The Coronavirus

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Or simply cleaned up, but knowing what everyone knew or suspected before this, why did the US still give the WHO $500 million with no apparent checks balances or oversight than you might expect from a team of 5 year old janitors?

 

Do whatever you want to do with it....just don't expect the U.S. to pay for it.

I have already posted several checks and reports from previous WHO fiascos....China wins.

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

You're suggesting America invested $500 million in the WHO and then dispatched kids to keep an eye on things?  BC_2007 bought the suggestion America got a bunch of janitors for its troubles so yeah I can see how Trump would get sucked in too, especially if all the Americans at the WHO were 5 year old janitors.

I'm suggesting that the US invested $500M in the WHO and they fully expected them to be some kind of World Health Organization, not a pro-pandemic organization. 

I'm saying that they resisted the appointment of Tedros for good reasons, but the whole UN is a farce. 

I already told you that Trump didn't get sucked in by the WHO, the evidence is clear, and that Trudeau did get sucked in by them, and no one was surprised by that. For some reason you think that makes Trudeau the smart one. That's not surprising either in light of all that you've written here.

We all know that even the US can't force China to allow American doctors and scientists access. Just like China couldn't force their doctors and scientists into the US. This is basic.

Why do I have to explain so many things to you, over and over, that most little kids could figure out for themselves? 

[bush_cheney2004]

Dr. Tam is feeling the heat now.....woulda..shoulda...coulda.

Amazingly:

 

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She also said the closure of the Canada/U.S. border did not happen sooner because it wasn't part of the government's pandemic preparedness plan.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/theresa-tam-could-have-acted-sooner-1.5546819

 

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'm suggesting that the US invested $500M in the WHO and they fully expected them to be some kind of World Health Organization, not a pro-pandemic organization. 

Despite all the suspicion and mistrust America had when they gave it to them?  Massive fail.

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I'm saying that they resisted the appointment of Tedros for good reasons, but the whole UN is a farce. 

Which has nothing to do with all the Americans at the WHO on Dec 31st 2019.  You're a hyper-partisan right wing conservative so of course you think the UN is a farce and so did Trump but he parted with $500 million anyway.

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I already told you that Trump didn't get sucked in by the WHO, the evidence is clear, and that Trudeau did get sucked in by them, and no one was surprised by that. For some reason you think that makes Trudeau the smart one. That's not surprising either in light of all that you've written here. 

We all know that even the US can't force China to allow American doctors and scientists access. Just like China couldn't force their doctors and scientists into the US. This is basic.

Its also completely irrelevant to the issue of the American's in the WHO.

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Why do I have to explain so many things to you, over and over, that most little kids could figure out for themselves?

What do you expect when you're asking people to figure out this?

 

[Rue]

Try a bat cave eyeball, or a wet market not your bed room.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Despite all the suspicion and mistrust America had when they gave it to them?  Massive fail.

 

Don't hate on the people smart enough to cut them off now, after there's finally enough evidence against them. Hate on the people who are still too stupid to see the need for an investigation.

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Which has nothing to do with all the Americans at the WHO on Dec 31st 2019.  You're a hyper-partisan right wing conservative so of course you think the UN is a farce and so did Trump but he parted with $500 million anyway.

The UN is a farce. Just look who sits on the panels for women's rights, human rights, etc. It's a huge joke. 

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Its also completely irrelevant to the issue of the American's in the WHO.

I was pointing out that, if you were thinking that Trump should have gotten lots of info about covid from Americans in the WHO, you'd be incorrect because the Chinese covered up covid and blocked the WHO from investigating properly. Shoulda been obvious but I guess I need to go into a bit more painstaking detail for you, as if it ever even helps.

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What do you expect when you're asking people to figure out this?

Simple things dude. WHO bad, investigation needed, Trudeau useless at best... Things that a goldfish would understand if it was close enough to the tv. Things that libs can be taught if you have the time and patience. 

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I was pointing out that, if you were thinking that Trump should have gotten lots of info about covid from Americans in the WHO, you'd be incorrect because the Chinese covered up covid and blocked the WHO from investigating properly.

Yes, everyone is aware of the fact that China covered up the initial outbreak, the evidence for that is irrefutable. There is no evidence however that the WHO didn't tell Trump everything it knew or that the Americans in the WHO were lying or complicit or ignorant of the WHO spreading the virus further because it just didn't happen.

But I get it. Trump is to you as God is to Betsy and Trudeau is Satan. Have it your way. Over and out.

 

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Yes, everyone is aware of the fact that China covered up the initial outbreak, the evidence for that is irrefutable. There is no evidence however that the WHO didn't tell Trump everything it knew or that the Americans in the WHO were lying or complicit or ignorant of the WHO spreading the virus further because it just didn't happen.

But I get it. Trump is to you as God is to Betsy and Trudeau is Satan. Have it your way. Over and out.

WTF are you even replying to now? Can you show me where I said that the WHO was withholding info from Trump? Look back...

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I already told you that Trump didn't get sucked in by the WHO, the evidence is clear, and that Trudeau did get sucked in by them, and no one was surprised by that. For some reason you think that makes Trudeau the smart one. That's not surprising either in light of all that you've written here. 

The WHO gave the entire world the worst advice possible.

WHO: "No H2H, no need for travel bans, masks are bad."

Trudeau: "Mange, mange, mange....COPY AND PASTE THAT, BITCH!"

"Dr" Tam: "Yes sir m'lord sir. Way ahead of you sir. I'm an actual Dr., I always copy and paste what the WHO says."

Trump: "GFYS. Not buying it. I'm banning travellers who have been to China within the past 14 days."

WHO: "That's racist!"

Trudeau: "That's racist!"

Pelosi, 4 weeks later: "Hug as many people as you can in Chinatown."

Trudeau 42 days after the travel ban: "We still haven't done anything to slow down the coronavirus from getting into Canada. Travel bans are still racist."

Trudeau 3 days later: "I'm shutting down international travel from everywhere, because you know that it's just as important to stop people from Greenland as it is from Italy and China. Oh, and also, Canadians can't even walk in outdoor parks next week. Because it makes total sense that people could fly in from China this morning and waltz through the crowded airport, and Canadians can't even walk outside next week."

Truth, with the benefit of hindsight, for people who were too dumb to notice two months ago: The WHO was 100% wrong about every piece of advice they gave. They are the main reason why there's a global pandemic. Thank god Trump didn't take their advice. If Trudeau acted quicker, like Trump did, he could have saved Canadians' lives. 

Trump: "I'm stopping funding to the WHO, pending an investigation into why every piece of advice they gave was wrong."

Eyeball. "Trump needs to be investigated for not taking the bad advice from the WHO. Trudeau does not need to be investigated for following the worst advice in the history of medicine. Anyone who thinks that Trump did better than Trudeau is delusional."

 

Eyeball - even with the benefit of hindsight you can't understand things that I knew two months ago. You should be asking me questions, not beaking off like a punk kid.

[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

WTF are you even replying to now? Can you show me where I said that the WHO was withholding info from Trump? Look back...

You've been saying the following is bullshit since the day I posted it.

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A number of CDC staffers are regularly detailed to work at WHO in Geneva as part of a rotation that has operated for years. Senior Trump-appointed health officials also consulted regularly at the highest levels with the WHO as the crisis unfolded, the officials said.

The presence of so many U.S. officials undercuts President Trump’s charge that the WHO’s failure to communicate the extent of the threat, born of a desire to protect China, is largely responsible for the rapid spread of the virus in the United States.
 

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEP9cE-7Axi8zIKlpeVdZFrAqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowjtSUCjC30XQwpo69Bg?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

 

Unless we speak completely different versions of the English language Failure to communicate the extent of the threat means withholding info.

This counter-charge has triggered a spectacle of fury, denial and pure sycophancy in you that is as inexplicable as it is fascinating.

But of course you never actually read what anyone presents or says when it offends your God so how could you possibly know what I showed or didn't show you?  Like everything else you think you know you just make it up as you type it.

Edited April 28, 2020 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You've been saying the following is bullshit since the day I posted it.

Unless we speak completely different versions of the English language Failure to communicate the extent of the threat means withholding info.

This counter-charge has triggered a spectacle of fury, denial and pure sycophancy in you that is as inexplicable as it is fascinating.

But of course you never actually read what anyone presents or says when it offends your God so how could you possibly know what I showed or didn't show you?  Like everything else you think you know you just make it up as you type it.

Don’t take other people’s words and attribute them to my arguments. You can’t even think for yourself, you’re the biggest idiot on the site. You definitely don’t think for me. 

[Boges]

15 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you honestly telling us all that you don't understand why NYC's infection rate is higher than other COUNTRIES by a factor of 3?

I've explained to you dozens of times about what happens in an area that has 13,000x the population density of another area. 

I've explained to you why 4.3M people riding on the same subway and 5.3M people spread out over BC's 944,000 sq km would have different infection rates, didn't I?

You're either a propagandist, just belching out the same moronic lies over and over in the hopes that someone believes you, or you're a total moron Boges. There is no room left for a 3rd option. 

Great! It's still in the US and under Federal Authority. 

Trump can't absolve his documented downplaying of this virus because New York is a densely populated city.

BTW, it's been said to you several times that the US numbers are still higher per capita if you remove New York or New Jersey, perhaps you're the moron for not grasping that. 

[New World Disorder]

21 hours ago, Argus said:

Well, we do, sort of. Half our cases are in Quebec, with over 1500 deaths there. out of about 2500. About two thirds of those deaths are in Montreal.

But even if you remove NYC from the equation you still get a US death rate that is 15.34 times Canada where their population is only 8 times Canada.

In Quebec 1/3 are in those care homes that have shown to be criminal in their operations. These money sucking parasites will take all of the money and give appalling treatment of the elderly.  Think twice before you put your parents into one of these places.

[New World Disorder]

21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

???   I lived in California for several years and have family there.   Has pluses and minuses, like many places.

California has the fifth largest economy in the world.

Had.  Hollywood is not working to crank out a plethora of garbage that kowtows to China. Farmers are destroying crops because they cannot sell them. Over 50% of Los Angeles is unemployed. The movement of goods has been drastically reduced. California won't recover.

[OftenWrong]

Economy "destroyed" worldwide. The immediate response from people in recovering from this crap without money and indebted is to buy the cheapest stuff that's available.

Welcome back China.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

Great! It's still in the US and under Federal Authority. 

Trump can't absolve his documented downplaying of this virus because New York is a densely populated city.

BTW, it's been said to you several times that the US numbers are still higher per capita if you remove New York or New Jersey, perhaps you're the moron for not grasping that. 

Listen up boges, 57,000 deaths from covid in USA. 22,000 are from NY, 6,000 are from NJ. 22+6=28. 
 

57,000 - 28,000 = 29,000 deaths in the USA, not incl NY and NJ. Pop of US, not incl NY + NJ = 30M. 29,000/300M
 

USA 29K/300M not incl NY and NJ

USA 35K/308M not incl NY

Italy 27K/60M. 135K per 300M ppl

Spain 24K/50M 144K per 300M ppl

France 23K/66M 104K per 300M ppl

UK 21K/66M. 95K per 300M ppl

There are 4 countries right there whose death rates are 3-4 times higher than the US, not incl NY. Not just a bit higher, 3-4x higher. The rest of the US (not incl NY) would need 100,000 more deaths to rival Spain  or Italy. 

When you said three or four times that “America’s numbers were still the worst PER CAPITA outside of NY or NJ” you were just wrong, as usual. Not even just wrong, your math is as reliable as a monkey riding a bicycle and throwing down tiles with numbers on them. “It’s 86,543!!!!!”
 

Who tells you stuff like that, and why do you just blindly believe them WITH THEIR HISTORY OF LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING?????? 
 

You never believe anything that I say, yet you can’t point to someplace that I have lied to you. You always believe every single thing that they say, and they rarely ever tell you the truth. They were successfully sued by a kid for defamation of character ffs. That’s weird. 

I don’t lie to you Boges. You seem like you care, because you follow the “news” closely. I’m telling you honestly that you’re in a bad relationship. 

If I was you I’d change something. My news sources, my fact checking habits, just something. Not a small change either. I’d parse every phrase I heard on CNN and analyze it like cure for cancer was in there. You’ll wanna spew once you catch wind of their god-awful reek. You’re never going to see them the same way again. 

Edited April 28, 2020 by WestCanMan

[SpankyMcFarland]

Another alarming complication of COVID-19: strokes in young people:

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/strokes-coronavirus-young-adults/index.html

 

[WestCanMan]

23 hours ago, Argus said:

 

But even if you remove NYC from the equation you still get a US death rate that is 15.34 times Canada where their population is only 8 times Canada.

Their population density is also 8x what ours is, and that’s including NYC. 
 

If you spread America’s 330M people over 80M sq km, (that’s more than Europe, North America and South America combined) would you still expect them to have 57,000 deaths?

I hope not, because that would be stupid. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

47 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Their population density is also 8x what ours is, and that’s including NYC. 
 

If you spread America’s 330M people over 80M sq km, (that’s more than Europe, North America and South America combined) would you still expect them to have 57,000 deaths?

I hope not, because that would be stupid. 

So how big an effect does population density have? The UK (esp. England) and the Netherlands should have huge numbers then.

BTW our population lies mainly in a band beside the US border. There are very few people up north. 

Edited April 28, 2020 by SpankyMcFarland

[Boges]

58 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Listen up boges, 57,000 deaths from covid in USA. 22,000 are from NY, 6,000 are from NJ. 22+6=28. 
 

57,000 - 28,000 = 29,000 deaths in the USA, not incl NY and NJ. Pop of US, not incl NY + NJ = 30M. 29,000/300M
 

USA 29K/300M not incl NY and NJ

USA 35K/308M not incl NY

Italy 27K/60M. 135K per 300M ppl

Spain 24K/50M 144K per 300M ppl

France 23K/66M 104K per 300M ppl

UK 21K/66M. 95K per 300M ppl

There are 4 countries right there whose death rates are 3-4 times higher than the US, not incl NY. Not just a bit higher, 3-4x higher. The rest of the US (not incl NY) would need 100,000 more deaths to rival Spain  or Italy. 

When you said three or four times that “America’s numbers were still the worst PER CAPITA outside of NY or NJ” you were just wrong, as usual. Not even just wrong, your math is as reliable as a monkey riding a bicycle and throwing down tiles with numbers on them. “It’s 86,543!!!!!”
 

Who tells you stuff like that, and why do you just blindly believe them WITH THEIR HISTORY OF LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING?????? 
 

You never believe anything that I say, yet you can’t point to someplace that I have lied to you. You always believe every single thing that they say, and they rarely ever tell you the truth. They were successfully sued by a kid for defamation of character ffs. That’s weird. 

I don’t lie to you Boges. You seem like you care, because you follow the “news” closely. I’m telling you honestly that you’re in a bad relationship. 

If I was you I’d change something. My news sources, my fact checking habits, just something. Not a small change either. I’d parse every phrase I heard on CNN and analyze it like cure for cancer was in there. You’ll wanna spew once you catch wind of their god-awful reek. You’re never going to see them the same way again. 

Your abusive language speaks to your temperament and your inability to clearly present an argument. 

I said Canada still had a lower rate per capita than the US minus NY/NJ, not that it was the worst overall. I conceded that European nations have far worse figures per capita. 

So I didn't lie, you just didn't read properly. 

And those numbers still check out. 

29,000 deaths (minus NY/NJ) vs 2,700 for Canada. 

What of the number if we exclude Quebec who have a disproportionate number of the Canadian death toll. 

[Boges]

58 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Their population density is also 8x what ours is, and that’s including NYC. 
 

If you spread America’s 330M people over 80M sq km, (that’s more than Europe, North America and South America combined) would you still expect them to have 57,000 deaths?

I hope not, because that would be stupid. 

But to concede that point, we've excluded New York and it's still worse. 

So what of Michigan and Pennsylvania's population density? 

Edited April 28, 2020 by Boges

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

So how big an effect does population density have? The UK (esp. England) and the Netherlands should have huge numbers then.

BTW our population lies mainly in a band beside the US border. There are very few people up north. 

If you were a virus, where would you want to land? Wpg or Philadelphia?

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/mapping-population-density-dot-town/

[WestCanMan]

14 minutes ago, Boges said:

But to concede that point, we've excluded New York and it's still worse. 

So what of Michigan and Pennsylvania's population density? 

Philadelphia is actually very close to NYC. Less than 100 mi. You have to go through NJ to get there. 

[WestCanMan]

25 minutes ago, Boges said:

Your abusive language speaks to your temperament and your inability to clearly present an argument. 

I said Canada still had a lower rate per capita than the US minus NY/NJ, not that it was the worst overall. I conceded that European nations have far worse figures per capita. 

So I didn't lie, you just didn't read properly. 

And those numbers still check out. 

29,000 deaths (minus NY/NJ) vs 2,700 for Canada. 

What of the number if we exclude Quebec who have a disproportionate number of the Canadian death toll. 

If you look at the post you responded to, YOU were responding to my post, about NYC's infection rate vs other countries. 

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Are you honestly telling us all that you don't understand why NYC's infection rate is higher than other COUNTRIES by a factor of 3?

I've explained to you dozens of times about what happens in an area that has 13,000x the population density of another area. 

I've explained to you why 4.3M people riding on the same subway and 5.3M people spread out over BC's 944,000 sq km would have different infection rates, didn't I?

You're either a propagandist, just belching out the same moronic lies over and over in the hopes that someone believes you, or you're a total moron Boges. There is no room left for a 3rd option. 

It was never specified here that it was just NYC or America vs Canada. If you will only look at an America vs Canada comp, look at my reply to Argus.

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Their population density [of the USA] is also 8x what ours is, and that’s including NYC. 

If you spread America’s 330M people over 80M sq km, (that’s more than Europe, North America and South America combined),  would you still expect them to have 57,000 deaths?

You're doing an apples to oranges comp as if it's straight up.

Percentage of homosexuals in SF vs spuzzum BC is a worthless comp for lots of reasons, and that's why you're choosing such a thing. A better comp is StL vs a similar-sized city in Canada. 

There are less covid deaths in LA than Mtl. Then again, LA didn't have a Dem Mayor and Public Health Officer saying "ride the crowded NYC subway, eat in restaurants" weeks after Trump had closed off travel from China.

[Boges]

20 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

If you look at the post you responded to, YOU were responding to my post, about NYC's infection rate vs other countries. 

It was never specified here that it was just NYC or America vs Canada. If you will only look at an America vs Canada comp, look at my reply to Argus.

You're doing an apples to oranges comp as if it's straight up.

Percentage of homosexuals in SF vs spuzzum BC is a worthless comp for lots of reasons, and that's why you're choosing such a thing. A better comp is StL vs a similar-sized city in Canada. 

There are less covid deaths in LA than Mtl. Then again, LA didn't have a Dem Mayor and Public Health Officer saying "ride the crowded NYC subway, eat in restaurants" weeks after Trump had closed off travel from China.

So then the comparison to deaths between Canada and the US isn't an Apples to Apples comparison in your eyes. 

I'll concede that population density is a factor, but it's not the only factor. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

So how big an effect does population density have? The UK (esp. England) and the Netherlands should have huge numbers then.

BTW our population lies mainly in a band beside the US border. There are very few people up north. 

Sorry, my initial reply was rude. 
 

The whole east coast of the US is city-city-city. 
 

There are just a lot of malls, subway systems, massive high schools, elementary schools, etc everywhere. Places where 1 infected person can infect hundreds. 
 

They have 21 urban centers with over 2M. We have 3. Those are the places where a few infected people have the potential to cause tens of thousands of deaths.