Boges Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: America has more friendly ways too. America's soft power dwarves Chinese soft power, and they also have more hard power to go with it, it's not either or, you can do both and America does both far better than China. Fair enough. But brow beating Liberal democracies into spending more than, perhaps their mandate would like, only plays into the likes of Russia and China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Red China is a serious military threat simply due to their bottomless soldier supply...but that's more a regional threat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 8 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed, as Trump's main target is Germany, which benefits the most (including trade with Russia) while spending far less on defense. Current German defense spending levels are now about 20% of West Germany before the great "peace dividend" slashed EU spending. Trump's favourite weapon is trade tariffs, just as he did with Canada and Mexico for NAFTA...he can't directly force the NATO deadbeats to spend more, but he can make it painful. The post WW2 "grand bargain" is coming to an end, but it is much more about Europe and the EU than tiny Canada, which must rely on collective defense no matter what the spending levels. Canada could diminish Trump's NATO deadbeat rhetoric by procuring the F-35 JSF, and milk that for all it's worth. Canada has made itself irrelevant, they think they are a "valued trading partner" when in fact they are a protectionist competitor. They think they are "valued military ally" when they are laughing stock free rider. The consequences will be economic as America simply freezes them out. It's too late to save the Canadian Forces though, it's collapsed beyond the point of no return, the nabobs in Ottawa and their state run media just decline to admit it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Fair enough. But brow beating Liberal democracies into spending more than, perhaps their mandate would like, only plays into the likes of Russia and China. How does getting American allies to beef up their military play into Russia or China's hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Red China is a serious military threat simply due to their bottomless soldier supply...but that's more a regional threat. They're a threat to Canada asymmetrically though, the Chinese are subjugating Canada by bribery, not tanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: They're a threat to Canada asymmetrically though, the Chinese are subjugating Canada by bribery, not tanks. Oh goodness yes...the wee bastards are are everywhere in BC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: How does getting American allies to beef up their military play into Russia or China's hands? It plays into their hands that he's sowing discord amongst NATO. When 911 happened the US invoked Article 5 and to a man NATO has their backs. Now Trump is waffling on it. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-declines-to-affirm-natos-article-5/528129/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: They're a threat to Canada asymmetrically though, the Chinese are subjugating Canada by bribery, not tanks. America could just outbribe them very easily, but it isn't worth the expenditure, so F*ck Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Boges said: It plays into their hands that he's sowing discord amongst NATO. When 911 happened the US invoked Article 5 and to a man NATO has their backs. Now Trump is waffling on it. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-declines-to-affirm-natos-article-5/528129/ He is not sowing discord, he is asking them to live up to deal they agreed to. They are the one's sowing discord, not America. Edited December 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Oh goodness yes...the wee bastards are are everywhere in BC. No those Chinese, most of them are fleeing Beijing. Beijing goes straight to Ottawa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 8 hours ago, jacee said: We don't need no stinkin' wars. We don't need Canada, which is how Canada is about to find itself in no man's land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: No those Chinese, most of them are fleeing Beijing. Beijing goes straight to Ottawa. Uhhhh...no they aren't. They're Red Chinese buying property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: He is not sowing discord, he is asking them to live up to deal they agreed to. They are the one's sowing discord, not America. And as I mentioned, the 2% benchmark is as useless as emissions pledges. Only the US take it seriously because of their Military Industrial Complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Uhhhh...no they aren't. They're Red Chinese buying property. How do you know they are Reds ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Boges said: And as I mentioned, the 2% benchmark is as useless as emissions pledges. Only the US take it seriously because of their Military Industrial Complex. Then disband NATO, eh? Edited December 4, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Boges said: And as I mentioned, the 2% benchmark is as useless as emissions pledges. Only the US take it seriously because of their Military Industrial Complex. America doesn't take it seriously, they just want to nudge them closer to that direction is all, by pretending to take it seriously, outrageous opening offer. Why shouldn't they? Edited December 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: How do you know they are Reds ? Because they're from Communist China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Because they're from Communist China. If they are moving their capital to Canada, that is flight in contravention of Beijing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Then disband NATO, eh? Putin will be thrilled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Then disband NATO, eh? Yes, it's obsolete, the Russians are not the Soviets, there is no more Fulda Gap, America does not need NATO anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Putin will be thrilled. Apparently he'll be thrilled if other countries don't carry their weight either. Apparently Putin wins no matter what according to you. Whatever Trump does, Putin somehow wins, that way you can pretend he's secretly Putin's puppet and everything he does is to help Putin. Edited December 4, 2019 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: If they are moving their capital to Canada, that is flight in contravention of Beijing. You seem unaware that Red China launders money via the BC housing market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Apparently he'll be thrilled if other countries don't carry their weight either. Apparently Putin wins no matter what according to you. Boges sees everything through the lens of Trump Derangement Syndrome, it's like he's retarded, he can't even function without his TDS, lulz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Boges said: Putin will be thrilled. If it has no use...get rid of it. If it has no use... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted December 4, 2019 Report Share Posted December 4, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: You seem unaware that Red China launders money via the BC housing market. Why would Beijing need to launder money ? If somebody is laundering money, that is to hide it from Beijing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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