The Coronavirus

[Argus]

1 minute ago, Rue said:

We do not lack it. We chose to off source it to China et al.

Which is why we lack it.

[Rue]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I had to laugh my ass off at a placard some MAGA hillbilly was waving in Michigan the other day...Have-wits gotta go!

Some of Jed Clampett is what we need. Milburn Drysdale is Trump. Sonny Drysdale is Trudeau. Jane Hathaway is Chantal Hebert. Jethro Bodine is the media. Doug Ford is Broderick Crawford from Highway Patrol.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Rue

[Shady]

Things are going to reopened in phases starting in a few weeks regardless of what some in this forum may feel.  You can’t destroy society to save it.  Especially from something that has a .5 to 1.5% mortality rate at best It’s completely irrational.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Shady

[Rue]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

Which is why we lack it.

We do not lack the capacity to make it is my point.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

Things are going to reopened in phases starting in a few weeks regardless of what some in this forum may feel.  You can’t destroy society to save it.  Especially from something that has a .5 to 1.5% mortality rate at best It’s completely irrational.

What, you mean they aren't going to consult me?  Do they know who I am? 

It'll be interesting. 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

What intelligence.  Keep listening to your government overlords, you know, the ones you can’t trust because of lobbying.  They’ll tell you everything you need to know.  And disregard new science that tells us the virus is much more widespread than originally thought, therefore lowering the mortality rate.  Keep ignoring the points made about reopening with mitigation and social distancing, while high risk people remain in quarantine.  With resources directed to those groups specifically to keep them safe.  It takes less critical thinking from you. 

I'm listening to you people tell me this sort of outbreak happens year after year with all the bodies and swamped ER rooms and such. You're unable to show any evidence whatsoever of this while using it as the basis for saying move along move along nothing to see now.

You're all completely retarded. 

[Shady]

Just now, bcsapper said:

What, you mean they aren't going to consult me?  Do they know who I am? 

It'll be interesting. 

That’s the plan.

[Guest]

Just now, Shady said:

That’s the plan.

Well, I spent $900 at Costco yesterday.  Bring it on, I'll manage.

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm listening to you people tell me this sort of outbreak happens year after year with all the bodies and swamped ER rooms and such. You're unable to show any evidence whatsoever of this while using it as the basis for saying move along move along nothing to see now.

You're all completely retarded. 

I’m not saying that this outbreak happens year after year.  Only retards call people retarded.  Now go listen to more instructions from your government overlords.  They need you to do your duty!

Edited April 18, 2020 by Shady

[dialamah]

Just now, eyeball said:

I'm listening to you people tell me this sort of outbreak happens year after year with all the bodies and swamped ER rooms and such. You're unable to show any evidence whatsoever of this while using it as the basis for saying move along move along nothing to see now.

Yeah, as if the (as yet unproven) 'mortality rate' was the least bit relevant to the situation we currently find ourselves in.   

[Shady]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Yeah, as if the (as yet unproven) 'mortality rate' was the least bit relevant to the situation we currently find ourselves in.   

It does because it effects government policy.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

Things are going to reopened in phases starting in a few weeks regardless of what some in this forum may feel.  You can’t destroy society to save it.  Especially from something that has a .5 to 1.5% mortality rate at best It’s completely irrational.

In the states for sure but thankfully in Canada most of us have the sense to wait and see how that works out for them.

I'm in one of the best contained least infected places in the world and I'm still being told to stay the fuck at home for at least another month other than for essential reason. Work being the least of these.

[Shady]

Just now, eyeball said:

In the states for sure but thankfully in Canada most of us have the sense to wait and see how that works out for them.

I'm in one of the best contained least infected places in the world and I'm still being told to stay the fuck at home for at least another month other than for essential reason. Work being the least of these.

Yep, just like I said, another few weeks and then our phases will kick in.  But ever ask yourself why it’s ok for everybody to go to the same grocery stores or pharmacies each week? 

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm listening to you people tell me this sort of outbreak happens year after year with all the bodies and swamped ER rooms and such. You're unable to show any evidence whatsoever of this while using it as the basis for saying move along move along nothing to see now.

You're all completely retarded. 

 

Happened in 2017-2018...you just refuse to believe it...

 

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The 2017-2018 influenza epidemic is sending people to hospitals and urgent-care centers in every state, and medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures: asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting friends and family visits and canceling elective surgeries, to name a few.

https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/

 

[Shady]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Happened in 2017-2018...you just refuse to believe it...

 

 

Exactly.  Stuff like this has never been broadcast 24/7, so nobody has any perspective.  This is an actual picture of eyeball from the last several weeks.

[Rue]

34 minutes ago, Argus said:

You pointed out there haven't been hospitals overrun with Covid19 victims in Canada as a defense against the statement of how deadly and dangerous this virus is. But there is no way to compare what the condition of hospitals would have been like without a quarantine. I suspect they'd have been as bad if not worse than Italy given our hospitals are generally at or near capacity on good days.

Yes we would have had overflows. Its a reasoble assumption. I can not prove it but think in the absence of more effective protocol itvhas to be done and we will eventually learn from it. Even if we over estimated  so what. Better to have erred on the side of caution. The quarantine most of us agree had to be done. Even in countries with graduated quarantines like Korea, Taiwan, they still have to use them as one of many tools.

If the inconvenience of shutting me down three months is what if is..to save lives I can live with that.  I know you and many others can..so if you can I can. I may disagree on somethings with you.. not that..

[dialamah]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

It does because it effects government policy.

In future, sure.  Today, next week ... not so much.  As yet there is no certainty on these claims, the world is still learning about this virus.  Caution is warranted.   I hope the infection rate is low, but I'm not willing to risk my life, or my kids' lives on incomplete data.  YMMV.

[-TSS-]

16 minutes ago, Rue said:

I hear you Finns by too many cucumbers. I per customer. 

I'm very much in two minds about this. On one hand, are we really this fortunate. On the other hand, are we just behind others and in for the worst later on.

In Sweden they have chosen another way of dealing with the situation and they are keeping everything open. We in Finland are thinking the Swedes are absolutely crazy. They have had 1200 deaths while we in Finland up to date less than 100.

However, the Swedes tend to fare better than us and it could be that by mid-June the epidemic is over for Sweden while it is just starting here in Finland. The total number of deaths would be lower in Sweden than in Finland.

I really hope I am wrong on that prediction. 

[Rue]

Just now, Shady said:

Exactly.  Stuff like this has never been broadcast 24/7, so nobody has any perspective.  This is an actual picture of eyeball from the last several weeks.

Where are his teeth....

[Rue]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

In future, sure.  Today, next week ... not so much.  As yet there is no certainty on these claims, the world is still learning about this virus.  Caution is warranted.   I hope the infection rate is low, but I'm not willing to risk my life, or my kids' lives on incomplete data.  YMMV.

No of course not. We all have to err on the side of caution.

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, dialamah said:

In future, sure.  Today, next week ... not so much.  As yet there is no certainty on these claims, the world is still learning about this virus.  Caution is warranted.   I hope the infection rate is low, but I'm not willing to risk my life, or my kids' lives on incomplete data.  YMMV.

No, it’s setting government policy now, and has been for weeks.  Inaccurate projections of fatalities, fatality rates and hospitalizations.  If you drive a car everyday, youre risking your life and your families.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Shady

[Marocc]

12 minutes ago, Shady said:

It does because it effects government policy.

It effects government policy because it is.

[Rue]

10 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

I'm very much in two minds about this. On one hand, are we really this fortunate. On the other hand, are we just behind others and in for the worst later on.

In Sweden they have chosen another way of dealing with the situation and they are keeping everything open. We in Finland are thinking the Swedes are absolutely crazy. They have had 1200 deaths while we in Finland up to date less than 100.

However, the Swedes tend to fare better than us and it could be that by mid-June the epidemic is over for Sweden while it is just starting here in Finland. The total number of deaths would be lower in Sweden than in Finland.

I really hope I am wrong on that prediction. 

I hear you. The attempt to flatten rates may simply prolong  the existence of the virus leading to the same death rate anyways  or maybe on the other hand  its slowing it down also will lower the death by stalling is spread long enough to mutate itself to a less harmless form and until we get better protocols in place.

It will be fascinating to compare Finishbsnd Swedish approaches. It will help us all learn. Hang in. If you see Vlad next door tell him I sad kiss a moose.

Edited April 18, 2020 by Rue

[eyeball]

6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Happened in 2017-2018...you just refuse to believe it...

Yes we get the flu year after year after year but you might have noticed your story indicated no one could remember a year like 2017-2018. So again I ask where are the refrigerated trucks and mass graves and hospitals counting 600-700 dead from these outbreaks day after day after day, year after year after year.  Why wasn't there any mention of anything like that in your story?

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, Shady said:

Exactly.  Stuff like this has never been broadcast 24/7, so nobody has any perspective.  This is an actual picture of eyeball from the last several weeks.

Yes I was trying to get used to watching Fox News but I just couldn't take it. I'm still having to use eye drops and Beethoven still makes me puke.