French Patriot Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 4/12/2020 at 3:56 PM, taxme said: A good question that needs answering is just where did this being come from? Who created this being? Some intelligent person said that god was invented by the first con man who met the first fool. Regards DL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 4/12/2020 at 4:05 PM, taxme said: I cannot see as to how anyone can make heads or tails from what they have read in the bible. It's all pretty much confusing to me. The Noah's Ark story is really unbelievable. The job handed to Noah by some God like being had to be one hell of a make work project for him to have to try and complete. And trying to keep all those predators away from the prey had to be quite the task. And imagine the food that had to be collected for all those animals and birds. He must of maxed out on all his credit cards, eh? Lol. I hear you. If the bible is read literally, it become garbage. If read the way a Gnostic Christian reads it, it is gold as it is a consolidation of many thinking systems that have been consolidated within it. It is even better and more understandable if some of the ancient books that were rejected are read. The older the version of the scripture, before all the adulteration and forgeries were written, the better. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 4/12/2020 at 4:44 PM, taxme said: I agree. Let whoever wants to believe in something let them believe in it. Would you like to be left to believe lies or poor information that cause you to have a poor moral outlook on many things? Especially if what you believe causes a lot of harm to a lot of people? Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdot Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, French Patriot said: god is a genocidal prick. Yes thanks for posting this reminder that you did not publish this thread to exchange beautiful ideas which help to understand God, you published this harlequinade to help undermine God. Edited April 13, 2020 by Tdot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 19 hours ago, Tdot said: There should be a law against atheists making bizarre, whimsical claims. lol Your claim I quoted is simply not based in logic since You have no answers for what created man, and woman, plus the two (2) perfectly-fitting, procreating, organs placed at center of each gender's core, known as genitalia. You have no answers for the brilliance of the human mind, exclusively, above all other organisms on this planet. You have no proofs of the, just by chance, that this planet called Earth has stayed on this same perfectly rotating axis and course around the sun for about 6,000 years, at least, as even veering so much as a few miles off of this same 6,000 year old course ---will cause every oxygen-breathing organism to perish immediately. You have no answers for how those stars got there, we see in our telescopes, when we remind ourselves that Mankind will never make a machine which can take us that far ---although some force, already hung out over there in order for those stars to get there. To say that ---- God did it, --- is a lie. Prove me wrong by telling us how you know this as a fact. How did you access god to find out? Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 19 hours ago, Tdot said: Religious persuasion hath made no bizarre whimsical claims, ever, just as long as You have no answers for what created man, and woman, plus the two (2) perfectly-fitting, procreating, organs placed at center of each gender's core, known as genitalia. You have no answer as to why men have nipples. That is god going, oops. LOL. Are you this big of a fool, or are you an atheist with nothing better to do? Regards DL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 8 hours ago, betsy said: They may not know the meaning of the terms "good" and "evil"......................but surely they instinctively knew they should obey what God had told them NO TO DO! God even told them the consequence of doing what He told them not to do. They instinctively knew they should do as God had instructed (an instinct to what is right)...................... otherwise, why did it have to take the serpent to tempt and trick Eve into disobedience? They were doing pretty well staying away from that tree (as God had instructed), until the devil came along. Genesis 2 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” Adam and Eve had the free will to do what God had instructed, or not. Obey, or disobey. You obviously don't understand the Scriptures. What more can I say? You are adding to the story and your bible tell you not to do so. Regardless, if A & E had instincts, as you added to scriptures, then why did they not use them to reproduce way back in Gen 1 when god told them to do so? Why did they not even know they were naked and able to reproduce until their intellectual and moral eyes were opened, after they ate of knowledge of good and evil? Why did god ignore that disobedience tell gen 3? He gave instant punishment in Gen 3, why not in Gen 1? Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, Tdot said: Yes thanks for posting this reminder that you did not publish this thread to exchange beautiful ideas which help to understand God, you published this harlequinade to help undermine God. How can you understand god without understanding why he used genocide and infanticide? Would you ignore god's best attributes when trying to understand him? If not, why the double standard and ignore his worst attributes? The only reason, I think, is that you are a moral coward. If not, give a reasoned reply, if such is possible. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 hours ago, betsy said: You really said there is no universe? Before there was one. There is now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 hours ago, betsy said: No, life doesn't have to be hard all the time. Why do you ask that? It was a rhetorical question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdot Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 hour ago, French Patriot said: How can you understand god without understanding why he used genocide and infanticide? Would you ignore god's best attributes when trying to understand him? You might suffer from grave mental disabilities, if you have psyched yourself into thinking you fairly attempted to understand God here where you posted a bunch derogatory terms and offensive language and you were namecalling God. God never once name-called you and God never made offensive remarks about you and God never extended derogatory terms at you ---but you did all of those things to God here, and also to some of us believers in God. So yes, you need to take a long look at the insanity which you embody here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdot Posted April 13, 2020 Report Share Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, French Patriot said: You have no answer as to why men have nipples. lol ... oh I don't know ... maybe it's the same reason why women have mustaches? ... lol ... and if women can have mustaches and women can have hairy legs and hairy backs? plus since women can have throats with no Adams' Apple in it ---why can't men have chest nipples/tits/a bosom with no milk in it? ROFL @ how men with nipples, does not change how only women can bear children. Edited April 13, 2020 by Tdot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, French Patriot said: You are adding to the story and your bible tell you not to do so. Regardless, if A & E had instincts, as you added to scriptures, then why did they not use them to reproduce way back in Gen 1 when god told them to do so? I am not adding to the story! Lol. You mean to say you just take things as written without any REFLECTION or CONTEMPLATION? Hahahaha Like I've said before - reading the Bible isn't like reading Dick and Jane! Lol. Okay Frenchy, where does it say in the Bible that Adam and Eve had disobeyed God BEFORE being tempted by the devil? NOWHERE! Therefore, we can safely say that they were doing fine and had always followed God's instructions! WHY? I mean......why follow God's instructions? BECAUSE, whether they're conscious of it or not, they had the instinct that obedience to God is right....after all, God did say what the consequence was of eating from that tree! Genesis 3 3 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” 2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” If you're warned of a terrible consequence by someone you trust, wouldn't you think it only right to heed that warning? Adam and Eve may not have heard of the term called, "right," and they may not know its definition - but they were doing it. Thus, they'd never disobeyed God until that fateful day. Quote Why did they not even know they were naked and able to reproduce until their intellectual and moral eyes were opened, after they ate of knowledge of good and evil? They didn't know what being "naked" is! Lol. How would they know about clothings? Who can they compare themselves with if it's just the two of them - and they're both naked? Doh? They were innocent like little children! Quote Why did god ignore that disobedience tell gen 3? He gave instant punishment in Gen 3, why not in Gen 1? Edited April 14, 2020 by betsy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, French Patriot said: You have no answer as to why men have nipples. That is god going, oops. LOL. Nope. That is merely people like you who think it's an "oooops"............being quite ignorant. Quote The creation model provides a much better explanation for the presence of nipples in males. Male nipples are not a vestige of evolution but are instead a vestige of embryology. They in no way diminish the abilities of the creator God, but are actually another example of His wisdom. Nipples in males are actually an evidence of “design economy.” Very early in their maturation, male and female human embryos are essentially the same. All these embryos have structures that will ultimately form the defining physical characteristics of male and female. In the early stages of development, all embryos have both the Wolffian duct and the Mullerian ducts, for instance. Under the influence of a Y chromosome, the Wolffian system develops into the internal and external structures of male anatomy, and the Mullerian ducts regress. Conversely, in the absence of a Y chromosome, the Wolffian system regresses considerably, and the Mullerian system develops to its full potentials, forming many of the female anatomical structures. It should be noted that male nipples are not useless, as has been suggested. They are very sensitive and are a source of sexual stimulation. Further, to characterize them as vestigial is problematic, as they are fully vascularized and have more than adequate nerve supply. Why would this be so if they were, in fact, a worthless by-product of our evolutionary ancestry? Far from being a problem for creationists, the presence of nipples in males is actually another example of the wisdom and creativity of the God we serve. It is, in fact, the evolutionists who have a problem with this issue, as they can provide no reason for the existence and persistence of male nipples in an evolutionary scenario. https://answersingenesis.org/human-body/vestigial-organs/why-do-men-have-nipples/ Quote The other reason that men have nipples is based on efficiency of design. The same principle that explains unused features in many modern automobiles explains the similar design of male and female breasts. When purchasing a car, you will notice there are often several different options available for the same model. A higher price tag provides additional features. Those features typically add switches, buttons, or dials to the dashboard. More basic models without the advanced features don’t need the extra switches and buttons, so it would be understandable if basic models were built without the extra (unused) holes in the dashboard. However, manufacturing different dashboards for the same model of car would be very inefficient. Making two, three, or fifty different dashboards in order to accommodate all the possible combinations of features would require two, three, or fifty different streams of production. Instead of multiplying the size and expense of dashboard production, it’s more efficient to simply design one dashboard that can accommodate all possible features. For those models with fewer options, unused spaces on the dash can be plugged with blank caps. Biologically speaking, this is why men have nipples even though men don’t produce milk. God designed both sexes with a feature only one needs for milk production. Men have nipples for two reasons: a single chest design makes the genetic code simpler, more efficient, and less prone to error; and nipples are an aid to sexual pleasure. God’s design of the human body is wise beyond imagination (Psalm 139:14). https://www.gotquestions.org/why-do-men-have-nipples.html God has given mankind an incentive to procreate - by having us enjoy sex through various stimulations! We're meant to enjoy sex with our spouse! Edited April 14, 2020 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marocc Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, betsy said: after all, God did say what the consequence was of eating from that tree! In a confusing way. Trinitarian logic makes all humans immortal. 28 minutes ago, betsy said: Men have nipples for two reasons: a single chest design makes the genetic code simpler, more efficient, and less prone to error; and nipples are an aid to sexual pleasure. God’s design of the human body is wise beyond imagination (Psalm 139:14). God gave man nipples so the genetic code would be simpler? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marocc Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 14 hours ago, French Patriot said: If not, why the double standard and ignore his worst attributes? الْحَكَمُ AL-HAKAM The Judge, The Giver of Justice Maybe you mistake it as bad because you know you will be subject to it and the consequences to you personally seem negative. "The One and Only true Judge and always delivers justice in every situation. He is the One whose judgments and decrees are never over-turned and He Who makes the final decision of the nature of all matters. He is the One who arbitrates all disputes." https://99namesofallah.name/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Marocc said: God gave man nipples so the genetic code would be simpler? Isn't it simpler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 16 hours ago, French Patriot said: How can you understand god without understanding why he used genocide and infanticide? You should ask yourself: How can you understand God without understanding the Bible! Review all the topics you've created that are Bible-related! They all tanked! They all achieved the same thing: they showed your ignorance of the Scriptures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky tuscadero Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 21 hours ago, Tdot said: Yes thanks for posting this reminder that you did not publish this thread to exchange beautiful ideas which help to understand God, you published this harlequinade to help undermine God. I learned a new word today, thank you. halequinade - that part of a pantomime in which the harlequin and clown play the principal parts French Patriot is an appropriate choice of name considering this and other topics in this sub-section. Did God make the French slaughter over 175 000 men, women and children in the French Revolution? What were, and are, the fruits of that revolution? Is it not enduring ignorance coupled with a false air of superiority (there is definitely an 'air', but it is not superiority, it is body odor, feces and urine)? Cleanliness is next to Godliness, and the French, having 'freed' themselves from God now wallow in their own spiritual and physical filth. Quote Twelve "infernal columns" commanded by General Louis-Marie Turreau were ordered to kill everyone and everything they saw. Thousands of people -- including women and children -- were massacred in cold blood, and farms and villages torched. In the city of Nantes, the Revolutionary commander Jean-Baptiste Carrier disposed of Vendeean prisoners-of-war in a horrifically efficient form of mass execution. In the so-called "noyades" -mass drownings -- naked men, women, and children were tied together in specially constructed boats, towed out to the middle of the river Loire and then sunk. When it was over, French General Francois Joseph Westermann penned a letter to the Committee of Public Safety stating: "There is no more Vendee... According to the orders that you gave me, I crushed the children under the feet of the horses, massacred the women who, at least for these, will not give birth to any more brigands. I do not have a prisoner to reproach me. I have exterminated all." Historians believe that around 170,000 Vendeeans were killed in the peasant war and the subsequent massacres -- and around 5,000 in the noyades. link 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 8 hours ago, betsy said: Therefore, we can safely say that they were doing fine and had always followed God's instructions! Except to reproduce way back in Gen 1. If disobeying god was so bad, why did god ignore that disobedience? 8 hours ago, betsy said: If you're warned of a terrible consequence by someone you trust, wouldn't you think it only right to heed that warning? Can a consequence be thought of as good or evil when one does not know of anything that is good or evil before learning of it from the tree of knowledge? No. 8 hours ago, betsy said: They didn't know what being "naked" is! That is what your scriptures say. You are so busy trying to look bright, that you look dim. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 8 hours ago, betsy said: “design economy.” Men are the economy model. Best laugh I had all day. God needed a discount model. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Marocc said: الْحَكَمُ AL-HAKAM The Judge, The Giver of Justice Maybe you mistake it as bad because you know you will be subject to it and the consequences to you personally seem negative. "The One and Only true Judge and always delivers justice in every situation. He is the One whose judgments and decrees are never over-turned and He Who makes the final decision of the nature of all matters. He is the One who arbitrates all disputes." https://99namesofallah.name/ How do you know his decrees are never overturned? Who has tried and failed? Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 5 hours ago, betsy said: You should ask yourself: How can you understand God without understanding the Bible! Review all the topics you've created that are Bible-related! They all tanked! They all achieved the same thing: they showed your ignorance of the Scriptures! You profess to be a Christian, and instead of loving me, one your perceive as your enemy, you curse me. You must be one of the more advanced Christians. You are so unlike Christ. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Patriot Posted April 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 56 minutes ago, pinky tuscadero said: What were, and are, the fruits of that revolution? A failed revolution due to insufficient planning for the future in France, which showed other countries what not to do, when they embraced the notions of democracy for the world, and have it embrace the principles of Liberty, Fraternity and Equality. You would give that up you pathetic piece of human garbage? The French, even now with laïcité, do not mind showing the rest of the world how countries should be run to maximize the Liberty, Fraternity and Equality of all. Even stupid ass holes like you. Regards DL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinky tuscadero Posted April 14, 2020 Report Share Posted April 14, 2020 Yup! No need for God here, you are, unfortunately, like 99% of all the French I have ever met. You are very angry and dark. Why would a 'fictitious being' cause you such great consternation? Do you have the same visceral reaction to Santa Claus or the Easter bunny? Enjoy your fruits. Here is a nice scripture for you to ponder: But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man. Matthew 15:18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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