Liberals exempt Chinese steel from tariffs, ship jobs to China

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Democracy is a tyranny if not checked, and in Canada it is not,  the Charter does not protect your from the rule of a mob as the American constitution does, the Canadian Charter is a mechanism to enforce the rule of a leftist mob, now falling under the control of the mob in Beijing.

Well let me see.  The Charter protects minority rights.  The Constitution protects rule of law including the historic record of all legal precedents in Common Law.  A far greater amount of property seizure has occurred in the US of A than Canada.  The NDP demanded that property not be included in the Charter.  However, property seizure, without a damn good reason, such as property acquired in the commission of a crime or as a result of crime, is called theft, whether by the state or any party.  It wouldn’t hold up it court.  Any appropriation of property, say for a bridge to be constructed, requires compensation to the owner at fair market value.  

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well let me see.  The Charter protects minority rights.

Not if that minority is conservative, not if that minority is White Anglo Saxon and Protestant. Not if that minority are freedom lovers.

The Canadian Charter being a mechanism to enforce the rule of a leftists mob.

So what it actually does is enforce the absurd demands of those totalitarians who do not distinguish between themselves and the government, imposing them on all with force.

So as a decorated veteran descended of Britons come here in 1757, you call me a traitor and tell me to get off my own land.

Meanwhile the leftists are importing masses of immigrants who are only coming here to be cheap labour as a lever of control for the socialist fake work nanny police state.

[Dougie93]

I mean, I'm not the one who is likely to suffer, being comparatively wealthy, able to move anywhere If I need to, to include falling back to the CONUS, I can escape if I want.

But Yzermandias can't flee so easily, I can't just abandon the Canadians freedom lovers, so I will remain behind the lines here, like a GB, Foreign Internal Defense operation in the face of a creeping Communist takeover.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Not if that minority is conservative, not if that minority is White Anglo Saxon and Protestant. Not if that minority are freedom lovers.

The Canadian Charter being a mechanism to enforce the rule of a leftists mob.

So what it actually does is enforce the absurd demands of those totalitarians who do not distinguish between themselves and the government, imposing them on all with force.

So as a decorated veteran descended of Britons come here in 1757, you call me a traitor and tell me to get off my own land.

Meanwhile the leftists are importing masses of immigrants who are only coming here to be cheap labour as a lever of control for the socialist fake work nanny police state.

Don’t worry, Protestant whites, “greys”, and conspiracy theorists are also protected under the Charter.  Everyone gets a participation ribbon.  Can’t help you with campus mobs.  Some universities aren’t defending free speech.  That’s why some have taken them to court.  Something tells me the identity politics mobs and victim clubs are out of favour.  

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Don’t worry.

I'm not worried, I simply have utter contempt for what Canada has reduced itself to, with no loyalty whatsoever to you people's communist republic of downtown Toronto.

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Can’t help you with campus mobs.  Some universities aren’t defending free speech.  That’s why some have taken them to court.  Something tells me the identity politics mobs and victim clubs are out of favour.  

Those universities are publicly funded, so that is the government speech banning, and no, the Charter is not stopping it, it's breaking out of the campuses in Canada, in America they are trapped on campus, in Canada they are the academics who run the government.

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Those universities are publicly funded, so that is the government speech banning, and no, the Charter is not stopping it, it's breaking out of the campuses in Canada, in America they are trapped on campus, in Canada they are the academics who run the government.

Not quite.  Universities have their own presidents, deans, faculties, colleges, etc.  The system in Canada is a hybrid of the British and American systems.  Academic freedom reigns supreme, which is why Jordan Peterson’s office could be next door to a Trotskyist’s.  Universities tend to be left because they are dominated by youth.  Many of the idealists sell out in a hurry of course for consumerism.  Let’s face it though, it’s the Maude Barlows and Naiomi Kleins of the world that stress test the value of our systems.  It’s a good thing as long as very different and opposing views are represented.  That’s why we banter on here.  No one gets an easy pass.  

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Not quite.  Universities have their own presidents, deans, faculties, colleges, etc.

All them entrenched apparatchiks of the Progressive Bolsheviks.    This is what a Communist takeover looks like, Student Vanguard, Little Red Book, Cultural Revolution.

[Dougie93]

I see where the Chinese Communists staged a pro-Beijing rally in downtown Toronto.

They were handing out Liberal Party of Canada memberships signing people up.

Monstrous Cultural Revolution from Beijing, encircling you in a no man's land beyond the protection of the Americans, as we speak.

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

All them entrenched apparatchiks of the Progressive Bolsheviks.    This is what a Communist takeover looks like, Student Vanguard, Little Red Book, Cultural Revolution.

It’s fanciful rhetoric, but I won’t hold my breath until all parties except the Liberals are banned and I get my little red book in the mail.  

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

It’s fanciful rhetoric, but I won’t hold my breath until all parties except the Liberals are banned and I get my little red book in the mail.  

It's not a question of banning, the Elite Consensus which runs Canada is the Liberal Party of Canada consensus, so no matter who vote for, they will bend to the will of the deeply entrenched Liberal Party of Canada apparatus which runs the bureaucracy, and since politicians are transitory, that bureaucracy is really what is running things.   Now under the rule of Beijing by default. 

Fleeing the protection of the Americans, for a no man's land at the mercy of Stalin, I'm a dual citizen, I can escape the Bamboo Curtain, Yzermandias not so much tho.

[Zeitgeist]

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's not a question of banning, the Elite Consensus which runs Canada is the Liberal Party of Canada consensus, so no matter who vote for, they will bend to the will of the deeply entrenched Liberal Party of Canada apparatus which runs the bureaucracy, and since politicians are transitory, that bureaucracy is really what is running things.   Now under the rule of Beijing by default. 

Fleeing the protection of the Americans, for a no man's land at the mercy of Stalin, I'm a dual citizen, I can escape the Bamboo Curtain, Yzermandias not so much tho.

The Liberal PofC doesn’t run other parties.  If you don’t like them, don’t vote for them.  I think people had high hopes for Trudeau.  Had the Dems won in the US, he would have had an easier road.  I could tell he was promising too much and would overspend.  He was clearly naive about the backlash that would come from the fringe groups he empowered.  He also acted like a fascist on matters of conscience like abortion, claiming to have the moral authority to kick all Pro Lifers out of the party and even government funded job programs because he knows what’s right.  That’s very Maoist to me.  He talks a good line about feminism, but of course it’s easy to find hypocrisy in his actions.  Also, feminism and championing the rights of those who seek alternative lifestyles isn’t enough substance for a platform.  He was naive in dealings with China and Trump.  We need a sharp turn around, someone willing to fight for what matters instead of feel-good lefty fluff.  

Edited August 23, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

It's like growing up here, I was the center.

Classically liberal British Westminster Constitutional Monarchy.

United Empire Loyalist Orangeman White Anglo Saxon and Protestant.

Peace of Westphalia.

Glorious Revolution.

War of Independence.

United Kingdom - United States Security Agreement.  

Anglosphere.

Standing on the trace at the Inner German Border, bayonets fixed in the face of the Iron Curtain.

This has now been rendered to be the "far right extreme" in Canada.

By way of the Canadian loonie left running off to Beijing.

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

It's like growing up here, I was the center.

Classically liberal British Westminster Constitutional Monarchy.

United Empire Loyalist Orangeman White Anglo Saxon and Protestant.

Peace of Westphalia.

Glorious Revolution.

War of Independence.

United Kingdom - United States Security Agreement.  

Anglosphere.

Standing on the trace at the Inner German Border, bayonets fixed in the face of the Iron Curtain.

This has now been rendered to be the "far right extreme" in Canada.

By way of the Canadian loonie left running off to Beijing.

 

You do realize that Orangemen in Ontario were quite unaccepting of Catholics and other faiths. It wasn’t that long ago that signs were in Toronto windows saying, “Catholics do not apply” for jobs.  I visited Westminster Abbey this summer.  Elizabeth the First represented an attempted resolution of Henry the Eighth’s Act of Supremacy (persecuting priests who didn’t support his break from Rome so he could divorce) and Bloody Mary (who then reversed Henry’s Reformation and persecuted non-Catholics).  The Church of England has very dubious origins, but over time England accepted and gave equal rights to Catholics.  Integrating French Quebec after 1763 was one of the reasons.  That’s why I’m not in the Orangeman camp nor the Irish Republican camp.  I like the state of reconciliation that we have in Canada today.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You do realize that Orangemen in Ontario were quite unaccepting of Catholics and other faiths. It wasn’t that long ago that signs were in Toronto windows saying, “Catholics do not apply” for jobs.  I visited Westminster Abbey this summer.  Elizabeth the First represented an attempted resolution of Henry the Eighth’s Act of Supremacy (persecuting priests who didn’t support his break from Rome so he could divorce) and Bloody Mary (who then reversed Henry’s Reformation and persecuted non-Catholics).  The Church of England has very dubious origins, but over time England accepted and gave equal rights to Catholics.  Integrating French Quebec after 1763 was one of the reasons.  That’s why I’m not in the Orangeman camp nor the Irish Republican camp.  I like the state of reconciliation that we have in Canada today.  

Oh indeed, we Orangemen are dangerous, we Orangemen should not be allowed to form a mob against the individual anymore than the leftist mob should be.

Tho I curse the Whore of Babylon, I maintain the truce with the Papists and Fenians in British North America, Her Majesty defends their right, I defend Her Majesty.

[Dougie93]

Moreover, even as an Ulster Man, I am prepared to negotiate with the Fenians, even negotiate to return the Six Counties to the Republic in the end.

I never actually opposed the Irish Republican Army, only the Provisional Irish Republican Army which seized control in their place.

From the Boyne to the Bogside, the Fenians have a case, but PIRA is a prison unto itself.

I'm a freedom lover, even William of Orange himself must defend it, where otherwise, I must restrain him.

Edited August 23, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Moreover, even as an Ulster Man, I am prepared to negotiate with the Fenians, even negotiate to return the Six Counties to the Republic in the end.

I never actually opposed the Irish Republican Army, only the Provisional Irish Republican Army which seized control in their place.

Well that might be the only resolution to Brexit, because of the the disagreement over the Irish backstop.  How can Britain exit the EU without a hard border in Ireland, unless Ulster leaves the Union?

Edited August 23, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well that might be the only resolution to Brexit, because of the the disagreement over the Irish backstop.  How can Britain exit the EU without a hard border in Ireland, unless Ulster leaves the Union.  

Off topic drift, back to Canada v. China, corporate fake work is bullshit jobs are jails run by the Stalinists in Beijing by way of the Government of Canada being bought.

Edited August 23, 2019 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

34 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Off topic drift, back to Canada v. China, corporate fake work is bullshit jobs are jails run by the Stalinists in Beijing by way of the Government of Canada being bought.

So what do you propose to do about it.  Are the jobs much different in the US?  Has Trump saved the Fatherland?

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

So what do you propose to do about it.  Are the jobs much different in the US?  Has Trump saved the Fatherland?

The American economy is more dynamic, you don't have to imprison yourself in a job jail in America, the Canadian socialist economy has to wipe entrepreneurship out and does, because socialism cannot compete in a free market, whereas in America, everything is geared towards capital and ownership and investment as opposed to work.

I want to free Americans from their jobs jails too,  but unlike in Canada, they actually have an alternative, socialism is just demanding the right to be worked at the coalface until you die, American freedom is the demand for property rights and the freedom that comes from exercising them.

America is no panacea, but it's doesn't have to be, it just has to better than the rest to incite the Flight to Quality.

As to Canada, I have no influence, classically liberal limited government conservatism has been reduced to a tiny minority in Canada, submerged in an ocean of leftist identity politics warring with rightist identarians.

[Zeitgeist]

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The American economy is more dynamic, you don't have to imprison yourself in a job jail in America, the Canadian socialist economy has to wipe entrepreneurship out and does, because socialism cannot compete in a free market, whereas in America, everything is geared towards capital and ownership and investment as opposed to work.

I want to free Americans from their jobs jails too,  but unlike in Canada, they actually have an alternative, socialism is just demanding the right to be worked at the coalface until you die, American freedom is the demand for property rights and the freedom that comes from exercising them.

America is no panacea, but it's doesn't have to be, it just has to better than the rest to incite the Flight to Quality.

As to Canada, I have no influence, classically liberal limited government conservatism has been reduced to a tiny minority in Canada, submerged in an ocean of leftist identity politics warring with rightist identarians.

Entrepreneurship is live and well and Canada is plenty dynamic.  There’s peace of mind in knowing that a catastrophic illness won’t cripple you financially, that you can have a decent amount of paid time off with your newborn, and that you can walk the streets at night alone without getting shot.  It’s not all rosy and there’s much to fix, but Canada is on a pretty good track.  Not too far left or right.  

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Entrepreneurship is live and well and Canada is plenty dynamic.  There’s peace of mind in knowing that a catastrophic illness won’t cripple you financially, that you can have a decent amount of paid time off with your newborn, and that you can walk the streets at night alone without getting shot.  It’s not all rosy and there’s much to fix, but Canada is on a pretty good track.  Not too far left or right.  

Something will get me in the end and the doctors will not save me, everybody gotta die sometime, so I put my faith in the Lord, over the river beneath the shade of the trees.

[WestCanMan]

On 8/21/2019 at 8:23 PM, cannuck said:

I don't understand all of the animosity towards China.

The "right" seems to despise China because they are successful and we sit here with far more resources per capita than ANY other country and we are just scraping by. 

 

You should. 

And FYI it isn’t “just the right that despises China”. 

Listen to Chuck “I hate Trump” Schumer talk about China. You’ll get most of the scoop there. As an example, you can buy “Microsoft Windows” software with the holographic seals on it that comes right from the Chinese black market, the Chinese government is complicit in that.

 

[Dougie93]

In the end, if Canadians are want to sell themselves down the river, that is their prerogative, I'm not trying to lead them anywhere, can't save them from themselves.

That doesn't mean I have to follow tho, I don't have to swear fealty the people's wannabe communist republic of Toronto, never swore an oath to it, it's not my sovereign and neither is that nutjob Julie Payette.

[Argus]

39 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You should. 

And FYI it isn’t “just the right that despises China”. 

Listen to Chuck “I hate Trump” Schumer talk about China. You’ll get most of the scoop there. As an example, you can buy “Microsoft Windows” software with the holographic seals on it that comes right from the Chinese black market, the Chinese government is complicit in that.

China's culture is corrupt from top to bottom. The prevailing mentality is "If I CAN get away with something, why wouldn't I do it?" The thought that this is cheating someone or is somehow unfair really doesn't enter into it.

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by Argus