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9 hours ago, AYanker76 said:

 

He is correct. 

 

Actually, no he is not correct.  And your pretty cool link there, even verifies that he is incorrect ---or I just missed the part where your link said GOVT acts on behalf of corporate interests in these cases.

Your link is about the famous, well-known law that allows for Public/GOVT use of land in terms of eminent domain.  If you go back to your link you'll find that it does not say, whatsoever, that land can be taken for reasons regarding private developer's profiteering like @Argus has wrongly claimed here.

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9 hours ago, AYanker76 said:

I understand that you feel have been let down by your leaders.  In no way is Canada perfect, nor is the U.S. all bad.

However, please also understand that "better" and "worse" are in relation to where one is, and I will be happier there.  When it boils down to it, the issue is safety.  Violence against people has become to normalized in the U.S., and that has taken its toll on our capacity for humanity.   

In your original post you seemed concerned with gov't overreach, surveilance, authoritarianism etc.  Now you're suggesting that it's about safety.  If you want to give up your freedom for safety, then yes, Canada is the place for you.

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8 hours ago, Hal 9000 said:

In your original post you seemed concerned with gov't overreach, surveilance, authoritarianism etc.  Now you're suggesting that it's about safety.  If you want to give up your freedom for safety, then yes, Canada is the place for you.

That depends how you define freedom.  Freedoms can conflict.  For example, one person’s freedom to act like a yahoo at a party can ruin the party for everyone else.  Many people would consider freedom from harm of greater value than the freedom to have the power to easily kill.  

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2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

That depends how you define freedom.  Freedoms can conflict.  For example, one person’s freedom to act like a yahoo at a party can ruin the party for everyone else.  Many people would consider freedom from harm of greater value than the freedom to have the power to easily kill.  

I get what you're saying, don't necessarily agree, but I see your point - however, none of his original points referred to safety. 

That said, freedom is the freedom to succeed or fail based on your own choices.  Freedom is not having the gov't regulate everything you say and do in the interest of safety.  There are places I don't go when in the USA, and there are places in Canada that I don't feel safe either - I simply avoid those places and then feel safe in either country.   

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On 5/3/2020 at 11:23 AM, Zeitgeist said:

American authorities have demonstrated that their weaponry will always be leagues ahead of their citizens’ and that they will put out any perceived threats from the citizens in short order.  The Canadian military cannot compete with the American one, nor should it try.  Canada can, however, screen threats along the border more carefully and provide a smart, high tech military deterrent to invasion, and not just through NATO.  I think Canada should have deployable nukes on Canadian soil, as was possible decades ago.

Canada is a growing country that will soon have a larger economy than Italy’s.  The ability to nuke multiple cities at all ranges is plenty deterrent.  We need the best gear to patrol our coasts in sea and air.  Trudeau is asleep at the wheel in that regard.  We had one of the strongest militaries by the end of WW2, probably the strongest on a per capita basis.  We let those assets go in exchange for the security of NATO, but that organization has been undermined while China and Russia escalate.  

"Canada screen threats along the border"? Have you been in a deep sleep for the past few years? Your dear comrade leaders could not even stop the over 60,000 illegal criminals from entering this pathetic country illegally for the past few years. Those so called illegal refugees are WALKING right on into Canada without being stopped at the border and being turned back to America. 

Canada is a growing country alright. Growing by leaps and bounds alright thanks to your dear comrade leader kid Trudeau who has allowed over 60,000 illegal criminal so called refugees walk right into Canada free of charge. Our economy is going for the shits thanks in part to the hundreds of thousands of new immigrants, legal and illegal criminal refugees that are costing the Canadian taxpayer's hundreds of billions of their tax dollars every year.  We have been invaded already by the 3rd world, and there appears to be no end in sight. You the people have allowed this country to lose all of it's assets to foreign incompatible cultural strangers. Way the go, fella.:unsure:

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On 5/4/2020 at 11:47 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

He can be censured or defeated by Parliament, or dismissed if he over-steps. That is not the position of a dictator. The government is in a minority position and a non-confidence motion will force an election. As it stands now, the new firearms regulations will likely have the support of the NDP, the BQ and the Greens, so in what way is he a dictator? Ownership of a firearm is a privelege granted by the Crown. It is not a right.

 

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On 5/4/2020 at 11:47 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

He can be censured or defeated by Parliament, or dismissed if he over-steps. That is not the position of a dictator. The government is in a minority position and a non-confidence motion will force an election. As it stands now, the new firearms regulations will likely have the support of the NDP, the BQ and the Greens, so in what way is he a dictator? Ownership of a firearm is a privelege granted by the Crown. It is not a right.

The law pretty much says that we the Canadian people have no right to private property. It was left out of communist Trudeau's Canadian Constitution and Charter of wrongs.  The government can seize any property belonging to Canadians at will at anytime if they want to. It is now only just a privilege to own anything in Canada. We now have only leftist liberal and socialist politicians who do not believe that any Canadian should have any rights or freedoms. Trudeau is a communist diktator. The kid is always trying to take or steal away our tax dollars and our right to freedom of expression and assembly. You have no rights living in Canada anymore. Wake up and smell the bloody Bolshevik coffee that is now brewing before it is too late for you to do anything about what is left of your few freedoms anymore. 

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On 5/3/2020 at 7:24 AM, AYanker76 said:

Hello, nice to meet you all.  I have been executing a plan to obtain my Canadian permanent residency and flee the states.  Recent events in the U.S. have accelerated these plans dramatically.  I am pressed to leave for the following reasons:

My goal is to get to a more democratic society and to sever myself from the jurisdiction of the U.S. government entirely, which I believe to be violent, unjust and decadent, at large.  It has always been in the back of my mind that Canada may not be far enough, as the U.S. has always been a latent military threat to Canada.  More importantly, the American populace is so large and so armed, that I question whether Canadian authorities would be able to control spillover from any destabilizing geopolitical events in the U.S.  Were such a thing to happen, you can be sure that the volatility that plagues American society would be shortly in tow.

While I commend you all for taking action to make your society safer & less prone to the mass shootings that are normalized, weekly events here,  I think banning assault weapons will also exacerbate this imbalance.  While reading a history article about U.S. military contingencies to invade Canada during WWII, I saw that American military officials did note and respect that the well-armed Canadian populace could put up a spirited resistance. 

Do Canadians take such a scenario seriously, and are contingencies for securing the Canadian border regularly updated? 

 

 

If you are a leftist liberal or socialist then you will want to move and live in Canada today. You have one of the greatest Presidents in the world and you want to leave America and come to Bolshevik Canada which is well on it's way to becoming another old Russian Bolshevik country. In Canada, we have the same deep state globalist elite of our own and close to what you have in America. No matter which country you want to live in you will never be able to get away from the problems that you want to leave behind. We also have political leaders in Canada who could careless about Canada or Canadians. Most them are power and control crazy, and appear to have quite the contempt for we the Canadian people. If you are looking for plenty of taxes to fork out, or you are looking for a massive bureaucracy, and you could careless about your freedoms, then come on board the Canadian sinking ship. We have no problem of taking you down with the rest of us. On this Canadian sinking ship there are no life jackets available. Just a friendly Canadian warning being given to you here. The grass is not any greener on this side of the border. ;)

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5 hours ago, taxme said:

The law pretty much says that we the Canadian people have no right to private property. It was left out of communist Trudeau's Canadian Constitution and Charter of wrongs.  The government can seize any property belonging to Canadians at will at anytime if they want to. It is now only just a privilege to own anything in Canada. We now have only leftist liberal and socialist politicians who do not believe that any Canadian should have any rights or freedoms. Trudeau is a communist diktator. The kid is always trying to take or steal away our tax dollars and our right to freedom of expression and assembly. You have no rights living in Canada anymore. Wake up and smell the bloody Bolshevik coffee that is now brewing before it is too late for you to do anything about what is left of your few freedoms anymore. 

He can be censured or defeated by Parliament, or dismissed if he over-steps.

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13 hours ago, taxme said:

If you are a leftist liberal or socialist then you will want to move and live in Canada today. You have one of the greatest Presidents in the world and you want to leave America and come to Bolshevik Canada which is well on it's way to becoming another old Russian Bolshevik country. In Canada, we have the same deep state globalist elite of our own and close to what you have in America. No matter which country you want to live in you will never be able to get away from the problems that you want to leave behind. We also have political leaders in Canada who could careless about Canada or Canadians. Most them are power and control crazy, and appear to have quite the contempt for we the Canadian people. If you are looking for plenty of taxes to fork out, or you are looking for a massive bureaucracy, and you could careless about your freedoms, then come on board the Canadian sinking ship. We have no problem of taking you down with the rest of us. On this Canadian sinking ship there are no life jackets available. Just a friendly Canadian warning being given to you here. The grass is not any greener on this side of the border. ;)

This, is beautiful.

 

I try to convince a few leftist members of this, whenever I mention which political party is a-okay with lightskinned illegal imms overrunning Canada's southern border.

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16 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

He can be censured or defeated by Parliament, or dismissed if he over-steps.

Who is going to censure the diktator? Socialist Singh? the socialist Bloc? The liberal conservative party? Get real, will you. The rest of the political party's are pretty much all in agreement with what ever this fool wants to do. There real enemy to those socialists and communists right now is the conservative PPC. It will be three more long suffering years under this globalist comrade so called leader. Enjoy your social distancing, and prepare yourself for the next fake pandemic hoax coming in the fall. It's going to be a dandy. Lol. 

Trudeau being a globalist and being anti-gun, he will never stop trying to take our guns away. But he can if he wants to try because Canadians have no rights to own property. All our property belongs to the state now, and that means our guns are government state owned property. But the kid has no problem with his security guards carrying guns, now does he? 

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9 hours ago, Tdot said:

This, is beautiful.

 

I try to convince a few leftist members of this, whenever I mention which political party is a-okay with lightskinned illegal imms overrunning Canada's southern border.

Has the border been shut down because of this plandemic yet? I heard that there are still many planes flying into Canada from China, and those passengers apparently are not being tested to see if they have a fever. I guess that would be seen as being racist, eh? I am curious to find out if there are still hundreds or thousands of criminal illegals still crossing into Canada every month from America who may be bringing with them many other diseases besides this China virus. 

But, if Trudeau is so anti-gun, why does he have his body guards carry guns around with them if his gun laws are supposed to be working? I guess that he does not believe that is anti-gun laws are really working, eh?  If Canada could ever get a real leader anymore, it will truly be a bloody miracle. Aw well. ;)

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7 hours ago, taxme said:

The rest of the political party's are pretty much all in agreement with what ever this fool wants to do.

So, what you are saying is that the parties in Parliament represent the over whelming majority of voters, every one except you and Max actually.

The Communist Party in the United States would have had to fold in the 1950's if it wasn't for the FBI undercover agents. They were the only ones who paid their dues. You have never actually met someone who has actually lived under Soviet communism. If they heard you being so glib about it, they would have set you straight. But then, you do love to provoke. That is what makes your posts so entertaining. If we all agreed with each other, it would be a dull forum.

A real Conservative is loyal to the Queen. If she wants my firearms, I will turn them in because that is what Conservatives do.

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On 5/19/2020 at 12:50 AM, AYanker76 said:

I understand that you feel have been let down by your leaders.  In no way is Canada perfect, nor is the U.S. all bad.

However, please also understand that "better" and "worse" are in relation to where one is, and I will be happier there.  When it boils down to it, the issue is safety.  Violence against people has become to normalized in the U.S., and that has taken its toll on our capacity for humanity.   

Yes and you are from Nevada. I got it.

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On 5/22/2020 at 8:44 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

So, what you are saying is that the parties in Parliament represent the over whelming majority of voters, every one except you and Max actually.

The Communist Party in the United States would have had to fold in the 1950's if it wasn't for the FBI undercover agents. They were the only ones who paid their dues. You have never actually met someone who has actually lived under Soviet communism. If they heard you being so glib about it, they would have set you straight. But then, you do love to provoke. That is what makes your posts so entertaining. If we all agreed with each other, it would be a dull forum.

A real Conservative is loyal to the Queen. If she wants my firearms, I will turn them in because that is what Conservatives do.

In Canada there is no real and true conservative party anymore. The conservative party that we have now acts more like a liberal conservative party. The PC party is pretty much politically correct and will go along with the status quo no matter what. The PC party practices the rules of liberalism and not conservatism. If Scheer were a real and true conservative leader than he would act and talk more like one. Max is a real and true conservative who can make Scheer look like a clone of Trudeau. If you think that what is going on today in Canada has nothing to do with communism than you will make a great communist comrade one day. We now have snitches in Canada. Snitches who are all to ready and willing to snitch on anyone who does not follow the China virus rules and bylaws. Snitching on people who do not practice safe distancing is something that I would never have thought would ever happen in Canada. They have plenty of snitches in China, North Korea and Cuba also, or did you not know that? Do you like seeing and having those scum snitches around? The signs are starting to appear all around you that we are now seeing and having communism slowly creeping into Canada but yet people like you refuse to read those signs. That is putting my freedom in jeopardy. 

I did get to know an Hungarian couple who told me all that I needed to know about what communism was all about. They were one of the lucky ones to have been able to escape and get out of communist controlled Hungary. And no one would be able to ever believe as to what ethnic group ran communism in Hungary. They knew who they were. Unreal and unbelievable indeed. 

Our rights to our freedom of speech and assembly have been pretty much taken away from us because of what appears to be a China virus exercise hoax. Personally, I do believe that social distancing(social engineering)is going to be around for a very very long time now. Our dear comrade leaders have already told us that there will be no more sports events, parades or large gatherings of crowds anymore for the rest of the year. That is not good at all for society, especially for our children and grandchildren. Everyone must be able to congregate with other people and socially touch one another. It's natural and a normal thing to do. Social distancing has now created a fear and panic in the toilet paper hoarding people that if they come to close to another person they will get the bug and may die. Some are even wearing masks when they try to pass us. What the hell? Why are they wearing a mask and still in fear of catching the flu bug. I have been out walking with my wife many times and I have watched many covidiots walk way around us to avoid coming into near contact with us. .

A real and true conservative will be true to their country and show more patriotism and nationalism than what is being shown today by our dear comrade leaders, the lying media, our so called health officials and so many Borg Canadians. I do not see patriotism in Canada anymore. But what i do see is just a bunch of Canadians who are all to willing to assimilate and become apart of the Borg collective. The only way to end all of this nonsense is to end social distancing now. Otherwise, we are all appearing to be great  little assimilated Borgs.  

If the Queen wants my rifle she will have to steal it from me. A real and true conservative will not give up their guns or rifles to anyone, and I do not think that any liberals will either. It is our property and it they do not belong to the Queen or our so called politicians then they should have no rights to disarm we the people. Our dear leaders cannot even stop criminal illegals from entering into Canada illegally. This is what they should be more concerned about. Protecting our borders from illegals rather than waste hundreds of billions of our tax dollars on useless and stupid gun laws. But sadly our dear leaders have no problem again with spending hundreds of billions of our tax dollars on illegal criminal so called refugees crossing our borders illegally. Our dear leaders can never get enough of wasting our tax dollars to try and make themselves look like a bunch of hero's. Personally, they look more like a bunch of buffoons instead. Just saying. ;) 

 

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2 hours ago, taxme said:

Max is a real and true conservative who can make Scheer look like a clone of Trudeau.

Max is polling at less than 2% even if the margin of error breaks his way. He could hold a national convention in a closet.

But keep up the fight. I believe even M. Bernier would see his duty to his fellow humans and do what he can to follow the guidelines suggested by the professionals.

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20 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Max is polling at less than 2% even if the margin of error breaks his way. He could hold a national convention in a closet.

But keep up the fight. I believe even M. Bernier would see his duty to his fellow humans and do what he can to follow the guidelines suggested by the professionals.

It's pretty hard to gain ground in politics when you have a lieberal political party that owns the media, and gets that media to mock and attack their opponents like Bernier.  Max is alone conservative salmon who has to deal with and try to swim and survive with liberal, socialist and communist sharks plus the bought off lying media to be able to try and get himself heard.  There is no room for a real and true conservative party in Canada anymore if the likes of comrade Trudeau or even lieberal Scheer gets their way. 

The Bloc leader in the last debates before the election asked as to why Bernier was in the debate? What an f'n nerve of thing to ask another candidate. Maybe someone should have asked that buffoon who wants to separate from Canada as to what he was doing in the debates. But know, that buffoon gets a pass once again as no one will dare question or challenge that separatist buffoon on anything. Quebec has become the Teflon Don province in Canada. No one must ever say anything negative about french Quebec. Quebec has become the sacred cow of Canada. 

If you like the way Canada is going today then keep voting for those sharks mentioned above. But if you want to see a better change for Canada and try to make Canada great again, then the PPC party is the one to vote for. As I have said already, can Bernier be any worse than comrade Trudeau or liberal Scheer or the other two losers like the NDP and the Greens. 

At least Bernier has already stated as to where he stands on the border or gun issues. If one is in favor of less immigration and would like to stop all of this illegal refugee nonsense going on and the elimination of the gun registry than Bernier is your man. If you want more legal and illegal criminal refugees walking into Canada illegally forever than vote for Trudeau or Scheer or the other two nut cases. The option is there, but will people like you go for that option? Something tells me that you will not be voting for Bernier. You no doubt like to keep things just as they are today. Everything in a bloody leftist lieberal and socialist mess, right? Shameful indeed. :unsure: 

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Taxme,

The benchmarch for Conservative leadership is Sir John A. MacDonald, not only the father of the nation, but the father of the Conservative Party. If he had tried to build the railway using M. Bernier's philosophy, we would be Americans now. 

Canadian governments are a reflection of the people. They are centre right or centre left but always centre. You and I are so far out in right field, we couldn't see the centre with the Hubble telescope. You will never see the PPC form a government and I will never see the Crown restored to the glory days of Charles II. As Sir Mick Jaggar so profoundly said, "You can't always get what you want,"

My main issue with M. Bernier is his ignorance of global warming. I realize you don't understand what is coming and that is why you support him. Prime Minister Trudeau, and CPC leader Sheer are also lacking the political power to address it. You could argue that the increase in Carbon in the atmosphere won't raise the global temperature but you would be wrong. The temperature of the earth depends on re-radiation of heat. Currently it is nearly in balance. But as the proportion of greenhouse gases increase, more heat is trapped. Due to the speed of accumulation of GHG's in the last two centuries, the temperature is rising far faster than in previous warm periods. As a result, the normal mitgating conditions are not able to slow it down and it may become self generating. You can demonstrate the effects of CO2 and Methane on re-radiation of heat using equipment found in any undergraduate lab. The results are predictable and measureable. The tragic irony is that the solution would bring long term prosperity for generations.

Global warming will force hundreds of millions of people to move north into Canada in a tsunami of immigration. No government will be able to stop it.

Guns: I own a half dozen large and small bore rifles and a revolver. However, being a law abiding conservative, I will obey the law. I registered all of my firearms and found the process painless and quick. I am tempted to turn them in anyway because, like all Canadians, I don't need them

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19 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

My main issue with M. Bernier is his ignorance of global warming. I realize you don't understand what is coming and that is why you support him. Prime Minister Trudeau, and CPC leader Sheer are also lacking the political power to address it.

The open secret about global warming is we can't do a bloody thing about it. Oh, I suppose if every country on earth got together and all agreed to immediately cut their carbon emissions we might, eventually, in forty or fifty years, start to slow the rate of warming, and then in a few more decades start to slowly lower it. But that's not going to happen. There are 195 countries on this planet and maybe two dozen are doing anything about reducing carbon emissions. And the rest are not going to. India, China, Russia, and all the rest of the third world are growing their emissions every year. There isn't even a plan for them to stabilize them for ten years.

And part of the reason they're growing their emissions is all the western manufacturing which has been transferred to them (along with the jobs) so that western countries can piously declare they're doing their bit to combat global warming.

You want us to radically increase carbon taxes? That will accomplish one thing. It will cause a bunch of manufacturing to shut down here and open up in China, India, Mexico, Bangladesh, etc. Same emissions, just from a different location. Of course, we'll lose a ton of jobs but hey, someone's gotta suffer so Trudeau can elevate that chin and strike a noble pose.

There is NOTHING we can do about global warming. Period.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Argus said:

The open secret about global warming is we can't do a bloody thing about it. Oh, I suppose if every country on earth got together and all agreed to immediately cut their carbon emissions we might, eventually, in forty or fifty years, start to slow the rate of warming, and then in a few more decades start to slowly lower it. But that's not going to happen. There are 195 countries on this planet and maybe two dozen are doing anything about reducing carbon emissions. And they're not going to. India, China, Russia, and all the rest of the third world are growing their emissions every year. There isn't even a plan for them to stabilize them for ten years.

And part of the reason they're growing their emissions is all the western manufacturing which has been transferred to them (along with the jobs) so that western countries can piously declare they're doing their bit to combat global warming.

You want us to radically increase carbon taxes? That will accomplish one thing. It will cause a bunch of manufacturing to shut down here and open up in China, India, Mexico, Bangladesh, etc. Same emissions, just from a different location. Of course, we'll lose a ton of jobs but hey, someone's gotta suffer so Trudeau can elevate that chin and strike a noble pose.

There is NOTHING we can do about global warming. Period.

 

 

Nuclear power both uranium and thorium.

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2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Nuclear power both uranium and thorium.

I'm all for that. Unfortunately all the people who are most devoted to fighting global warming are also violently opposed to nuclear energy. And besides, how much of the third world do you trust to operate nuclear power plants?

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

I'm all for that. Unfortunately all the people who are most devoted to fighting global warming are also violently opposed to nuclear energy. And besides, how much of the third world do you trust to operate nuclear power plants?

Then God help us. At least I won't be alive to watch our decendents barbequed.  As I've said before, the opposition to nuclear power, both uranium and thorium, is an indictment on our educational system. The people most devoted to fighting global warming are right in their goal but are lacking the knowledge on how to achieve is. The physists are a small part of the movement. China and India are working hard to start production on thorium LIFTR reactors. Lets hope it is India that gets there first.

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