What Do You Dislike the Most About the Liberals?

[Guest ProudConservative]

Those Sask folks are the most conservative Canadians you will ever meat. I remember my Great Uncle sujesting we should strip mine northern Saskatchewan for Uranium and sell it to the world. I asked about Cancer, and he said... That will after them when they're older, I'm sure they would love $30 an hour jobs.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, ProudConservative said:

Is the law still on the books. Can we still hang a corrupt politician for Treason?

No, the penalty is life imprisonment under Canada law.

[Argus]

11 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

My family in Saskatchewan thinks different. I asked a bunch of great uncles what they thought about Trudeau, and they told me "Hang Em for Treason".

And this is evidence of what other than your great uncles being old and senile?

[Argus]

12 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Those Sask folks are the most conservative Canadians you will ever meat.

Being conservative means respecting and protecting traditions and values, and that includes the rule of law and democracy.  So politicians do stupid things from time to time, or even often? Is this supposed to be a surprise? They always have. We don't imprison them for it. That's not part of our traditions or values.

And if Trudeau is damaging the country he has a hell of a lot of accomplices - everyone who votes for him. You want to hang them all?

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Being conservative means respecting and protecting traditions and values, and that includes the rule of law and democracy.  So politicians do stupid things from time to time, or even often? Is this supposed to be a surprise? They always have. We don't imprison them for it. That's not part of our traditions or values.

And if Trudeau is damaging the country he has a hell of a lot of accomplices - everyone who votes for him. You want to hang them all?

I never said I want to hang Trudeau, I just said... a few people i've met from Saskatchewan do.

I wasn't happy when Rebel Media went around Ottawa with a Jumbotron truck, asking for Trudeau to go to prison.

I think Rebel Media sometimes gives conservatives a bad name.

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by ProudConservative

[taxme]

On 11/21/2019 at 7:14 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

You do realize that if the three prairie provinces plus western Canada (BC) separate, the power will reside in the Left coast. You will have frequent liberal and NDP governments. Both Saskatchewan and Manitoba have strong NDP bases so I doubt we would see many Conservative governments. The real power source for the Conservatives lies in Ontario and Quebec.

I cannot vote in your poll because the selection of answers does not have enough choices. I do not hate the Liberals or the Conservatives (except for the Reform / Socialist Credit wing) or the NDP. I have always been a life long Progressive Conservative but politics is a sport. Democracy depends upon the players not taking it too seriously. 

1. True about BC. The left coast is full of leftist liberals and NDP socialists, and then there is the environmentalists that will continue to try and wreck the economy of BC and the other three provinces if we all separated from Quebec and Ottawa. Real and true conservatism in Canada is pretty much dead. Canada is now a home for liberal and socialist loving people. And with more new immigrants coming from the third world countries by the hundreds of thousands every year, they will not be voting for conservatives as much as they will be voting for the liberals and the NDP. Canadians lost their chance to save Canada by giving the finger to Maxine Bernier. IMHO, I believe that those new immigrants are no doubt the reason why the conservatives did not win the election, and probably never will win an election anymore. At least federally. Even Parizeau of the PQ way back when said that he lost his referendum to the ethnic vote. If you think that this is your country, well soon it will not be anymore. But nobody really cares anyway, eh? Democracy must be taking seriously, otherwise the elite will try to wipe we the people out. As the people in Hong Kong how they feel about trying to protect and save their freedom from communist China trying to take it away from them.  

If I could have, I would have ticked off all five. I could think of five more questions I would have asked. Immigration being one of them. That should of been a question in there. Aw well. 

Edited November 24, 2019 by taxme

[taxme]

1 hour ago, ProudConservative said:

I never said I want to hang Trudeau, I just said... a few people i've met from Saskatchewan do.

I wasn't happy when Rebel Media went around Ottawa with a Jumbotron truck, asking for Trudeau to go to prison.

I think Rebel Media sometimes gives conservatives a bad name.

 

Well, someone has to tell the truth. Your Scheer conservative party will never tell the truth. Trudeau has committed many offences against the laws of Canada and has got away with them all where you and I would not be able to do so. We would be off to the Canadian gulag. The establishment globalist elite look after their own, and that is why Trudeau is still the prime mistake of Canada today. 

At least with The Rebel we do get to know and learn about the rest and other side of the story that the bought off Canadian media will never tell us. Trudeau deserves to go to jail. He is a criminal by the looks of all the things that he has been caught doing too and with the taxpayer's tax dollars. 

It is the conservatives that give themselves a bad name. They stand for nothing but more of the same that Trudeau has and now will be giving us for the next four years. Besides, your progressive liberal conservative leaders and party members are not a real and true conservative party anyway, as far as I am concerned. I see no difference between Trudeau's policies and Scheer's policies. The PPC is a real and true conservative party. 

[taxme]

On 11/23/2019 at 10:33 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

Most trans people don't realize what the problem is until they nearly or past 20. It is not a choice. Would you choose to get a royal shit kicking everyday? Often the first remedy chosen by someone with gender dysphoria is suicide.

Transition is a big step. Before re-assignment surgery, (in Canada) you need to be an adult and are required live a full year as the gender you will be transitioning to under the supervision of a psychiatrist. Finally, you go to Montreal to the Menard Clinic. I don't know what the cost is now but it was about $30,000 for basic male to female transition. Female to male was about $40,000. So, you arrive at the clinic where you spend a month for assessment where you are given time to ensure it is what you really want. Finally, the surguery is painful and you take a month to recover. Children do not undergo Sex reassignment surgery in Canada. Anyone going through that experience is doing so out of neccessity, not some whim.

Menard is not the only clinic providing this care but it is the one I am familiar with. The others follow the same protocals. If you are a member of the Canadian Forces, the costs are covered by DND.

So, if a Canadian Forces man or woman wants to have a sex change, it will be the Canadian taxpayer's that will be covering and paying for their sex change. The Canadian taxpayer's should not be paying for anyone's sex change. If they want a sex change, well, let them pay for it themselves. I already pay a hell of a lot of taxes for so many unnecessary leftist liberal socialist programs and agendas that I do not approve of, and never had a say in any of them that have been forced on me. 

I have noticed many times on TV where many gay men or lesbian women appearing to be quite happy still living as a man or a woman but acting very much like a woman or a butch in how they walk and talk. They do not appear to be desiring to go and have a sex change from a man into a woman or vice-versa. Blowing $30,000-$40,000 on a sex change is a hell of a lot of money to be spending on such nonsense.  Just saying. 

[Nefarious Banana]

Are federal inmates able to have the costs covered for a sex change . . .?

[Guest ProudConservative]

12 minutes ago, taxme said:

So, if a Canadian Forces man or woman wants to have a sex change, it will be the Canadian taxpayer's that will be covering and paying for their sex change. The Canadian taxpayer's should not be paying for anyone's sex change. If they want a sex change, well, let them pay for it themselves. I already pay a hell of a lot of taxes for so many unnecessary leftist liberal socialist programs and agendas that I do not approve of, and never had a say in any of them that have been forced on me. 

I have noticed many times on TV where many gay men or lesbian women appearing to be quite happy still living as a man or a woman but acting very much like a woman or a butch in how they walk and talk. They do not appear to be desiring to go and have a sex change from a man into a woman or vice-versa. Blowing $30,000-$40,000 on a sex change is a hell of a lot of money to be spending on such nonsense.  Just saying. 

It's not just that... Don't you think you have the right as a man... to know if the person your taking home is a biological man? If you make one mistake, than you're homosexual for life. Where is the warning label, that the person might be transgender. I guess we can't give them a laser tattoo, for identification?

With state of the art technology, no one's going to be able to tell who's truely a boy or girl.

They can turn penises into perfect vaginas.... and not everyone has a personal ultersound to check for ovaries.

Hetrosexual men, have the right to know...

And what if a resturant owner, doesn't want to hire a transgender waitress, because he thinks it would make his customers uncomfortable?

Why should he be sued for employment discrimination?

If I owned a business, it would be a liability to have a transgender person dealing with customers.

Where's might right to make a profit, and not scare the customers away?

Edited November 25, 2019 by ProudConservative

[taxme]

10 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Are federal inmates able to have the costs covered for a sex change . . .?

According to website "Lifesitenews.com" a Canadian court orders prisons to pay for sex change operations if the sex change is essential for a particular inmate, whatever that means, and it will be paid for by Correctional Services Canada or in other words the taxpayer's of Canada will be paying for it. No doubt that the judge who changed the law had to be a leftist liberal appointed activist judge. Your tax dollars at work. Lucky guy. Lol.

[taxme]

26 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

It's not just that... Don't you think you have the right as a man... to know if the person your taking home is a biological man? If you make one mistake, than you're homosexual for life. Where is the warning label, that the person might be transgender. I guess we can't give them a laser tattoo, for identification?

With state of the art technology, no one's going to be able to tell who's truely a boy or girl.

They can turn penises into perfect vaginas.... and not everyone has a personal ultersound to check for ovaries.

Hetrosexual men, have the right to know...

And what if a resturant owner, doesn't want to hire a transgender waitress, because he thinks it would make his customers uncomfortable?

Why should he be sued for employment discrimination?

If I owned a business, it would be a liability to have a transgender person dealing with customers.

Where's might right to make a profit, and not scare the customers away?

1. I agree. I certainly would want to know if the girl that I am dating was once a man. It should be a law for those people who switch that they must by law tell their new mates. Of course, the Human Rights Kangaroo Court would probably say that it would be wrong to force them to tell their new mates. Their privacy and rights may be violated, and so must be protected. The HRC likes to protect those kinds of people's rights. Their new mate need not know. 

2. Welcome to the new Sodom and Gomorrah presented to you by the leftist liberal and socialist governments of Canada. 

3. That is amazing that they are able to do such a thing. Heterosexual men or women do have a right to know. But will our politically correct politicians give it to them?

4. What the restaurant owner make think about it, is of no importance to the lawless government. Hire the trans guy or gal or else you will be charged with discrimination. When I am served by some very evident gay cook or server, I worry that he may have touched or breathed on my food. This is not the old real and true conservative Canada that we are living in anymore. We are now living in a liberal/socialist messed up Canada now. Better get use to it because there is more to come. Beastiality, incest, and pedophilia will soon be legalized in Canada. It's just a matter of time. Sad. 

5. I would not want to own a business in Canada. With so many rules and regulations and taxes to have to deal with, I am amazed that people are still able to open up a business and keep it up and running in Canada. And the more employees one has, the worse it must be for the owners of any business. It's not the customers that an owner should be concerned about, it's the leftist governments in Canada that they must be aware of and watch out for. But hey, what more can be said, eh? 

[Guest ProudConservative]

9 hours ago, taxme said:

1. I agree. I certainly would want to know if the girl that I am dating was once a man. It should be a law for those people who switch that they must by law tell their new mates. Of course, the Human Rights Kangaroo Court would probably say that it would be wrong to force them to tell their new mates. Their privacy and rights may be violated, and so must be protected. The HRC likes to protect those kinds of people's rights. Their new mate need not know. 

2. Welcome to the new Sodom and Gomorrah presented to you by the leftist liberal and socialist governments of Canada. 

3. That is amazing that they are able to do such a thing. Heterosexual men or women do have a right to know. But will our politically correct politicians give it to them?

4. What the restaurant owner make think about it, is of no importance to the lawless government. Hire the trans guy or gal or else you will be charged with discrimination. When I am served by some very evident gay cook or server, I worry that he may have touched or breathed on my food. This is not the old real and true conservative Canada that we are living in anymore. We are now living in a liberal/socialist messed up Canada now. Better get use to it because there is more to come. Beastiality, incest, and pedophilia will soon be legalized in Canada. It's just a matter of time. Sad. 

5. I would not want to own a business in Canada. With so many rules and regulations and taxes to have to deal with, I am amazed that people are still able to open up a business and keep it up and running in Canada. And the more employees one has, the worse it must be for the owners of any business. It's not the customers that an owner should be concerned about, it's the leftist governments in Canada that they must be aware of and watch out for. But hey, what more can be said, eh? 

This is why transgender conversion should be banned. It's unfair for heterosexual guys, not to know if the person they're talking to is a boy or girl. Why should a guy be paranoid, checking for adams apples, every time her goes to the bar?

Don't we have the right to enjoy a night out, without having to worry about accidentily becoming homosexual? Even if a guy stares at a person he thinks is a woman, he will lose his reputation is anyone finds out that person man. I guess men have no rights in Canada.

I was on another forum, where some transgender woman was bragging about how he sucked a few guys off, without them even realizing he was a man. To the transgender community, fooling straight guys is like a spectator sport.

The porn industry is willfully trying to normalize incest. On Pornhub, 5 Trending videos on the mainpage are Incest Porn. It's all to prepare us to accept what's coming.

You're right. Incest is next in the bag. Watch this 5 year old report from Russia Today. This isn't fake news.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2019 by ProudConservative

[taxme]

10 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

This is why transgender conversion should be banned. It's unfair for heterosexual guys, not to know if the person they're talking to is a boy or girl. Why should a guy be paranoid, checking for adams apples, every time her goes to the bar?

Don't we have the right to enjoy a night out, without having to worry about accidentily becoming homosexual? Even if a guy stares at a person he thinks is a woman, he will lose his reputation is anyone finds out that person man. I guess men have no rights in Canada.

I was on another forum, where some transgender woman was bragging about how he sucked a few guys off, without them even realizing he was a man. To the transgender community, fooling straight guys is like a spectator sport.

The porn industry is willfully trying to normalize incest. On Pornhub, 5 Trending videos on the mainpage are Incest Porn. It's all to prepare us to accept what's coming.

You're right. Incest is next in the bag. Watch this 5 year old report from Russia Today. This isn't fake news.

 

 

 

All of this feminism, incest, the promotion of the gay/trans lifestyle are all just attacks on the straight/heterosexual family lifestyle. As the video pointed out, children from an incest relationship do end up with some kind of mental issues. I can guarantee you that Putin will never try and destroy the heterosexual family. Russia will keep out the promotion of homosexuality in Russia as long as Putin stays in power. Putin is encouraging more Russian straight families to have more children and to promote the heterosexual family unit. Too bad that our dear leaders do not try and do the same thing here in Canada rather than trying to increase our immigration levels by a million every three years, and an increase in our not needed population. Putin is just like Trump. Both have taken on the deep state. I fear for the world when Trump has to give up his presidency and maybe lose it to liberalism/socialism/communism which they will surely get if the people keep voting in those fools as they recently just did with putting Trudeau back in power.

Was the world under those ism's been all that great since we had those three ism's in place for the past 60 years? NOPE. Since old man Trudeau took power in 1980, this country has gone steadily downwards towards liberal socialism/communism ever since. In order for the likes of Trudeau and Soros to take back control of world they must brainwash our youth in schools. Even the NDP wants to lower the voting age to 16 here in BC because the socialists know that young adults are their future and can be easily manipulated and brainwashed into believing in global cooling, or is it global warming, or is it climate change, or is it now being called climate disruption because at that age what really do they know about global anything politics? They appear to only know as to how to hold and use a cellphone, and get together and play XBOX games. Liberalism is a disease and must be eradicated. Works for me. 

[Guest ProudConservative]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

 

All of this feminism, incest, the promotion of the gay/trans lifestyle are all just attacks on the straight/heterosexual family lifestyle. As the video pointed out, children from an incest relationship do end up with some kind of mental issues. I can guarantee you that Putin will never try and destroy the heterosexual family. Russia will keep out the promotion of homosexuality in Russia as long as Putin stays in power. Putin is encouraging more Russian straight families to have more children and to promote the heterosexual family unit. Too bad that our dear leaders do not try and do the same thing here in Canada rather than trying to increase our immigration levels by a million every three years, and an increase in our not needed population. Putin is just like Trump. Both have taken on the deep state. I fear for the world when Trump has to give up his presidency and maybe lose it to liberalism/socialism/communism which they will surely get if the people keep voting in those fools as they recently just did with putting Trudeau back in power.

Was the world under those ism's been all that great since we had those three ism's in place for the past 60 years? NOPE. Since old man Trudeau took power in 1980, this country has gone steadily downwards towards liberal socialism/communism ever since. In order for the likes of Trudeau and Soros to take back control of world they must brainwash our youth in schools. Even the NDP wants to lower the voting age to 16 here in BC because the socialists know that young adults are their future and can be easily manipulated and brainwashed into believing in global cooling, or is it global warming, or is it climate change, or is it now being called climate disruption because at that age what really do they know about global anything politics? They appear to only know as to how to hold and use a cellphone, and get together and play XBOX games. Liberalism is a disease and must be eradicated. Works for me. 

And this MOFO Pedophile, wrote the Kathleen Wynne sex ed program. I don't see the Toronto Star, thanking Doug Ford for repealing Wynne's sex ed.

He went to prison for 3 years, for making child pornography.

As soon as he was convicted, the sex curriculum should of been examined under the Supreme court of Canada for undue influence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Levin_(academic)

 

 

Here's the CBC trying to cover his ass. And of course... we the people can't have a opinion, or it's a thought crime... As usual the CBC disabled the comments. Our tax dollars hard work.

 

Edited November 25, 2019 by ProudConservative

[taxme]

5 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

And this MOFO Pedophile, wrote the Kathleen Wynne sex ed program. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Levin_(academic)

And here I thought that anyone with a college or university degree had more class than an uneducated pedophile person? I thought that most people with their U/C education would be above, and have the smarts of not having child pornography on his computer. I guess that is why Wynne had him in her Marxist pro-gay pedophile cabinet. It's no wonder that the promotion of the gay sex perverted lifestyle went so big in Ontario. They had a pedophile promoted to the Education Ministry, and who was in charge of running the education department in Ontario. One really has to feel sorry for the children in our Canadian schools today. They are constantly being brainwashed with sex programs and agendas, and even get to see a real transvestite come to their schools to try and show them that the way I dress up is cool. Canada has become one hell hole of a country thanks to the promotion of the leftist liberal/socialist/communist disgraceful Marxist programs and agendas that have been forced on we the people by a bunch of sick and perverted politicians that have made Canada appear to be one new and big Sodom and Gomorrah, and there is no doubt, more of this is on the way. The legalization of incest is just around the corner. Aw well, what more can be said about Canada, eh? 

[Guest ProudConservative]

6 minutes ago, taxme said:

And here I thought that anyone with a college or university degree had more class than an uneducated pedophile person? I thought that most people with their U/C education would be above, and have the smarts of not having child pornography on his computer. I guess that is why Wynne had him in her Marxist pro-gay pedophile cabinet. It's no wonder that the promotion of the gay sex perverted lifestyle went so big in Ontario. They had a pedophile promoted to the Education Ministry, and who was in charge of running the education department in Ontario. One really has to feel sorry for the children in our Canadian schools today. They are constantly being brainwashed with sex programs and agendas, and even get to see a real transvestite come to their schools to try and show them that the way I dress up is cool. Canada has become one hell hole of a country thanks to the promotion of the leftist liberal/socialist/communist disgraceful Marxist programs and agendas that have been forced on we the people by a bunch of sick and perverted politicians that have made Canada appear to be one new and big Sodom and Gomorrah, and there is no doubt, more of this is on the way. The legalization of incest is just around the corner. Aw well, what more can be said about Canada, eh? 

I don't think you understand... He didn't just have Child pornography on his computer... He was having child porn produced in his house.

When we're fighting an enemy this big, sometimes we don't have the luxery of choosing our allies. We must unite with the Muslims on this one.

Got to love a hot conservative girl

 

Edited November 25, 2019 by ProudConservative

[cannuck]

Just for a frame of reference check: remember that Conservative Canada had a church full of pedophiles running orphanages and residential schools and protected them for decades.

[Guest ProudConservative]

Make sure to turn up the sound. This is the only video I could find. Liberals are soo terrified of being intolerant, that they will say anything to seem progressive.

 

Edited November 25, 2019 by ProudConservative

[taxme]

20 hours ago, cannuck said:

Just for a frame of reference check: remember that Conservative Canada had a church full of pedophiles running orphanages and residential schools and protected them for decades.

It was not the conservatives that were involved in those schools and orphanages. It was the french Catholic liberal church that was involved in those two evils mentioned above. Just remember this. There were hundreds of baby bones found on some Catholic church grounds in Quebec. There were no baby bones found on Protestant church grounds anywhere in Canada as far as I know. 

Where have you ever seen a conservative promote the gay and trans lifestyle? It has been the liberals and socialists who have been behind the push for more sexual depravity to be installed in Canada. It is the conservatives that are trying to put an end to this depravity or shove it back in the closet where it does belong.  

[taxme]

21 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

Make sure to turn up the sound. This is the only video I could find. Liberals are soo terrified of being intolerant, that they will say anything to seem progressive.

 

Hey, I think that once Canada legalizes incest in Canada, which should be very soon now, I can see this word "incestphobia" as the next new word to be promoted by the liberals/socialists in Canada, and which will then be applied to those who would be against incest. It looks like I am going to have to accept another word applied to me because of my conservative values. Lol.

I knew incest would be the next big push by the liberals/socialists. I predict that before Trudeau's reign of dictatorship is over incest will be legal in Canada. Maybe Trudeau might be even able to squeeze in and get pedophilia and beastiality legalized in Canada before he departs in the next election, if he departs at all. A scary thought is that he could be in for another four years after the next election thanks to some of the Canadian Joe and Mary six packs out there who must truly believe that Trudeau is God's gift to them. Hey, you never know, eh? As I have said already, Canada will soon become another Sodom and Gomorrah. There can be no doubt about that happening. Just my opinion of course. 

[taxme]

22 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

I don't think you understand... He didn't just have Child pornography on his computer... He was having child porn produced in his house.

When we're fighting an enemy this big, sometimes we don't have the luxery of choosing our allies. We must unite with the Muslims on this one.

Got to love a hot conservative girl

 

Wow-wee? Let's get all those young kiddies out there in kindergarten and school, and get them to learn how to do the "twerk".  They will need to know how to do the twerk if they want to make it in Canada. Lol.

I will never work with Muslims because of their religion that says that I am an infidel because I am not a Muslim. How dare they say such a thing to me. Why work with Muslims who only care about their 10th century archaic religion and nothing else. Working with Muslims will give them even more fuel for the fire to try and destroy this infidel country, and for them to make and turn Canada into an Islamic country. The bigger they get in population, the more influence they will obtain.

If I am not mistaken, aren't the people of Afghanistan Muslim, and what I have read, Afghanistan soldiers use children as soldiers and for sex. Afghan is no better than what they say we infidels in the west are. Muslims do not have a monopoly on morality. Think twice about you saying that we infidels should work with Muslims. And with the liberals in power, with the help of the NDP, for another four more years, Canada will become more Islamic every day. 

PS: Some 200 hundred Subway restaurants in America got rid of ham and bacon in their menus because of complaints from Muslim groups who found those meats to be offensive too them. Those Subways now uses Halal blessed meat alternatives instead. This is just the start of the takeover of North America. Hello out there? 

Edited November 26, 2019 by taxme

[Argus]

23 hours ago, cannuck said:

Just for a frame of reference check: remember that Conservative Canada had a church full of pedophiles running orphanages and residential schools and protected them for decades.

Really? The Conservative party was in power that entire time, was it?

BTW, the studies I've seen show the number of pedophile priests in the Catholic church was the same as society.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Argus

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

BTW, the studies I've seen show the number of pedophile priests in the Catholic church was the same as society.

Agreed   As a sexual orientation, pedophilia rates tend to be similar across all groups, same with homosexuality.  Sexual orientations are not driven by choice, which is why pedophiles are so resistant to treatment.  They are one of the two groups I think should be permanently locked up, the other being violent sociopaths.

 

[cannuck]

6 hours ago, taxme said:

It was not the conservatives that were involved in those schools and orphanages. It was the french Catholic liberal church that was involved in those two evils mentioned above. Just remember this. There were hundreds of baby bones found on some Catholic church grounds in Quebec. There were no baby bones found on Protestant church grounds anywhere in Canada as far as I know. 

Where have you ever seen a conservative promote the gay and trans lifestyle? It has been the liberals and socialists who have been behind the push for more sexual depravity to be installed in Canada. It is the conservatives that are trying to put an end to this depravity or shove it back in the closet where it does belong.  

Hate to have to tell you this, but this was NOT confined to Quebec.  It was a national disgrace hosted by every political party for several decades.