Kenney Picks Fight with Ottawa to Make Himself Look Good

[cougar]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

 They appear to be the problem, and not the solution. 

I am not in the government to create problems for you, buddy. 

I lack any power to make any change, so I can only laugh when you see me as a problem.

[taxme]

10 minutes ago, cougar said:

I am not in the government to create problems for you, buddy. 

I lack any power to make any change, so I can only laugh when you see me as a problem.

Let me just say that I am quite happy to see that you do not work for the government who is always out there trying to make problems and trouble for me. 

Hey, if one votes liberal or socialist, well to me, they are the problem, and they will never be able to solve any problems that they create. Those fools tend to create more problems, and then those fools try and pretend that they are going to try and fix the problem. Those fools could not fix a broken wooden leg on a lemonade stand without making a mess of things which in the end will have cost me the taxpayer five hundred tax dollars to fix, when I could have fixed it for five dollars, with no charge. Government "IS' always the problem, and never the solution. What can be fixed for ten bucks, if the government tries to fix it, it will cost the taxpayer ten times that much to get it fixed. Our politicians spend money like they truly do believe that money grows on trees. 

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, cougar said:

This article is written so people like you can feel good about their imaginary standard of life.

We are not very far ahead of China and our standard of life is going down while theirs is going up.

Didn't they just have an outbreak of the plague?

Maybe it was just in the concentration camps.

[Cannucklehead]

54 minutes ago, cougar said:

This article is written so people like you can feel good about their imaginary standard of life.

We are not very far ahead of China and our standard of life is going down while theirs is going up.

 

See if the ministry of labour would allow something like that and talk to me.  

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

This article is written so people like you can feel good about their imaginary standard of life.

We are not very far ahead of China and our standard of life is going down while theirs is going up.

You’re completely delusional cougar. The standard of living in Canada is quite high enough for anyone to be happy about.

I have never taken that for granted, that’s why I think that it is worth protecting.

And FYI I don’t get my kicks from schadenfreude, if people in China are happy that does not bother me the least little bit.

Everything that you have posted here in this thread shows that you have absolutely no clue about what life is like on this planet for a lot of people, how good you personally have it, and yet somehow you know even less about the economy. 

[cougar]

35 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Everything that you have posted here in this thread shows that you have absolutely no clue about what life is like on this planet for a lot of people, how good you personally have it, and yet somehow you know even less about the economy. 

Have you been to China yourself?

Those 24 people in a 3 bedroom apartment is a joke.  Look at those high rises in the picture.  Do you really believe that the elevators or the piping in those buildings will run with 24 people per unit????

And what are we so proud of in this country?  Who can afford a place of their own in Vancouver or Toronto?  Oh , wait a minute, it is only those same poor Chinese.

I would say, look at how much time you spend working, how much time you have left to enjoy life and what you can do with what you make.  Then the quality of food and the quality of your environment.

Again, I would say that the Yuan must be artificially deflated so work can go to China.

 

Edited November 19, 2019 by cougar

[cougar]

1 hour ago, Cannucklehead said:

 

See if the ministry of labour would allow something like that and talk to me.  

By importing products manufactured in China, our government endorses this type of production!    And to be honest I am not shocked.  I have seem terrible places in Canada too.

[Cannucklehead]

10 minutes ago, cougar said:

Have you been to China yourself?

Those 24 people in a 3 bedroom apartment is a joke.  Look at those high rises in the picture.  Do you really believe that the elevators or the piping in those buildings will run with 24 people per unit????

And what are we so proud of in this country?  Who can afford a place of their own in Vancouver or Toronto?  Oh , wait a minute, it is only those same poor Chinese.

I would say, look at how much time you spend working, how much time you have left to enjoy life and what you can do with what you make.  Then the quality of food and the quality of your environment.

Again, I would say that the Yuan must be artificially deflated so work can go to China.

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/05/03/how-the-8-hour-workday-changed-how-americans-work.html

 

It's called progress.  I can't even imagine working 100 hours 

[cougar]

10 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

1817: Welsh manufacturer and labor rights activist Robert Owen coins the phrase “Eight hours labor, eight hours recreation, eight hours rest,”

So even back in 1817 they recognized a person was entitled to 8 hours of recreation and 8 hours of rest a day.  Where do we stand today?  Those working at minimum wage often need to work two shifts just to make ends meet.   In my environment, employees put in up to 72 hours / week , but most often the number is around 60. That is the only way for them to get ahead.

[WestCanMan]

59 minutes ago, cougar said:

Have you been to China yourself?

Those 24 people in a 3 bedroom apartment is a joke.  Look at those high rises in the picture.  Do you really believe that the elevators or the piping in those buildings will run with 24 people per unit????

And what are we so proud of in this country?  Who can afford a place of their own in Vancouver or Toronto?  Oh , wait a minute, it is only those same poor Chinese.

I would say, look at how much time you spend working, how much time you have left to enjoy life and what you can do with what you make.  Then the quality of food and the quality of your environment.

Again, I would say that the Yuan must be artificially deflated so work can go to China.

 

“There are big high rises. It’s impossible for them to be crowded” lol

Cougar there are 1.4 billion people in China. The .4 part of that is still ten X the population of Canada. Yeah, it’s crowded. 

[cougar]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

“There are big high rises. It’s impossible for them to be crowded” lol

Cougar there are 1.4 billion people in China. The .4 part of that is still ten X the population of Canada. Yeah, it’s crowded. 

So you haven't been to China, just as I thought.  You read articles on the web and believe them.

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, cougar said:

So you haven't been to China, just as I thought.  You read articles on the web and believe them.

FYI cougar, the things that I'm telling you are well-known to almost every adult Canadian. 

If you don't think it makes sense, that's idiotic, but at the very least you should try to find some sources that contradict the ones I posted about the living conditions in China, avg wage or minimum wage.  

Until you cite a source that's worth taking seriously you've got literally zero credibility on this issue. 

 

[Rue]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI cougar, the things that I'm telling you are well-known to almost every adult Canadian. 

If you don't think it makes sense, that's idiotic, but at the very least you should try to find some sources that contradict the ones I posted about the living conditions in China, avg wage or minimum wage.  

Until you cite a source that's worth taking seriously you've got literally zero credibility on this issue. 

 

I have no interest in living in China. I do not need to go there to know that Wes. Likewise North Korea, Afghanistan, Russia, Iran,  Sharia law nations,  Turkey and at this point anywhere in Europe. I think that covers it for now. I will get back to you but Cougar can have China to himself and the other 1.4 billion.

[cougar]

9 hours ago, Rue said:

I will get back to you but Cougar can have China to himself and the other 1.4 billion.

I wasn't going to China; neither do I miss any of its 1.4 billion residents.

The point made is that they survive on $3/hour about the same way as many Canadians survive on $15/hour.   Then apparently they have enough rich people to influence the real estate market in Vancouver and other big cities and enough money to make their population continue to grow.  Can we agree on this at least?

 

[Army Guy]

On 11/10/2019 at 11:01 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

So they would cut themselves off from tide water. They would risk the probable ensuing violence that would be delivered on their children. And for what? The power remains in the heaviest concentration of population, namely the Great Lakes basin. Politics cannot compete with geography. A separate Alberta would gain nothing and probably lose everything.

Will they be cut off from tide water ? , BC would have the opposite problem being cut off from the rest of Canada would it not ....and being forced to either pay for goods from the US, or pay the additional taxes Alberta applies to them to pass through Alberta,  I mean really what does Alberta owe BC any ways.....  I think BC would be quick to compromise some how....Lets not forget that if Alberta's goes, Saskatchewan is not far behind them, together they could always sell oil to the states, while losing money but then again delivering no taxes to Ottawa...who loses then ….this will also forcing Ontario , Quebec and NB, PEI to buy more Saudi oil....or paying top dollar to NFLD  their oil and gas...this would be a great time for NFLD to stick it to Quebec over the Hydro project that Quebec screwed them on, and make them pay the highest fuel costs that the market would bear... No one really wins, except the west will begin prospering a lot faster than the east....and ROC will be forced to start producing their own resources to survive...just wondering what Quebec would do with out that extra 12 plus bil , not to mention the ROC who sucks on those western tits as well ...

 

 

 

 

[Queenmandy85]

Saskatchewan won't separate. 

How long do you think it will take before the west is sucked into the huge American gut? The wexit people are already threatening to become a republic.

How many troops will the Alberta government be able to commit to protect the pipelines as well as counter -terrorism? 

How are Saskatchewan and Alberta going to convince the First Nations to allow separation?

As for pipelines to the US, how is Keystone going?

What will Albertans do when the Americans have sucked all their oil out? (Answer: go back to being a recipient of equalization payments.)

 

[jacee]

On 11/17/2019 at 6:23 PM, WestCanMan said:

Lol. I'm reading your post trying to figure our if you're a vile, loathesome, conservative, nationalist, populist, global warming nazi or a left-wing snowflake that thinks our country will be fine importing all the cars we drive and every piece of technology we use and providing healthcare to millions of new immigrants once we stop exporting oil.

Exporting oil has only played a role in the Canadian economy for about 20 years, and oil is still only about 5% or less of GDP. 

While the phaseout of oil will result in significant change in the way we drive, heat our homes, power manufacturing, etc., 'Beyond Oil' will not be a particularly significant factor in the Canadian economy. New industries will replace oil. Renewable energy technology is now taking the lead and rollout will be rapid. 

Alberta oil is not as important as oil workers have been brainwashed to believe. There will be barely a ripple in the Canadian economy. 

Alberta could be getting on the renewable energy gravy train for another economic boom instead of wasting time and money on temper tantrums.

Edited November 20, 2019 by jacee

[Queenmandy85]

The main reason for Premier Kenny's confrontational posture towards Ottawa is the continuing threat to the legitimacy of his election to the leadership of his party. It is all theatre to distract attention. 

As Jacee said, "Alberta could be getting on the renewable energy gravy train instead of wasting time and money on temper tantrums." There are lots of ways to make money other than oil. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by Queenmandy85

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, jacee said:

Exporting oil has only played a role in the Canadian economy for about 20 years, and oil is still only about 5% or less of GDP. 

While the phaseout of oil will result in significant change in the way we drive, heat our homes, power manufacturing, etc., 'Beyond Oil' will not be a particularly significant factor in the Canadian economy. New industries will replace oil. Renewable energy technology is now taking the lead and rollout will be rapid. 

Alberta oil is not as important as oil workers have been brainwashed to believe. There will be barely a ripple in the Canadian economy. 

Alberta could be getting on the renewable energy gravy train for another economic boom instead of wasting time and money on temper tantrums.

Everything that you know about the economy would fit in a nutshell and rattle. I'm not even going to bother to explain to you how wrong this all is, it's in other posts earlier in the thread. Read it or don't, I couldn't care less. 

[jacee]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Everything that you know about the economy would fit in a nutshell and rattle. I'm not even going to bother to explain to you how wrong this all is, it's in other posts earlier in the thread. Read it or don't, I couldn't care less. 

I look stuff up. 

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2017005-eng.htm

In the early 2000s, global oil prices began to increase sharply, while new advancements in extraction technologies made it more commercially viable to produce oil using non-conventional extraction methods, such as those used in western Canada's oil sands.

As a result, Canadian energy exports to the United States expanded rapidly, and energy became an important source of export growth.

Energy (oil & gas) doubled from 12% to 24% of Canada's exports in the early to mid 2000's ... until the price of oil dropped in 2014, and manufacturing also recovered somewhat from the recession. 

The economy has changed substantially in my lifetime, and will continue to do so. It remains to be seen whether Alberta will change with it. Renewable energy will be the next boom, and much sooner than you think.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/10/29/huge-battery-investments-drop-energy-storage-costs-threaten-natural-gas-industry/

Oil and gas companies call themselves 'energy' companies. 

Why are they not producing more renewable energy in western Canada? 

Alberta and Saskatchewan account for 75% of Canada's GHG's. 

Edited November 20, 2019 by jacee

[cougar]

18 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Will they be cut off from tide water ? , BC would have the opposite problem being cut off from the rest of Canada would it not ....and being forced to either pay for goods from the US, or pay the additional taxes Alberta applies to them to pass through Alberta,  I mean really what does Alberta owe BC any ways.....  

You seem to forget that most supplies to Canada from China go through BC.

Alberta and the rest of Canada will have a bigger problem with being cut off than BC will ever have.

[WestCanMan]

51 minutes ago, jacee said:

I look stuff up. 

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2017005-eng.htm

In the early 2000s, global oil prices began to increase sharply, while new advancements in extraction technologies made it more commercially viable to produce oil using non-conventional extraction methods, such as those used in western Canada's oil sands.

As a result, Canadian energy exports to the United States expanded rapidly, and energy became an important source of export growth.

Energy (oil & gas) doubled from 12% to 24% of Canada's exports in the early to mid 2000's ... until the price of oil dropped in 2014, and manufacturing also recovered somewhat from the recession. 

The economy has changed substantially in my lifetime, and will continue to do so. It remains to be seen whether Alberta will change with it. Renewable energy will be the next boom, and much sooner than you think.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/10/29/huge-battery-investments-drop-energy-storage-costs-threaten-natural-gas-industry/

Oil and gas companies call themselves 'energy' companies. 

Why are they not producing more renewable energy in western Canada? 

Alberta and Saskatchewan account for 75% of Canada's GHG's. 

Lol. You got it jacee. Thanks for all that great info.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, jacee said:

I look stuff up. 

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/11-630-x/11-630-x2017005-eng.htm

In the early 2000s, global oil prices began to increase sharply, while new advancements in extraction technologies made it more commercially viable to produce oil using non-conventional extraction methods, such as those used in western Canada's oil sands.

As a result, Canadian energy exports to the United States expanded rapidly, and energy became an important source of export growth.

Energy (oil & gas) doubled from 12% to 24% of Canada's exports in the early to mid 2000's ... until the price of oil dropped in 2014, and manufacturing also recovered somewhat from the recession. 

The economy has changed substantially in my lifetime, and will continue to do so. It remains to be seen whether Alberta will change with it. Renewable energy will be the next boom, and much sooner than you think.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2019/10/29/huge-battery-investments-drop-energy-storage-costs-threaten-natural-gas-industry/

Oil and gas companies call themselves 'energy' companies. 

Why are they not producing more renewable energy in western Canada? 

Alberta and Saskatchewan account for 75% of Canada's GHG's. 

http://www.worldstopexports.com/canadas-top-exports/

Why don't you take a look at that site and see what conclusions you come to about dirty dirty oil, and what impact it has on our economy?

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, cougar said:

You seem to forget that most supplies to Canada from China go through BC.

Alberta and the rest of Canada will have a bigger problem with being cut off than BC will ever have.

If you think BC is in a great position when the west separates , I think your wrong, those same Chinese products will be available from the states, so it's not like BC will hold many cards, BC still needs to get its resources to the ROC , how do they do that....mean while Alberta still has pipe lines to the states, and they like the discounted oil and with not having to share their tax base with Ottawa who do you really is going to be hurting at the end of the day...There is going to be some large comprises made on both sides, and you NDP government is going to have suck back and reload....when it comes to pipelines to tide water.... 

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Saskatchewan won't separate. 

How long do you think it will take before the west is sucked into the huge American gut? The wexit people are already threatening to become a republic.

How many troops will the Alberta government be able to commit to protect the pipelines as well as counter -terrorism? 

How are Saskatchewan and Alberta going to convince the First Nations to allow separation?

As for pipelines to the US, how is Keystone going?

What will Albertans do when the Americans have sucked all their oil out? (Answer: go back to being a recipient of equalization payments.)

 

Don't under estimate Saskatchewan will to separate...Ottawa is alienating of both provinces not just Alberta….and they are both having conversations together...

The west has mor ein common with the US than the ROC, I don't see a problem here, it would be a win win in the US invites them to be a US state....

Why would they need an army to protect pipe lines? not following your train of thought here. ? 

First nations is not going to have any say....they will be nations within a nations....pretty much how Quebec was going to handle it....offer them a deal, or close them out a nation wiothin a nation....

Are you suggesting that there is no oil being pumped through keystone ?

I guess they will have to sell their other resources such as grain, etc etc....Alberta has never been a recipient of equalization....perhaps you'll have to ask those provinces that are firmly latched onto those tits what are they going to do when the taps are shut off...I think Alberta and Saskatchewan are positioned to fair a lot better than if Quebec would separate... and they are still chirping about it...