Dougie93 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) or like Anthony Joseph Boneca Militia guy from the Lake Superior Scottish takes a bullet in the chest over the top of his body armour, charging into a compound, dies of his wounds a few minutes later an American Apache shows up to take the target out with a Hellfire missile of course Canada would never provide the troops with that sort of combat power all of America wishes we could have got there sooner to save Tony Boneca but we can't be everywhere at once, Canada stabs its troops in the back, we can't save Canada from itself Edited June 21, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: You really don’t get the seriousness of the threat the Taliban posed to the West or how oppressive a regime it was. ......... Iraq is a different issue and if you don’t know the difference I can’t help you. Unbelievable. Ask yourself the question. Why are they attacking the West - USA and allies ? Why not attack China - another superpower, Russia, or a myriad of other countries out there? Hey , maybe it has to do with the history of the US PR campaigns in that region (and the rest of the Wold) for many years. What would you say? And what exactly "different issue" was Iraq? You may look back at the justification for attacking Iraq, right after 9/11. This is the country Bush decided to invade in a "Shock and Awe" attack shown on the TV live like it was some sort of entertainment - people dying in front of everyone's eyes. Just to balance the images of those jumping to death from the CN towers. Yep, I am out of my depth....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, cougar said: Ask yourself the question. Why are they attacking the West - USA and allies ? Why not attack China - another superpower, Russia, or a myriad of other countries out there? Hey , maybe it has to do with the history of the US PR campaigns in that region (and the rest of the Wold) for many years. What would you say? And what exactly "different issue" was Iraq? You may look back at the justification for attacking Iraq, right after 9/11. This is the country Bush decided to invade in a "Shock and Awe" attack shown on the TV live like it was some sort of entertainment - people dying in front of everyone's eyes. Just to balance the images of those jumping to death from the CN towers. Yep, I am out of my depth....? the Taliban never attacked America the Taliban never had full control of Afghanistan they were in a desperate fight against the Northern Alliance in the Panshir Valley the Arab fighters at Tarnak Farms were foreigners backed by Saudi Arabia & the Pakistani ISI the Taliban had no control over them, AQ was running their own show in spite of the Taliban, not as their allies now the foreign Arabs have taken up a new flag, the Islamic State, and the Taliban are fighting them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 again, the Taliban was a group formed by Mullah Mohamed Omar what was happening was that the drug lords of Kabul were coming to the Madrassas the drug lords would kidnap the boys at the madrassas, force them to be sex slaves the Taliban was a militia which formed to protect the young boys from the drug lords they never had a quarrel with America, they never even thought about America, the Taliban fight was entirely local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the Taliban never attacked America the Taliban never had full control of Afghanistan they were in a desperate fight against the Northern Alliance in the Panshir Valley the Arab fighters at Tarnak Farms were foreigners backed by Saudi Arabia & the Pakistani ISI the Taliban had no control over them, AQ was running their own show in spite of the Taliban, not as their allies now the foreign Arabs have taken up a new flag, the Islamic State, and the Taliban are fighting them OK. According to our boots on the ground - Army Guy, he fought the Taliban to counter future hostile actions toward the West - possibly Canada. Doesn't it get confusing at this point? Edited June 21, 2021 by cougar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, cougar said: OK. According to our boots on the ground - Army Guy, he fought the Taliban to counter future hostile actions toward the West - possibly Canada. Doesn't it get confusing at this point? the hostile actions towards NATO only came when NATO stuck its nose into a local fight NATO foolishly decided that it had to back the drug lords in Kabul against the Taliban the media sold the Bushy propaganda that the Taliban were responsible for 9-11 but it's simply not true all AQ had in Afghanistan was Tarnak Farms, a tiny compound which they used as a training site but the actual attack against Ameirca came from Yemen the cell that flew the planes into the WTC, they came from Yemen the NSA was tracking them, they went from Yemen, to Indonesia, then on to the CONUS the failure was at the waterline, at the border of the USA, the NSA had to hand off to the FBI but instead of sounding the alarm, the FBI just sat on it, they didn't do anything about it the NSA did their job, it was the FBI who failed America the Taliban were never involved in any of this, they had no idea what AQ was doing Edited June 21, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 like for those of us Cold Warriors who are old enough, we've been tracking this war since 1979 Jimmy Carter started this war, kids, this shit was going down before Millennnials were even born the Taliban are a relatively recent event, again, in response to the drug lords who came to rule Kabul in the 90's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) Army Guy must know about "Man Love Thursdays" Bacha Bazi the raping of the young boys, pimped out as prostitutes by the drug lords that is the side that Canada chose to fight with the Taliban are the local men who could not abide this child sexual abuse, so they went to war against it they are brutal savages, but that's Afghanistan, woe be to Canada for sticking its nose into this fight Edited June 21, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 just imagine, if organized criminals started kidnapping your boys, making them into prostitutes what would you do ? what if some foreigners showed up and told you that they were backing these pimps ? what would you do ? I have no quarrel with the Taliban, it's not my fight, but I wish them good luck, fight the Islamic State, go Taliban go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 (edited) and once again, Donald Trump was right this whole Afghanistan operation was a misguided adventure incited by the Neoliberals Donald Trump correctly sought to end the war and get out, unlike Barack Obama MAGA, baby, go Trump go death to the Democrat Party traitors to the republic woe be to the Canadian idiots who side with the Democrats the Woke Democrats will burn Canada to the ground, wise up Edited June 21, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 Yes the Yanks backed the Mujahideen against the Soviets, but it’s not as simple as US meddling causing trouble. It’s religious fundamentalism fighting the Great Satan and the pilar of Jihad. Yes the stories of pedos and drug lords add to the complications. If the US had worked with the Soviets instead of against them, that probably would’ve helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Yes the Yanks backed the Mujahideen against the Soviets, but it’s not as simple as US meddling causing trouble. It’s religious fundamentalism fighting the Great Satan and the pilar of Jihad. Yes the stories of pedos and drug lords add to the complications. If the US had worked with the Soviets instead of against them, that probably would’ve helped. Mujaheddin just means any Muslim type who goes to war Mujaheddin is like saying Soldier of the Crown, it's not a monolith the Muj who fought the Soviets, that was not a monolith that included Pashtuns from the south and Northern Alliance non Pashtuns as well but once the Soviets pulled out, all those Mujaheddin went to war against each other the Taliban didn't even exist at the time first, Afghanistan melted down into a civil war, then the drug lords took control in Kabul after in this is post apocalyptic wasteland, those drug lords ruled the roost then they started going to the Madrassas kidnapping the young boys who studied there, forced them to be prosititutes then in the 1990's a militia formed to fight against this organized crime that militia was called "the Students" that's what Taliban means, the Students they are not my enemies, and it was folly for America to involve ourselves in this local fight if there is an enemy, that enemy is Wahhabism and that is not from Afghanistan, that was an invention of the Saudis in 1970's Edited June 22, 2021 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 bear in mind, this whole war started back in 1979 it was all about the Carter Doctrine the Carter Doctrine was just the Domino Theory from Vietnam repackaged for the middle east supposedly the Soviets were going to invade the middle east as the opening move of World War Three but really the Carter Administration was just playing games they wanted to pay the Soviets back for America's quagmire in Vietnam at the time, Afghanistan was absolutely peaceful, if a little socialist but the CIA started supporting these Mujaheddin, these savage hill tribesman, against the government in Kabul so the Soviets invaded in response to this, they took America's bait when the Soviets finally gave up however, America also turned away once the Soviets were beaten, America didn't care about Afghanistan anymore, and it melted down into a civil war long after this civil war destroyed Afghanistan, the Taliban were born, to fight the criminals who ruled in Kabul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Mujaheddin just means any Muslim type who goes to war Mujaheddin is like saying Soldier of the Crown, it's not a monolith the Muj who fought the Soviets, that was not a monolith that included Pashtuns from the south and Northern Alliance non Pashtuns as well but once the Soviets pulled out, all those Mujaheddin went to war against each other the Taliban didn't even exist at the time first, Afghanistan melted down into a civil war, then the drug lords took control in Kabul after in this is post apocalyptic wasteland, those drug lords ruled the roost then they started going to the Madrassas kidnapping the young boys who studied there, forced them to be prosititutes then in the 1990's a militia formed to fight against this organized crime that militia was called "the Students" that's what Taliban means, the Students they are not my enemies, and it was folly for America to involve ourselves in this local fight if there is an enemy, that enemy is Wahhabism and that is not from Afghanistan, that was an invention of the Saudis in 1970's Very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 32 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Very true don't forget, the Taliban started out as an American client back in 1990s because the Taliban were against the opium trade, America saw them as an ally in the War on Drugs the oil companies even courted the Taliban as their prefered rulers of Afghanistan, hosting them in Texas the Taliban never attacked America, the Taliban thought they were working for America, they had no knowledge of 9-11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 and I tell you right now, the Taliban will be allies of America again in the future because ISIS has moved into Afghanistan but the Pashtun Taliban don't actually like those Wahhabist intruders, the Taliban are fighting them once America pulls out, the Taliban will drop the issue with America, and go back to fighting the Arabs for America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted June 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Argus said: Canadians haven't even shown any interest in their OWN health care the last several elections. It's hardly come up in either federal or provincial elections, even as the public health care system has continued to deteriorate even before Covid. It's like we're in this bland mood of acceptance, shrugging our shoulders because we don't think any of the parties will do anything anyway. Decadence means complacency, apathy. Our own health care system are a joke. Not bad once you get into the system, but having a rationed health care system is a human rights disaster when not funded well. Our politicians swear an oath of allegiance and don't honour it. Their ethics is laughable. They're domestic enemies of the people they represent and unwilling to defend the country from our foreign enemies. Soon they could be fleeing the mobs running after them with pitchforks. Canada's Arab Spring. Our government departments are rotten from top to bottom, but it starts from the top, with the ministers. These aren't "honourable" leaders, they're careerist sociopaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted June 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 32 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: don't forget, the Taliban started out as an American client back in 1990s because the Taliban were against the opium trade, America saw them as an ally in the War on Drugs the oil companies even courted the Taliban as their prefered rulers of Afghanistan, hosting them in Texas the Taliban never attacked America, the Taliban thought they were working for America, they had no knowledge of 9-11 Well the Taliban gave them safe haven and after 9-11 refused to have them shut down within their country. They didn't want to play ball with America. Bombs away! Taliban and al-Qaeda both a bunch of Muslim fundamentalist nutjobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said: Well the Taliban gave them safe haven and after 9-11 refused to have them shut down within their country. They didn't want to play ball with America. Bombs away! Taliban and al-Qaeda both a bunch of Muslim fundamentalist nutjobs. you're a nutjob Graham, way crazier than any Talib I have way more respect for the Taliban than I do for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted June 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 11 hours ago, Dougie93 said: no reason to invade, occupy & try to rebuild Afghanistan into a liberal democracy by force of arms now you are being forced to turn it all back over to the Taliban, humiliated with tails between legs could have told you that was going to happen, back in 2001 Yup, mission with no chance of success. Failed from the start. Just get in, kill the al-Qaeda you can find, get out. And blow some Taliban to kingdom come to thank them for their friendship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Yup, mission with no chance of success. Failed from the start. Just get in, kill the al-Qaeda you can find, get out. And blow some Taliban to kingdom come to thank them for their friendship. whatever, Grahan you're a gutless coward you tell me where you want to meet in Ontario I will drive there and smash all your teeth down your throat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted June 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: you're a nutjob Graham, way crazier than any Talib I have way more respect for the Taliban than I do for you Is it the throwing acid on girl's faces for going to school? Or trapping their women in cloth cages? I never called you a nutjob, just a bit delusional, but that's pretty common these days. I don't dislike you, you're a good guy. I respect people with the balls to wear the uniform, unless they abuse their power. You're free to feel however you want towards me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Is it the throwing acid on girl's faces for going to school? Or trapping their women in cloth cages? I never called you a nutjob, just a bit delusional, but that's pretty common these days. I don't dislike you, you're a good guy. I respect people with the balls to wear the uniform, unless they abuse their power. You're free to feel however you want towards me. anywhere you want to meet, Graham tell me where to go I will drive there, I will come to you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted June 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: whatever, Grahan you're a gutless coward you tell me where you want to meet in Ontario I will drive there and smash all your teeth down your throat Why? Because I exposed your beliefs as fraudulent? Don't shoot the messenger... Gutless cowards throw tantrums and fight with their fists instead of their mouths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted June 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: anywhere you want to meet, Graham tell me where to go I will drive there, I will come to you STFU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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