Soviet Union != Marxism

Soviet Union = Marxist

[OftenWrong]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

Add to that the Marxist sympathizers in the liberal party and you are up in the millions of Marxist sympathizers in Canada.

Let us not forget whom the Liberals dear leader admires, and the reasons why.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Let us not forget whom the Liberals dear leader admires, and the reasons why.

Can we stop it ?  You all are so focused on convincing yourselves that a pro-business neoliberal leader is Marxist, or that woke is Marxist that actual Marxism is on the rise...

[Yzermandius19]

32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Can we stop it ?  You all are so focused on convincing yourselves that a pro-business neoliberal leader is Marxist, or that woke is Marxist that actual Marxism is on the rise...

Marxism and Wokeism are Hegellian

Marxism is just the Hegellian dialectic applied to economics

and Wokeism is the Hegellian dialectic applied to culture

Trudeau is Woke

the Woke are on the rise

the crossover is obvious, the woke are referred to as commies for a reason

and it's not hyperbole

in many ways the Woke are even crazier than the Communists

they just haven't racked up the body count, yet

Edited August 12, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Nefarious Banana]

26 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Can we stop it ?  You all are so focused on convincing yourselves that a pro-business neoliberal leader is Marxist, or that woke is Marxist that actual Marxism is on the rise...

You seem unaware of the unrest and discontentment west of your beloved Toronto. That's ok. 

Have your porridge and go back to sleep Michael . . . . sweet dreams.  

 

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. Marxism and Wokeism are Hegellian, Marxism is just the Hegellian dialectic applied to economics, and Wokeism is the Hegellian dialectic applied to culture

2. Trudeau is Woke

3. in many ways the Woke are even crazier than the Communists, they just haven't racked up the body count, yet

1. Well they evolve from Hegel I would say.  But ok.
2. Like Nike is, yes.
3. We have the courts still.

[QuebecOverCanada]

On 8/11/2021 at 11:39 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Yes, there are 3,905 of them.  Or likely around the same order of people who have seen a UFO.

When I was a kid, the federal government owned phone companies, railways, an airline, a trucking company, a satellite telecom, hotels.  And an energy company they bought.

Cuba just announced a small business initiative, allowing businesses of up to 100 employees.

So this is going in a different direction from what you think, I think.

Father Trudeau had many acquaintances with the red regimes in the 1970s. Those who are flabbergasted by Justin's words on China in 2015, which are condemnable morally though, have to see our History into perspective. By the way, Justin said  he admired the 'dictatorship' of China, not the fact the country was Communist. Rather than being an intellectual that could be dangerous, I see Justin as someone who is not that bright, and has no real ideology whatsoever. If they seriously think on this forum that we drifted toward communism since the 1970s, while we privatized our economy but also liberalized our society, they are seriously wrong. 

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Can we stop it ?  You all are so focused on convincing yourselves that a pro-business neoliberal leader is Marxist, or that woke is Marxist that actual Marxism is on the rise...

Help help, I’m being repressed.

Stop what though, exactly? Pointing out the uncomfortable details?

Look, political words are unlike normal words in that their definition is not fully clear. And that their definition also evolves over time just as the political movements evolve. The classic definitions that you are standing on are out of date with todays, neo-marxism.

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

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1. Stop what though, exactly? Pointing out the uncomfortable details?

2. todays, neo-marxism.

1. Saying stupid things. It's not uncomfortable, just tedious and ridiculous. 3905 voted Communist in 2019

2. Right.  More Chicken Little stuff.  

[Yzermandius19]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Well they evolve from Hegel I would say.  But ok.
2. Like Nike is, yes.
3. We have the courts still.

1) yeah, that's what I said

2) yes like many corporations, Trudeau is Woke

more things being woke, is not a good thing

3) the courts are being filled with the Woke

most of them are already completely taken over

especially in Canada

they are mostly just a rubber stamp for the Woke now

this most recent case with the Doctor who the Woke tried to cancel

yet the courts stopped them, that is the outlier around here

not the norm

they are already forcing lawyers to make woke pledges, or they are not be able to hold the job

the Woke are aware that lawyers, judges and courts, could slow down their agenda, and they've accounted for that, and their influence in that area, is growing quickly, by design

if you think the courts can be counted on, particularly in the long term, to stop the woke's craziest shit, instead of enforce the Woke's craziest shit, that belief is misguided

Edited August 12, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

25 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1) yeah, that's what I said

2) the courts are being filled with the Woke

3) yet the courts stopped them, that is the outlier around here

4) if you think the courts can be counted on, particularly in the long term, to stop the woke's craziest shit, instead of enforce the Woke's craziest shit, that belief is misguided

1) No, you said they ARE Hegelian.  In philosophy, specificity matters.  I evolved from chimps but I am not a chimp.
2) OMG.  If you don't trust the system, then it's Invasion of the Body Snatchers.  The discussion devolves into paranoid imaginings very quickly, and it's not interesting to pursue.  Of course you will just point at me and shriek that I'm blind, that there are woke judges behind every bush yadda yadda.  Just point out the events and leave out the wide-eyed diatribes... it's kind of like 'filler' here.
3) Right.  The system worked and that doesn't comfort you, it just scares you more because it's not the norm.
4) Yeah, I trust the courts.

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Saying stupid things. It's not uncomfortable, just tedious and ridiculous. 3905 voted Communist in 2019

2. Right.  More Chicken Little stuff.  

Have no idea what youre on about today. If you don’t like it, it’s stupid? How is that a useful comment?

There is some truth to it. How much is debatable. 

These are criticisms of what people perceive as an attitude that is gaining ground in the public. We all know a little socialism is good. But its also like a drug, and there is a tendency for some people to want to overdo it. Then you got yer actual commies who encourage it by political subterfuge. 

Add in a little naivety about world history, and a little revisionism from those interests, and you got yerself a recipe for making marxism sound highly appealing to the new generation.

Neomarxism would be just like neoliberalism, co-opted the old handle and use it as a platform to catapult other ideas. The neo-political movements seem all about big, big government.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

1. Have no idea what youre on about today. If you don’t like it, it’s stupid?

2. How is that a useful comment?

3. There is some truth to it. How much is debatable. 

4. Add in a little naivety about world history, and a little revisionism from those interests, and you got yerself a recipe for making marxism sound highly appealing to the new generation.

5. Neomarxism would be just like neoliberalism, co-opted the old handle and use it as a platform to catapult other ideas. The neo-political movements seem all about big, big government.

1. No.  Thinking there are Communists coming is stupid.  I like a lot of stupid things.  This is not one of them.    Example: I point out the obvious (Trudeau is not Communist) and top of page 3 I gave a bunch of good reasons.  My discussion partner basically stepped over them to just repeat what he said.  Then you show up to say "hmmmm.... maybe these things are making you uncomfortable ?"

You are smarter than that.

2. I don't know.  Maybe you'll go "oh wow, you are right.  We should really stop cluttering the board with repeating dumb slogans and not responding to points, my bad"

3. Likely a tiny bit sure.

4. I'm reading stuff from actual Marxists, teaching and forming reading groups like it's the 1960s.  And it's not the woke dummies that people quote from FOX etc.  No actual Marxist would have even a bit of respect for Trudeau IMO

5. The thin edge of the wedge would be giant social programs, MMT and big tax increases on the wealthy.  Next would come nationalization, IP theft... who knows.  The ideas are already out there, they don't need catapults they just need a spark, the right leader, and the aging demographic to cling to their moribund politics I would guess.