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Bear in mind that I am not calling for the violent overthrow of Confederation, that would be treason against the Crown of Canada, all I am calling for is peaceful democratic self determination under the Clarity Act in full compliance with the rule of law in every respect.

Her Majesty defends the right, I defend Her Majesty, Confederation is not a republic, Confederation is simply an agreement.

Moreover, as Confederation is coming under the undue influence of the Chinese Communists in Beijing, it is becoming a threat therein, and so if does not turn back from this course, should and ultimately must be brought down as an abomination.

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Sorry to be away from the thread, but we capitalist pigs sometimes have to labour in the mud to grease the wheels.

I have no delusions to how predatory China is in the world of business, politics, trade or diplomacy.  What I observe is that their totalitarian state can streamline strategies and executions (excuse the pun) to target and hit their goals - being unencumbered by all of the baggage of a democratic system.  I am no longer in business IN China, but do business with Chinese entities from this side of the Pacific.   While I don't LIKE what they have done to North American industry and trade, I have to deal with reality.  Reality is that we should have known from day one what to expect, and we let the greed of the middle men and consumers as well as the ignorance of the politicians wash so many jobs and businesses down the drain by allowing cheap Chinese crap into our market (ALLOW!!!  geez, I can remember WalMart having a buying office in Guangzhou 30 years ago, we didn't "allow" we invited).

The royal "we" have been nothing short of stupid in dealing with this (except, of course, for the ONLY US President with the balls to stand up and take on China - of course I mean "the Donald"), but the literal "we" over in my corner has to deal with reality, and reality is in resource trade and many other things, China is the only game in town.  The big LNG project in BC is a perfect example:  "we" in Canada could easily have done this, and raked in the profits of selling $2 gas for $5 or $6 all day long, but did diddly squat about it, even when the original Asian investors backed down.   Chinese had no problem at all recognizing the opportunity, and have bags of cash...OUR cash...from selling us decades of big box stores full of garbage that will last only until the next required visit to the same store to replace it with more of the same (BTW: most people in China simply would never buy such junk - but will gladly make it for the Yank or Johnny Canuck on the other end of the line asking for it - pure irony).

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1 hour ago, cannuck said:

China is the only game in town. 

I don't think so, their centrally planned economy is a bubble, they do things without an underlying market force, but rather a state run project, so it's not smart to follow that lead.

Also, if there was a war and decapitation of Beijing, the world economy would recover, there's other places to get cheap labour.

What America should really do is provoke a war with them, not a trade war, a shooting war, in the China Seas, the American economy would heat up to incandescent while the Chinese economy would collapse as result of the panicked evacuation of capital in the face of the American military  crippling them.

If you have no compunction about  making money off of totalitarians who liquidate people, shouldn't haven't any problem making more money by liquidating them for a change.  Don't have to target the civilian population, just regime targets.

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6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't think so, their centrally planned economy is a bubble, they do things without an underlying market force, but rather a state run project, so it's not smart to follow that lead.

What America should really do is provoke a war with them, not a trade war, a shooting war, in the China Seas, the American economy would heat up to incandescent while the Chinese economy would collapse as result of the panicked evacuation of capital in the face of the American military  crippling them.

If you have no compunction about  making money off of totalitarians who liquidate people, shouldn't haven't any problem making more money by liquidating them for a change.  Don't have to target the civilian population, just regime targets.

There is the difference between a militarist and a capitalist.  You see the world through some kind of rose coloured, romanticized glasses (held by some Slimey Limey you seem to adore), and I have to look at it carefully and objectively to see what is actually there.

First of all, the Yanks already provoked not only a shooting war but two of them with China, and got their ass handed to them both times.  I thought you were old enough to remember Korea and Vietnam.  My Father-in-law was PPCLI at Kapyong, and assured me that it was Chinese soldiers in his sights, not Koreans.  I can tell you from personal experience that Vietnam was mostly a Chinese war as well (granted, with a lot of genuine Viet Kong involved) - but logistically and I suspect strategically Chinese.

That "bubble" of an economy you refer to is the largest economy in the world.  The opposing one is the "bubble", as the US economy has shifted to Casino Capitalism, where only the strength of the Greenback's hegemony allows Wall Street to print trillions of bloatbux since they own the central bank.  China's money is genuine wealth created by replacing all of the jobs in North America and Europe that actually create wealth by producing products.  Also, your ideal is an economy barely 200 years old.  China has been the dominant economic, technological, intellectual and academic region of the Eastern Hemisphere for nearly five thousand years.

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15 minutes ago, cannuck said:

There is the difference between a militarist and a capitalist.  You see the world through some kind of rose coloured, romanticized glasses (held by some Slimey Limey you seem to adore), and I have to look at it carefully and objectively to see what is actually there.

First of all, the Yanks already provoked not only a shooting war but two of them with China, and got their ass handed to them both times.  I thought you were old enough to remember Korea and Vietnam.  My Father-in-law was PPCLI at Kapyong, and assured me that it was Chinese soldiers in his sights, not Koreans.  I can tell you from personal experience that Vietnam was mostly a Chinese war as well (granted, with a lot of genuine Viet Kong involved) - but logistically and I suspect strategically Chinese.

That "bubble" of an economy you refer to is the largest economy in the world.  The opposing one is the "bubble", as the US economy has shifted to Casino Capitalism, where only the strength of the Greenback's hegemony allows Wall Street to print trillions of bloatbux since they own the central bank.  China's money is genuine wealth created by replacing all of the jobs in North America and Europe that actually create wealth by producing products.  Also, your ideal is an economy barely 200 years old.  China has been the dominant economic, technological, intellectual and academic region of the Eastern Hemisphere for nearly five thousand years.

China's money is fake, tied up in ghost cities no one lives in, Shell Game Communism. Paper tiger.

America is the largest economy in the world, not China.

America produces more high quality products which produce much greater wealth, China produces cheap low quality products that many third world countries in the world already do for cheaper.

Put down the zerohedge.

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1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

China's money is fake, tied up in ghost cities no one lives in, Shell Game Communism. Paper tiger.

America is the largest economy in the world, not China.

America produces more high quality products which produce much greater wealth, China produces cheap low quality products that many third world countries in the world already do for cheaper.

Put down the zerohedge.

Keep telling yourself that.  You could be the next Obama.

or trudeau

 

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On ‎8‎/‎20‎/‎2019 at 5:16 PM, Argus said:

Came across this story on the web. Haven't seen it anywhere else. It seems the Liberals have done a deal with China to let them build the LNG pipelines in BC

 so no one has to hire many expensive Canadian workers to do the job.

MARKHAM, Ontario, Aug. 20, 2019 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- The federal government announced on August 9, 2019, that it will be granting full duty remissions on illegally dumped fabricated steel from China to supply two liquid natural gas (LNG) projects located in British Columbia. Their recent action was announced with their assurance that “trade barriers would not be permitted to stand in the way of these historic private sector investments”.

The two projects involved are LNG Canada and Woodfibre LNG, both located on the coast of B.C. The partners in LNG Canada are made up of a consortium of investors of which include China. These two LNG projects will be modularized, meaning they will be built in smaller shippable pieces with all the equipment and components preinstalled. The modules will be connected on site, requiring very few construction workers. Essentially, in doing so, the largest project ever in the history of Canada will be handed over to Chinese businesses and workers.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/liberal-government-hands-42-billion-140354941.html

Outrageous. This is precisely why China treats Canada like a joke, arrests people illegally and has cut off all our trade while Trudeau caters to them. Trudeau is spineless. He has not a clue how to deal with China. For starters the idiot had no business going to the media bragging how he does not get involved in criminal proceedings to China while doing exactly that with Lavalin at the same time. That is priceless idiocy. Next this idiot who prior to the election stated how he admired China's efficiency showed what a sheltered rich boy he was with no clue of real life. China is constituted by an ethic that wants but does not give. They are obsessed with having he last say and power imbalance in any trade deal. This comes from many centuries of exploitation by the West or fellow Chinese. Its an entrenched intense method of doing work and the weakness Trudeau shows is ridiculous. China operates business like cancer cells. It grows and infiltrates and is structured exactly as a cancer cell grows and is structured. You either contain such growth or it destroys your economy. Trudeau's solution to a cancerous tumour is to feed it not contain it or cut it out of certain sectors or try shrink it.

To have announced what he did was to placate and cater to Chinese ethnic voters prior to the election. This of course is part of Trudeau's attempt to buy his way back into office relying on pandering to ethnic voters. He figures this will win back Chinese voters. He also is convinced his recent payoff to milk farmers will grab conservative votes. He will before we are done make many more prostitution moves to try get votes. Trudeau will perform any  act you want for a vote. His mouth is overflowing with questionable content.

 

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4 hours ago, cannuck said:

There is the difference between a militarist and a capitalist.  You see the world through some kind of rose coloured, romanticized glasses (held by some Slimey Limey you seem to adore), and I have to look at it carefully and objectively to see what is actually there.

First of all, the Yanks already provoked not only a shooting war but two of them with China, and got their ass handed to them both times.  I thought you were old enough to remember Korea and Vietnam.  My Father-in-law was PPCLI at Kapyong, and assured me that it was Chinese soldiers in his sights, not Koreans.  I can tell you from personal experience that Vietnam was mostly a Chinese war as well (granted, with a lot of genuine Viet Kong involved) - but logistically and I suspect strategically Chinese.

That "bubble" of an economy you refer to is the largest economy in the world.  The opposing one is the "bubble", as the US economy has shifted to Casino Capitalism, where only the strength of the Greenback's hegemony allows Wall Street to print trillions of bloatbux since they own the central bank.  China's money is genuine wealth created by replacing all of the jobs in North America and Europe that actually create wealth by producing products.  Also, your ideal is an economy barely 200 years old.  China has been the dominant economic, technological, intellectual and academic region of the Eastern Hemisphere for nearly five thousand years.

The Chinese won nothing in Korea, they sufferred a million dead, the morale of theiir army collapsed,  they started to desert to the Americans, China sued for an armistice to end up right back where they started, now they are stuck with a loose cannon in Pyongyang which they neither control nor like , and they fear the North Koreans spilling into China,

Chinese troops did not fight on the front in Vietnam, they were used as labour in the rear to free up more NVA to go to the front.  Vietnam nor China won there neither, 3.3 Vietnamese killed, for Le Duan the Stalin of Indochina who destroyed the economy to the point of famine, then Vietnam and China went to war over Cambodia,  now once again sworn enemies.

Meanwhile the Americans backed off one tactical bound to Thailand, on their way to winning all the marbles by winning the Cold War at the strategic level

China has a bunch of IOU's to spend in the American economy, that's all their wealth is, the Chinese economy is not Chinese power,  it's American power and it can easily be turned against the Chinese soon as we declare them hostiles again.  China's wealth is US dollars, if they weren't backed up by King Dollah, they would collapse, same as the Soviets did.

Good to know you're a Communist sympathizer tho, I was just checking.  I don't believe in the Domino Theory however, even if the Commies still do.

The Communists are not ten feet tall, and they are not stable nor unified neither, nor are they actually all that clever.

They are dangerous, but they are in no way invincible.

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In terms of the larger question of capitalist vs militarist, the rapacious capitalist who sells his own people down the river to China for profit, is the one inciting the war.

The militarist is simply forced to take action, when his people are as a result backs against the wall in the face of a monstrous totalitarian dictatorship.

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13 hours ago, cannuck said:

The royal "we" have been nothing short of stupid in dealing with this (except, of course, for the ONLY US President with the balls to stand up and take on China - of course I mean "the Donald"), but the literal "we" over in my corner has to deal with reality, and reality is in resource trade and many other things, China is the only game in town.  The big LNG project in BC is a perfect example:  "we" in Canada could easily have done this, and raked in the profits of selling $2 gas for $5 or $6 all day long, but did diddly squat about it, even when the original Asian investors backed down.   Chinese had no problem at all recognizing the opportunity, and have bags of cash...OUR cash...from selling us decades of big box stores full of garbage that will last only until the next required visit to the same store to replace it with more of the same (BTW: most people in China simply would never buy such junk - but will gladly make it for the Yank or Johnny Canuck on the other end of the line asking for it - pure irony).

Canada's problem is the West's problem. Politicians who emphasize truth and self-sufficiency are always less popular than the ones who promise rainbows and unicorns. Our education system and our national media are continually proselytizing for socialist ideals and condemning Capitalism, telling Canadians that the government is there to solve all problems and should thus be involved in all decisions. And liberal politicians make decisions based on what is best for the party, not the country. Where are their votes? In large urban centres, where ignorant herds of people are largely divorced from the reality of resource development, and have bought into the notion that nature should be pristine and untouched. Few have any idea what the resource industry contributes to this country, and thus to the social services they revere. They make a fetish of environmentalism while knowing little about the science of nature, just as they espouse economic beliefs divorced from economic reality.

In the upcoming election, the Liberals, NDP and Greens will be offering up huge 'gifts' of programs and policies to benefit an electorate with little understanding of economic realities. Forty percent of that electorate are not expected to pay any income tax to contribute to these policies and programs, and so eagerly cast their ballots for whichever party bribes them with the most slops for their trough. The Tories will kind of wring their hands apologetically, offer a few minor, tailored programs and try to suggest that allowing for more resource development would improve the economy, though they will lack all specifics about how and be completely incapable of communicating how this will help individual voters in urban centres. I mean, if you ask Canadians they'll say our economy is is going bangbusters. Not one in a thousand will know that while we have a 5.7% unemployment rate, the rate in the US and UK is a mere 3.7%, and 3.1% in Germany, nor wonder why we can't do the same.

I expect Trudeau to be handily re-elected, and for his government to continue to emphasize fashionable social policies and environmentalism at the expense of resource development. I also expect the economy to start to sour, and the deficit to skyrocket due to the promises made in the election.

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Exactly right, except it's not so much that the economy is going to "sour" because sour infers that it would be slow decline,

The fairies and unicorns is the policy stimulus, central banks which are not really at arms length from the politics inciting deflationary pressure in buying their own bonds to keep the interest rates at near zero. 

Deflationary pressure is killing real economic activity in of itself, with no inflation there is no incentive to invest in real economic activity, everything is just flooding into the equity markets looking for returns, but those returns are not real, it's not the real price of things.

At some point the distortions in the markets are unsustainable and it will try to find the real price of things.  When it does, it doesn't sour,it crashes, overnight.

1929, 1987, 2008 . . . 

. . . in 2008 the crash was so hard, they basically punted in the face of depressionary forces, that's what the policy stimulus is, trillions in policy stimulus to punt the depression into the not so distant future, so it will be someone else's problem by then.

You can still make out like a bandit by exploiting the rate of change in either direction, traders can take their profits, go short, then buy low, but that is not what Canadians are poised to do.

Canadians have sunk everything into their mortgages, which they can't afford at anything other than artificially depressed near zero interest, when that corrects, you have a real estate market crisis, that then spreads like it did in 2008, when it brought the banking system itself to the brink of collapse.

Eleven years later its the longest bull market in history, artificially incited by doubling down over and over on more debt to keep the correction at bay, but it's late cycle now, it's not sustainable, thus why the markets are on hair trigger alert awaiting the crash, because the near future is now and the distortions in the market are becoming absurd.

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20 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

The Chinese won nothing in Korea, they sufferred a million dead, the morale of theiir army collapsed,  they started to desert to the Americans, China sued for an armistice to end up right back where they started, now they are stuck with a loose cannon in Pyongyang which they neither control nor like , and they fear the North Koreans spilling into China,

Chinese troops did not fight on the front in Vietnam, they were used as labour in the rear to free up more NVA to go to the front.  Vietnam nor China won there neither, 3.3 Vietnamese killed, for Le Duan the Stalin of Indochina who destroyed the economy to the point of famine, then Vietnam and China went to war over Cambodia,  now once again sworn enemies.

Meanwhile the Americans backed off one tactical bound to Thailand, on their way to winning all the marbles by winning the Cold War at the strategic level

China has a bunch of IOU's to spend in the American economy, that's all their wealth is, the Chinese economy is not Chinese power,  it's American power and it can easily be turned against the Chinese soon as we declare them hostiles again.  China's wealth is US dollars, if they weren't backed up by King Dollah, they would collapse, same as the Soviets did.

Good to know you're a Communist sympathizer tho, I was just checking.  I don't believe in the Domino Theory however, even if the Commies still do.

The Communists are not ten feet tall, and they are not stable nor unified neither, nor are they actually all that clever.

They are dangerous, but they are in no way invincible.

Yes, as I said, logistical and strategic,  not tactical Chinese support for North Vietnam.  Do you remember that victory parades in US for Vietnam?   Ass whipped, period.  But, you are 100% right that they won (to the benefit of literally the whole world) the cold war hands down.  Just remember that re: Korea - the rest of the world was bombed into rubble, China not only from the WWII battles, but also from the brutal Japanese invasion that drove out virtually ALL of the money and afterwards, the war between the Red Army and the Nationalists.   It should have been a cakewalk for Aruba to defeat it, but the US - the only fully in tact economy and military on the planet - could not.

China has a hell of a lot more than a few markers from the Yanks in the bank - they have been exploiting every country they enter, not just the US.  When it comes to big investment $$$, they are way over the top.  If you remove the speculative BS from the US assessment of what constitutes its economy, China (far more productive) is quite a bit larger.  Remember: only production creates wealth, speculative gain is a zero sum (and ultimately inflationary) game.  The Yanks no longer have production owned by industrialists and entrepreneurs, they have only finance as owners, and they can't run diddly for production, just to play the stock and M&A games.   The 1% campaign knew there was something wrong, but sadly, not what it was.

I am anything but a Communist sympathizer, but reality is post Mao Deng re-wrote the rules and they have been far more successful at real growth than any other country.  They have been on top of the heap many, many times over the last 5 millenia, and that is very important to understand.

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3 hours ago, cannuck said:

Yes, as I said, logistical and strategic,  not tactical Chinese support for North Vietnam.  Do you remember that victory parades in US for Vietnam?   Ass whipped, period.

Simply not true, the American effort in Vietnam was defeated by the collapse of support at home because they could not acheive resolution, but it was not an "ass whipping", Le Duan launched an all out offensive to take South Vietnam every four years, in three out of four of those, the North Vietnamese were annihilated, the stalemate in Vietnam was political not military.

In the end you are making the same mistake the Americans made, you believe in the Domino Theory, that the Communists are Ten Feet Tall and unified, and  therefore too scary to confront directly, rather we should fight them by proxy, which is how the Americans ended up diverted into Vietnam.

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