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Canada's NATO shell game , guess how much we spend ?


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Just now, Boges said:

You said that Russia and Germany should have fought it out and the UK and France should have sat there with Popcorn. 

Ignoring years of Nazi aggression and invasion of Poland. Germany and the USSR partitioned Poland off. They were allies in 1940. 

There's a reason Neville Chamberlin is seen by history as a capitulator and Winston Churchill is seen as hero.

Chamberlin tried to make peace with Germany. . . and it didn't work. 

 Winston Churchill was a warmonger, he just wanted a do over after his humiliation in the Dardanelles

Britain and France could have just stayed out of it and avoided the whole calamity, but they were paranoid that Germany was going to take Suez

 

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2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

 Winston Churchill was a warmonger, he just wanted a do over after his humiliation in the Dardanelles

Britain and France could have just stayed out of it and avoided the whole calamity, but they were paranoid that Germany was going to take Suez

1) That's a reasonable fear. It required a huge campaign in North Africa to stop that. 

2) They tried to stay out of it until Poland was invaded.

It's extraordinary hindsight to claim Hilter would have stopped at Poland. He wanted to avenge the embarrassment of the Treaty of Versaille. That meant going after France. 

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5 minutes ago, Boges said:

1) That's a reasonable fear. 

2) They tried to stay out of it until they invaded Poland. 

It's extraordinary hindsight to claim Hilter would have stopped at Poland. He wanted to avenge the embarrassment of the Treaty of Versaille. That meant going after France. 

Hitler only went after France because they declared war,

France could have easily avoided it by telling Hitler they had no interest in Poland and were supportive of him fighting Stalin

Bear in mind, at first, Britain and France were backing Hitler against Mussolini, because Italy was trying to take Suez

All the British and French cared about was their empires, through Suez, they didn't care about Eastern Europe.

The only reason they declared war on Germany, is because Hitler flipped sides and joined Mussolini in the Pact of Steel

This is why so many Canadians were killed as cannon fodder in Italy, to defend the Empire, by way of defending Suez from the Axis.

America wanted to go straight to Berlin through France, Churchill diverted things to Italy trying to save the Raj in India.

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2 minutes ago, Boges said:

You're acting like Canada spends nothing on their military. 

They're still top 15. And I doubt Canadians would support the several billion required while still running a deficit. 

Canada has fudged it's numbers for all to long now, adding crap that does not even belong to the military, like emergency and preparedness Canada entire budget comes out of DND coffers  the article I posted accounts for 5 bil in expenses that are questionable, take that off the top and you'll see Canada slips even further into the arrears. DND has cut back on so many things to make ends meet, like training, what was considered normal was 8 months out of the year all units would be training , today you may get out once or twice a year for a few weeks...

Lets not kid ourselves Canadians don't give a rats ass about our military....except when it comes to funding, then its shut the front door...as far as deficit go's how long are you going to use that excuse...another 50, 100 years...we are always going to be running deficits...our man Justin spent some what 15 bil before the election and how much did he commit during the election, one could ask where is this money coming from... Justins piggy bank... nope it's coming out of yours and mine piggy bank...so if we don't mind a little spending why should spending 200 bil on our military matter... Ss Australia and see how much they are reseeding their military for, well over 100 bil already has been accounted for with many more projects to come...and their military was and is better equipped than ours...

next question you should be asking is  would you send your daughter or son to fight in the equipment we have now...just ask those on the eve of WWI what the cost of sending a volunteer army into battle without the proper gear or training....and if that lesson was paid attention to during the out break of WWII ask them if it was worth the cost our citizens paid... i'm just guessing but I would say no my son and daughters are worth more than that..

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23 minutes ago, Boges said:

Says the guy who doesn't know basic facts about WW2. 

Russia can certainly regain its military might. As noted by Argus, they and China have cheap labour. 

They have already begun to rebuild, both of them, all one has to do is check out a few sites, china has some of the best naval ships in the world, in some cases out classing US naval ships...infact if you check Russia and China both have naval ships in numbers in the top 10 frigates, destroyers and cruisers, lacking in aircraft carriers but china is building them...both countries can project power when required to do so...

If you take a look at what the US navy priority is right now today and they will say the pacific and china and Russian fleets. Talk to Australia and ask them who they are rebuilding their military for...they'll say China..US naval sources have already told the media that in 2025 china will have a naval advantage that they may not be able to counter effectually….the US  have just order 29 bil in new attack subs for that reason...

Take a look at ground forces their equipment is almost on par to most of what the west can place on the battle field, combine that with numbers... 

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22 minutes ago, Boges said:

You're acting like Canada spends nothing on their military. 

It lies about what it spends.

Canada has a dozen 40 year old ships, not counting the four subs that don't work, about sixty 40 year old fighters, and maybe 3500 soldiers. That's the totality of what we can supply to our allies at need. The money we spend on the actual military (as opposed to, say, the coast guard, even though we count what we spend on the coast guard) goes to legions of paper pushers in Ottawa. When we do buy gear for the military it is the most expensive in the world because we insist on making it here under contract to whomever offers the party in power the most graft. How much are we intending to spend on each little frigate? Five billion or something? Probably wind up being that much before they're done. Lots of profits for the Irvings in that! Lots of jobs for ex-Liberal MPs and cabinet ministers in Irving Industries after their political lives are done! Mind you, we've also got the 'slushbreakers', which will be small, mostly unarmed, slow 'patrol boats' the navy never asked for and doesn't want or need. They'll be entirely useless in any sort of military conflict and should not even be considered military vessels. The only purpose for building them is as a make-work scheme and more profits for the Irvings. Whether they work or serve any purpose is not considered relevent.

But Canada will claim it's spending that money on the military. It's not. It's spending it on graft and make-work programs and vote-buying. Same for our frigates, should they ever wind up being built, and whatever new fighters we eventually buy, some time in the next twenty years or so. The vast majority of all capital costs for the military is graft and vote buying.

Canada is basically no use to anyone in a military alliance.

22 minutes ago, Boges said:

They're still top 15. And I doubt Canadians would support the several billion required while still running a deficit.

Top 15, eh? Phhht. Just because we're more corrupt than others doesn't make us better.

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This is how our PM acts with other world leaders, like a high school kid in the parking lot....I hope you liberals are proud of your new mascot....I know we are

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/matt-gurney-trudeau-just-couldnt-resist-needling-trump-even-though-trump-is-absolutely-right/ar-BBXKY3R

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This is how our liberal government is living up to it's promises on military spending....come on, even you liberal voters can see there is something wrong here...

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/ottawa-failed-to-spend-almost-dollar8b-in-promised-defence-cash-over-recent-years/ar-BBXKlsF

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5 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=canada

We are rabked 21 out of 137 in the power index.  Our lack of land strength is what holds us back, which is due to our climate and lack of population.  

WTF, try again...most of the nations we are above has a more modern military with capabilities we could only dream of...

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13 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

WTF, try again...most of the nations we are above has a more modern military with capabilities we could only dream of...

There's no point in arguing with these clowns, Canadians know it all, they never served a day in uniform, but they will tell you how it is

What the fuck do you know ?  30 years in the army ?  You don't know shit, these Canadians will tell you, they know everything.

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1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

This guy knows, don't question his vast military knowledge, he's Canadian, they know everything.

Sometimes international liberalism is good. It produced a generation of pacifists, and we don't end up in useless wars.

No one wants war, except the special interests.

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Just now, ProudConservative said:

Sometimes international liberalism is good. It produced a generation of pacifists, and we don't end up in useless wars.

No one wants war, except the special interests.

Of course, Canadians know everything about everything, nobody is more knowledgeable about these subjects than Canadians, I defer to your expertise

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6 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

That's how guys like Da Vinci came to prominence in the renaissance.  ;)

Well it's the apart of liberalism, I respect... Welcome to the backpack generation. It's very hard to get them to hate people overseas...Maybe multiculturalism is a good thing. Listen to these guys from Pakistan. They have the right idea. Music will bring us together.

 

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34 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

There's no point in arguing with these clowns, Canadians know it all, they never served a day in uniform, but they will tell you how it is

What the fuck do you know ?  30 years in the army ?  You don't know shit, these Canadians will tell you, they know everything.

What did you do  . . . . Logistics Officer or ?

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5 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What did you do  . . . . Logistics Officer or ?

The liberals have kepted us from being nuked. It's good enough for me.

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