The Coronavirus

[OftenWrong]

7 hours ago, Boges said:

Also notable that Sweden, a country that didn't embrace this shut down culture, has more deaths per capita than the US right now. 

Sweden has only 10M people. These numbers can really lead you astray if you make assumptions about their meaning or comparison, especially per capita.

Sweden also has done fewer tests per capita, which means there are probably many in the community who are not being reported. Presumably they are those who have mild symptoms. Again why such comparisons are difficult to make let alone draw fancy conclusions.

But what we CAN say is that they've had about 1200 deaths, which is not vastly different than Canada's 1000 or so. Yet Canada has 3 times the population. In that light they are doing quite well.

If anything this indicates what I've suspected, and what will probably be shown to be true later when this is over. The complete shutdown approach is excessive and unwarranted, and doesn't return a good value for the immense cost and other social harms it has created. We have created this problem and made it worse for us, not the virus.

[Rue]

Sweden feels  they have sufficient services already in place to avoid a swamping of hospitals with cases. Whether they will be swamped or not is not known quite yet. The deaths they feel would be the same spread out or not but they had no equivalent worry as to back log.

It will be interesting to see if there death rates will actually be higher or have just have come more rapidly. That we have to wait to see, In terms of back logs they have none at this time although some are worried they may still and so may still have to quarantined. Its being monitored. 

Sweden has a different approach to euthanasia and death than we do in Canada..a lot less fear over death when discussing it.

That said whether it has led to more deaths or did not, we will know in a year of studies following the  decline of this pandemic to a low level where stats can be gathered and compared using similiar quantification.

I am of the view distancing was needed and has been working and may not have been needed to such an extent had we done other proper planning. That said we did not, so I believe we had no choice. All we had to go by was China who covered it up and lied about it.

When in doubt distancing is a basic emergency technique with any disease that is contagious. No you can not do it forever but not to have done it in the absence of an ability to properly test and isolate carriers which still is the case, would have been irresponsible. Even if we erred on the side of caution when all is said and done surely we can live with that as opposed to deaths we could have prevented. I argue we have to put other procedures in place and we can't stay shut down forever but I can't fault the shut down. It was one in the name of saving lives. Let's just see now how much longer

 How long it has to continue is a hard one. I have guessed mid May to end of May myself if we did go by what has happened in China. However that is a guess based on assuming it flattens the way it did in China. They say the peak in Canada is pretty much the next week. BC flattened their rate out already, Quebec and Ontario not quite. Manitoba still rising if I am not mistaken.  Its a big country. Our isolated regions create their own issues in terms of limited medical resources if it spreads there. I think quarantines may be necessary for awhile longer but not too much longer.

I thin we can bounce back from this.  I think we can. It will be hard but in a unifying way.

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Rue

[Tdot]

For narcissism's idiots out there who fleece, reality, regarding contaminated meat in terms of the China's evils:

 

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Tdot

[Rue]

14 hours ago, Tdot said:

For narcissism's idiots out there who fleece, reality, regarding contaminated meat in terms of the China's evils:

 

 

 

 

Speaking about narcissistic idiots... you started another thread on this same to hook and bait. Run along.  Only so many fish to try catch and you depleted the Grand Banks years ago.  You again try us a harpoon to try catch perch.

Edited April 16, 2020 by Rue

[Shady]

Some good news.

Dow futures rally more than 800 points after Gilead coronavirus drug reportedly shows effectiveness

Gilead shares jumped by 16.41% in after-hours trading after STAT news reported that a Chicago hospital treating coronavirus patients with Remdesivir in a trial were recovering rapidly from severe symptoms

[Tdot]

14 hours ago, Rue said:

Speaking about narcissistic idiots... you started another thread on this same to hook and bait. Run along.  Only so many fish to try catch and you depleted the Grand Banks years ago.  You again try us a harpoon to try catch perch.

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[Marocc]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

700,125  Cases which had an outcome:  553,227 (79%)   Recovered / Discharged   146,898 (21%)   Deaths

[Boges]

6 hours ago, Marocc said:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

700,125  Cases which had an outcome:  553,227 (79%)   Recovered / Discharged   146,898 (21%)   Deaths

Actually that is a very stark stat. Recovery rate is rather low. Though that stat doesn't include confirmed cases that may recover in the future. Just closed cases. 

I think more stats need to include recovered cases. The number will continue to climb, but not everyone is just sitting there sick. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by Boges

[Rue]

9 hours ago, Tdot said:

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Sending viruses now. How mature.

[Argus]

13 hours ago, Shady said:

Some good news.

Sheep gotta BAaaahhh!

A rumor of a degree of success on a small trial and people rush to buy airlines and hotel and restaurant stocks again, and sell off grocers and Amazon and video games as if it's all over. LOL. It's going to be a long, long time before most people feel comfortable flying off somewhere on vacation, longer still for cruise lines. Restaurants, when they do re-open, are going to have to practice social distancing, with half the number of tables they have now. Boeing is way up since they said they'd start building planes again - that nobody wants. LOL. The stock market is full of dummies and sheep.

[Shady]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

Sheep gotta BAaaahhh!

A rumor of a degree of success on a small trial and people rush to buy airlines and hotel and restaurant stocks again, and sell off grocers and Amazon and video games as if it's all over. LOL. It's going to be a long, long time before most people feel comfortable flying off somewhere on vacation, longer still for cruise lines. Restaurants, when they do re-open, are going to have to practice social distancing, with half the number of tables they have now. Boeing is way up since they said they'd start building planes again - that nobody wants. LOL. The stock market is full of dummies and sheep.

I wasn’t referring to the market as good news, but as legitimate positive results of the initial trial of a drug to treat corona virus.  I’d say that when 98% of people with severe symptoms recover very quickly with the help of the drug, it’s good news.  

[Argus]

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

I wasn’t referring to the market as good news, but as legitimate positive results of the initial trial of a drug to treat corona virus.  I’d say that when 98% of people with severe symptoms recover very quickly with the help of the drug, it’s good news.  

Yes, so far that is good news. But if you weren't referring to the market you shouldn't have started it with:

Dow futures rally more than 800 points after Gilead coronavirus drug reportedly shows effectiveness

[Shady]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

Yes, so far that is good news. But if you weren't referring to the market you shouldn't have started it with:

Dow futures rally more than 800 points after Gilead coronavirus drug reportedly shows effectiveness

Fair enough.  It was the headline of the article.  But I get your point,

[Boges]

14 hours ago, Shady said:

Some good news.

Dow futures rally more than 800 points after Gilead coronavirus drug reportedly shows effectiveness

Gilead shares jumped by 16.41% in after-hours trading after STAT news reported that a Chicago hospital treating coronavirus patients with Remdesivir in a trial were recovering rapidly from severe symptoms

LOL it's not even a published study, just anecdotes from a Zoom call. The study is being paid for by Gilead. 

[bush_cheney2004]

15 minutes ago, Boges said:

LOL it's not even a published study, just anecdotes from a Zoom call. The study is being paid for by Gilead. 

 

Still getting lots of attention in Canada....how come ?

[Tdot]

3 hours ago, Rue said:

Sending viruses now. How mature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_ZSo4fXyck

 

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by Tdot

[Shady]

New evidence shows the corona virus mortality rate is at about influenza.

 

 

[Shady]

Furthermore 

 

 

[eyeball]

As long as we're comparing the two does anyone have any evidence whatsoever of swarms of influenza cases swamping ER rooms year after year the way COVID cases have this year?

[Shady]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

As long as we're comparing the two does anyone have any evidence whatsoever of swarms of influenza cases swamping ER rooms year after year the way COVID cases have this year?

Well, in the United States over 20,000 people have died from influenza this flu season.  But it’s not really news.  And that’s with flu vaccines.

[Shady]

So far this flu season, the seasonal flu has killed an estimate 500,000 to 1.2 million worldwide.

[SpankyMcFarland]

8 minutes ago, Shady said:

Well, in the United States over 20,000 people have died from influenza this flu season.  But it’s not really news.  And that’s with flu vaccines.

Those deaths must be more evenly distributed in time and space - since, when, October and across the US? There is definitely something different about this e.g. health care personnel dying. I don’t think it’s just media hype. 

Edited April 18, 2020 by SpankyMcFarland

[Shady]

In 2009, H1N1 infected approximately 60 million Americans, hospitalized 275,000 Americans and killed around 15,000.

[Shady]

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

Those deaths must be more evenly distributed in time and space - since, when, October and across the US? There is definitely something different about this. 

Probably something like November or December until now.  There’s just no running count on cable news updating death counts each day.  Some years it gets up to 60,000, particularly if it runs badly through nursing homes.

[Shady]

It doesn’t mean it’s not a serious virus, but it’s much less serious than originally thought.