Liberal Spending out of control

Argus · January 10, 2020

14 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

Why do you seem to be the only conservative that get's it with Trump?

Because I'm a conservative and many who call themselves conservatives, aren't. Certainly the US Republicans don't qualify. They had congress, senate and presidency and increased the deficit substantially. Phhht. Some conservatives. Not to mention they worship a whoremongering liar, gambler and adulterer of a president who has never paid attention to religion in his life but seem to think he's going to save them from immorality.

Edited January 10, 2020 by Argus

Argus · January 10, 2020

3 hours ago, cannuck said:

That being said, I really can appreciate some of the things Trump has said and done. Taking on China, for instance, and calling them out for predatory trade practices for one. Rather clumsy, but accurate attempts to deal with the illegal immigration problems for another. Bringing the Deep State matters to more public attention being the BIG one (and one we are deeply involved with).

Rather clumsily understates the case, but yes, I certainly agree with taking on China. It could have been done far more intelligently and to far greater effect. As of yet we don't even know if anything is going to come of it. China hasn't changed its ways one bit. I also agree with Trump on securing the border, though I think a 'wall' is unneeded for much of it. But then I don't think he really cares. Certainly he made no real effort to press congress for money until the Democrats held the balance of power.

That's about it as far as my agreement goes with anything that moron has said or done.

Queenmandy85 · January 10, 2020

19 hours ago, taxme said:

19 hours ago, taxme said:

1. Stop all foreign aid.

The reason is many voters believe it is important to help the less fortunate.

19 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

2. A moratorium on all immigration.

I agree for different reasons. Canada is losing the very essence of our character, our wilderness.For me it is a question of numbers. However, many voters are concerned with the significant negative impact halting immigration would have on the economy.

19 hours ago, taxme said:

4. A way more smaller federal government

Ministries in themselves are not major expenditures. Part of the reason for some of these ministers is the requirement for regional representation in the cabinet.

19 hours ago, taxme said:

3. Abolish multiculturalism, and bilingualism

Canada has a rich blended heritage. Many voters like that.

19 hours ago, taxme said:

Just by abolishing those mentioned above, and many more useless and unneeded leftist liberal programs and agendas, could save the Canadian taxpayer's close to a trillion tax dollars every year. There are so many ways to save trillions of tax dollars from being blown every year by all of the three levels of government.

I would like to see the source for this figure.

Governments are a reflection of the electorate. Some one complains a politician lies. So do almost all voters. It is human nature to lie.

Some one complains a politician is corrupt. I respond by pointing out that you hired him / her. Voters are a hiring committee and they always get the government they deserve. The voter is alway right in a democracy.That is why I am a Militant Monarchist.

taxme · January 10, 2020

19 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

Because you have written so many posts about how great Trump is... Then when I say it's time to pull the plug on Trump.... you change the conversation to what Trudeau is doing.

Well one thing Trudeau isn't doing is taking us to war. So as much as I hate Trudeau, Trump is worse. The only reason why you love Trump, is because it's a buzzword to troll liberals.

I get that we were so desperate to drain the swamp after Obama... that we supported Trump... but now Trump has make the deficit higher than Obama. The numbers don't lie.

So when I see American conservatives doing the same wasteful spending as Obama, I call them out on it... and my Canadian friends... who still brag about how great Trump is.

I'm so angry at Trump right now, I don't even care to worry about Trudeau. "Peoplekind" is not going to cause the next 9/11.

War is a waste of money!!!

And we need America to be strong and rebuild their country, or China is going to take over the worlds business.

Well, this topic was supposed to be about liberals, and not about Trump. You brought up Trump, and not me. I only replied that I do not believe that Trump is the problem, but rather that Trump is the solution. Trump is trying to clean up the warmongering deep state swamp, and thus Trump gets attacked and mocked for trying to do so. For now, I stand with Trump.

IMHO, Trudeau could not start a war or even win a war even if he tried to get one started. Canada has become a country pretty much full of a bunch of feminist girlie men. The men of today are nowhere near what the men of Canada were like seventy years ago. They did not have to bow down to the clown prince god called political correctness, and obey that god like the men in Canada are pretty much doing today. Women are now saying jump to men, and men are now asking, how high. The women in this country appear to be the ones that are wearing those big boy pants. Just my opinion of course.

War is a racket and a big waste of tax dollars. Imagine if all the tax dollars that were and still are being blown on silly azz wars, were instead put to better the world and mankind, whoops, peoplekind, all wars, poverty and hunger could probably now be all just history. But as long as those evil globalist elite batards are allowed to keep starting new wars, there will never be any peace on earth. We all need Trump to be strong. The whole world is now depending on Trump to help rid the world of all of their deep state swamps. Works for me.

taxme · January 10, 2020

3 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I agree for different reasons. Canada is losing the very essence of our character, our wilderness.For me it is a question of numbers. However, many voters are concerned with the significant negative impact halting immigration would have on the economy.

Ministries in themselves are not major expenditures. Part of the reason for some of these ministers is the requirement for regional representation in the cabinet.

Canada has a rich blended heritage. Many voters like that.

I would like to see the source for this figure.

Governments are a reflection of the electorate. Some one complains a politician lies. So do almost all voters. It is human nature to lie.

Some one complains a politician is corrupt. I respond by pointing out that you hired him / her. Voters are a hiring committee and they always get the government they deserve. The voter is alway right in a democracy.That is why I am a Militant Monarchist.

1. We have less fortunate people in Canada. They should come first. Why should it be my concern over how people live in countries thousands of miles away from me and their problems? They have poverty or hunger issues, well, bloody well fix them. Stop taking my tax dollars and given them away to total strangers? Foreign aid must stop now. I am not my brothers world keeper. Just remember that all of that money that Canada gives away to other countries is all borrowed from the globalist banksters who make plenty of interest of that borrowed money while you have to pay that money back in taxes. What a great deal, eh?

2. Canada does not need 400,000 new immigrants or legal or illegal so called refugees immigrating or sneaking into Canada. Our politicians are trying to flood Canada with the rest of the world. That is insane. There are approx. 5 million Canadians unemployed in this country. Now those Canadians will have to compete with those unwanted or unneeded immigrants for jobs. Canada only needs to replace the amount of people that die every year. No more than that. More immigration just means more services and infrastructure, and not to forget the damage that is being done to the environment. Sadly, for most Canadians, all of that mentioned above will never sink into their small brains,and will never ring a bell for them.

3. Any unnecessary ministries is a major waste of taxpayer's tax dollars. Part of the reason is that there is too much federal government involvement in provincial affairs and politics. Hand most of those ministries back over to the provinces instead and let them do what needs to be done.

4. Yes, Canada does have many different cultures in it's population, but that is no reason to have a minister for multiculturalism or diversity. What for? If people want to hang on to their past, well do so at home, and stop trying to spread their cultures on the rest of the host Canadian people. At onetime, Christmas was a big thing in Canada. Today, thanks to the promotion of multiculturalism, it has become just another ho-hum event day for many which probably amounts to about 40% of the population who could probably care less about our Canadian Christmas tradition. Today, Canada now pays for and helps promote and support other foreign cultures while our politicians try to delete our Canadian culture one tradition at a time.

5. There are plenty of Canadian websites that will show you as to just how much Canada has blown on all of those multicult programs and agendas I have mentioned above. It has run into the trillions of tax dollars. Tax dollars well wasted. Disgusting indeed.

6. IMHO, the electorate have become totally clueless and useless when it comes to politics and how their tax dollars are being blown. Just look who they voted in the last election. That should tell us all as to just how dumb most Canadians have become in this gawd awful political messed up forsaken country today.

Enough ranting on this topic. It's time for a coffee. See you.

Edited January 10, 2020 by taxme

eyeball · January 11, 2020

On 1/8/2020 at 8:44 AM, Shady said:

So lobbying on behalf of an issue like climate change would also be illegal?

Why would you ask such a stupid question Shady? Did I say outlaw lobbying? No, I clearly said outlaw in-camera lobbying.

In any case would you rather not know what Trudeau was promising a coalition of environmental groups behind a closed door? Maybe living in ignorance is your style but....why?

WestCanMan · January 11, 2020

23 hours ago, Argus said:

Instead you want to investigate Biden out of a mere hunch

LMAO, that's the most ridiculous summary I've heard about anything in my life and I'm including Schiff's characterization of the call to Zelenski.

Are you a Liberal politician?

WestCanMan · January 11, 2020

14 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

This is the guy who want America to fight and pay for their war. Do you support a war for Israel, or do you want to see America protect it's southern border, and repair it's broken bridges, highways? Make a choice.

It's not "a war for Israel" PC, it's the prevention of genocide. Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas are all dedicated to wiping out Israel.

eyeball · January 11, 2020

On 1/9/2020 at 4:58 PM, WestCanMan said:

The only way that you can outlaw in-camera lobbying is if you have an actual video camera on politicians 24/7. There's no other way to ensure that they don't have secret meetings, or they don't have their staffers meet with people in secret.

That's right, if they meet 24/7. Like I said there should be financial penalties and jail time to prevent people from deliberately evading the system the way you describe.

You need to go back and read and think a little more clearly about why and how the auditing and validating aspects of monitoring lobbyists / politicians should address most of the fears these will be secretly meeting in bathrooms or around the clubhouse down at the golf course or something. It's basically taking a page from Robert's Rules of Order - if a meeting wasn't meticulously recorded then it simply didn't happen meaning the decision making process will have an obvious gap in it.

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Eyeball just believe me - if the media says it doesn't matter, the lemmings don't care about it.

Who gives a fuck what the media says or what the lemmings think when I can go see the public record for myself?

Edited January 11, 2020 by eyeball

WestCanMan · January 11, 2020

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's right, if they meet 24/7. Like I said there should be financial penalties and jail time to prevent people from deliberately evading the system the way you describe.

You need to go back and read and think a little more clearly about why and how the auditing and validating aspects of monitoring lobbyists / politicians should address most of the fears these will be secretly meeting in bathrooms or around the clubhouse down at the golf course or something. It's basically taking a page from Robert's Rules of Order - if a meeting wasn't meticulously recorded then it simply didn't happen meaning the decision making process will have an obvious gap in it.

Ok here's one for ya eyeball. The Clerk of the Privy Council was recorded pressuring Wilson Raybould to use the DPA. Trudeau was directly implicated in that. The trail of cookie crumbs includes JWR being fired and then kicked out of the party.

That should matter, right eyeball?

There's enough info there for a proper investigation. THE most expert witness in Canada wanted to testify. Honestly, who's a more highly-respected witness in Canada than the AG, when she had first hand info and documented evidence of wrongdoing?

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Who gives a fuck what the media says or what the lemmings think when I can go see the public record for myself?

You do. Argus does. Boges does. Rue does. The media says something, and then you guys jump on it without an instant's critical thought. The PM can block that investigation 'til his heart's content and YOU DON'T CARE. You're not asking to see anything. Why would you care about lobbying? You don't care that Trudeau accepted a large gift from a lobbyist. What rules do you care about eyeball?

Keep on picking and choosing which laws re: lobbying you care about and then tell me again how passionate you are about getting your own special law passed lol. Hypocrite.

Queenmandy85 · January 11, 2020

17 hours ago, taxme said:

Canada has become a country pretty much full of a bunch of feminist girlie men.

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

eyeball · January 11, 2020

10 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Ok here's one for ya eyeball. The Clerk of the Privy Council was recorded pressuring Wilson Raybould to use the DPA. Trudeau was directly implicated in that. The trail of cookie crumbs includes JWR being fired and then kicked out of the party.

That should matter, right eyeball?

There's enough info there for a proper investigation. THE most expert witness in Canada wanted to testify. Honestly, who's a more highly-respected witness in Canada than the AG, when she had first hand info and documented evidence of wrongdoing?

You must still be stubbornly and stupidly possessed with the notion that I support Trudeau and so you simply cannot give a moments thought to anything else.

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You're not asking to see anything.

I'm posting over and over and over again about recording and making everything politicians and lobbyists say to each other available to the public because I'm not asking to see anything.

You are completely retarded. That's not a sandbox comment it just is what it is.

taxme · January 11, 2020

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

Try what? Putting on a skirt and high heel shoes and go shopping or go prancing around in some gay pride parade all dressed up in women's ugly looking butch clothing, and who plaster women's makeup all over their ugly looking faces. No thanks, dearie. Real men are politically incorrect. The feminist girlie men are politically correct. We laugh at those foolish looking pc fools. I will knock that one off my list of things that I plan on never doing. Most men have become so feminist and gay these days. Real men are disappearing. Just saying.

taxme · January 11, 2020

19 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

LMAO, that's the most ridiculous summary I've heard about anything in my life and I'm including Schiff's characterization of the call to Zelenski.

Are you a Liberal politician?

Personally, I think that he is one of those liberal conservatives, and is an outstanding member of the Scheer conservative liberal party of Canada. He has to be because he likes to knock real and true conservatives like Trump and Bernier. I think that he is just mad because his liberal conservative party did not win the election. Just saying.

WestCanMan · January 13, 2020

On 1/11/2020 at 10:20 AM, eyeball said:

You must still be stubbornly and stupidly possessed with the notion that I support Trudeau and so you simply cannot give a moments thought to anything else.

I'm posting over and over and over again about recording and making everything politicians and lobbyists say to each other available to the public because I'm not asking to see anything.

You are completely retarded. That's not a sandbox comment it just is what it is.

1)Look back at my previous post.

2)It outlines a completely clear trail to a completely necessary investigation. Everyone in Canada can see that trail if they have any objectivity in them at all.

3)I mentioned to you that the press wants you to think that a proper investigation is unwarranted.

4)Instead of replying "Oh yeah, that's a perfect example of the PM running rough-shod over existing laws, and the media telling Canadians that it doesn't matter at all, and then nothing happening about it" you talk about whether or not I think you're a Trudeau supporter.

It doesn't matter whether or not I accused you of being Liberal in the past. Did Trudeau clearly break laws or not? Did the media tell Canadians to look the way and make it blow over? And where was the concern? Who actually gave a crap? Certainly not you.

Why do you think that people will care about your law when you, eyeball the pontificator, don't care about actual laws that are already on the books yourself? get it?

WestCanMan · January 13, 2020

On 1/11/2020 at 11:41 AM, taxme said:

Personally, I think that he is one of those liberal conservatives, and is an outstanding member of the Scheer conservative liberal party of Canada. He has to be because he likes to knock real and true conservatives like Trump and Bernier. I think that he is just mad because his liberal conservative party did not win the election. Just saying.

I agree that our conservatives are Liberal compared to Trump for example, I just don't think that Canadians were ready to go so far to the right as Bernier yet.

Trudeau has the media locked down and we don't have Fox News up here telling the truth.

eyeball · January 13, 2020

3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1)Look back at my previous post.

No. You go back and address why I said it's not impossible to expect solid results from outlawing in-camera lobbying in the manner I described.

Moonlight Graham · January 13, 2020

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No. You go back and address why I said it's not impossible to expect solid results from outlawing in-camera lobbying in the manner I described.

All lobbying should be 100% on public record.

WestCanMan · January 13, 2020

41 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No. You go back and address why I said it's not impossible to expect solid results from outlawing in-camera lobbying in the manner I described.

You don’t understand, I get it. Just say tour little words eyeball.

outtie

eyeball · January 13, 2020

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You don’t understand, I get it. Just say tour little words eyeball.

outtie

Hey I get it that Trudeau is a crooked lying little shit.

What's that got to do with you going back and addressing the measures I outlined that would make it difficult for politicians to be that way?

WestCanMan · January 13, 2020

Just now, eyeball said:

Hey I get it that Trudeau is a crooked lying little shit.

What's that got to do with you going back and addressing the measures I outlined that would make it difficult for politicians to be that way?

You didn’t care when Trudeau broke existing laws.
Why would you care if he broke your laws?

eyeball · January 13, 2020

Just now, WestCanMan said:

You didn’t care when Trudeau broke existing laws.

What on Earth leads you to conclude that? Of course I cared but I couldn't prove that he broke any laws...hence the call to outlaw the secrecy behind which he broke them.

You've yet to state why you aren't behind the idea of outlawing in-camera lobbying and taking away the ability of people like Trudeau to break laws. Is it simply because I'm the one who introduced the idea to you? I have a very conservative associate I occasionally work with and we're very far apart on lots of issues. He ran for local municipal office and the main plank of his campaign was to hold a lot less council meetings in-camera. He was a first timer and didn't win but he got a bunch of votes. Mark my words the push for greater accountability will only increase the more time passes and more politicians and their butt-sniffs push back against it.

eyeball · January 13, 2020

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You didn’t care when Trudeau broke existing laws.
Why would you care if he broke your laws?

My laws? WTF are you babbling about now?

August1991 · January 13, 2020

On 1/1/2020 at 11:37 AM, Argus said:

Liberal spending is $7 billion over budget and no one knows why. Or if they do, they're not talking. This is before any of the Liberal spending promises have been factored in. Canada is headed for a $30 billion budget deficit in the midst of an economy boom with revenues higher than expected.

Just think of what happens to that when we hit the inevitable downturn....

Argus, true, but you are also dead wrong.

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Trudeau Jnr is spending like a drunk sailor.

But Trudeau Jnr, unlike a drunk sailor, can borrow on Mafia terms.

taxme · January 13, 2020

20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

I agree that our conservatives are Liberal compared to Trump for example, I just don't think that Canadians were ready to go so far to the right as Bernier yet.

Trudeau has the media locked down and we don't have Fox News up here telling the truth.

I guess that must mean that the majority of Canadians are pretty much either a bunch of liberals or socialists or even communists, and they appear to not be ready nor want a real and true conservative politician leader like Bernier in Canada ever. And as Canada becomes more multicultural and diverse, liberals and socialists will be getting their votes for several decades to come. I believe that real and true conservatism in Canada is just about dead.

In America, there are many conservative talk radio and TV news channels on American television for conservatives to have access and get to listen too. In Canada, there are none. It would appear as though they are not allowed to exist in Canada. Personally, I believe that there is a conspiracy in Canada among our liberal and socialist and communist elites to make sure to keep it that way. Indeed, Chief Spreading Bull has locked down the media, and if he keeps getting and having his own way, American news outlets like FOX News will never make it here in Canada. The last conservative news outlet that we had in Canada many years ago was called The Sun News Network with Ezra Levant being it's creator. It lasted for so long, and then was gone. Pretty much freedom of speech in Canada has all but disappeared. It is we the conservative people who are the ones on lock down now thanks to King Trudeau and his lefty liberal gang of liberal Canada haters. Aw well. What more can be said. :unsure: