The purpose or logic behind mass shootings.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

The amount of killings by white people is nothing compared to how many people have been killed by black people in America, black or white. The black people of America appear to have in them the same traits that their ancestors brought with them to America from Africa.

No, the slaves emulated their masters, Southron men were gunfighting hotheads who would duel with pistols for honor, the blacks adopted that culture too, which now has become gangbanging.   The whites were gangbangers too mind you, but white gangbangers were called "Cowboys"

The cowboys were first created to drive the cattle from Texas to the Midwest, but they soon became organized crime as they went.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

Yeah the black ghetto culture is simply borrowed from the highland Scots who settled in American South. The black ghetto crowd now think that "Uncle Toms" aren't black enough, if they don't pimp a culture they stole from rednecks, it's hilarious.

Black Rednecks don't take kindly to others trying to further their lot in life, if they happen to be black, then they aren't really black, lulz.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Another cultural driving force behind this is Prohibition.

Prohibition criminalized the entire population, or as they were called "Scofflaws", they drank more under Prohibition not less, and because everybody was turned into criminals, they stopped upholding all the laws, and instead started shooting the place up with Tommy guns and whatnot.

This is why Prohibition was ended.  It was undermining the stability of the republic itself.

It was too late by then though, as even after Prohibition was devolved to Regulation, the American Scofflaw culture persisted and persists still.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Yeah the black ghetto culture is simply borrowed from the highland Scots who settled in American South. The black ghetto crowd now think that "Uncle Toms" aren't black enough, if they don't pimp a culture they stole from rednecks, it's hilarious.

Black Rednecks don't take kindly to others trying to further their lot in life, if they happen to be black, then they aren't really black, lulz.

Indeed.   The black Canadian gun culture is similar, but from the West Indies, Yardie gun culture from Trenchtown Jamaica.

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Indeed.   The black Canadian gun culture is similar, but from the West Indies, Yardie gun culture from Trenchtown Jamaica.

Did Highland Scots settle in the West Indies too? If so the duelist culture is entirely cultural appropriation by blacks from hothead Scots, who brought that culture from a very small geographic region, and filled the America's with it wherever they settled, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Did Highland Scots settle in the West Indies too? If so the duelist culture is entirely cultural appropriation by blacks, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Even though the gangsters in Regent Park are mostly East African now, Top Malis, they didn't bring the gangster culture from Somalia.

They adopted the West Indian culture which was already entrenched in the 6ix, because most of them were too young to remember Africa, or they were born here after their parents immigrated.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Even though the gangsters in Regent Park are mostly East African now, Top Malis, they didn't bring the gangster culture from Somalia.

They adopted the West Indian culture which was already entrenched in the 6ix, because most of them were too young to remember Africa, or they were born here after their parents immigrated.

I find it hilarious that what is considered "authentic" black culture in North America is simply a Scottish sub-culture invented by white people, imported to North America, and later culturally appropriated by a culture that now frowns on cultural appropriation of their culture by others.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[taxme]

12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

No, the slaves emulated their masters, Southron men were gunfighting hotheads who would duel with pistols for honor, the blacks adopted that culture too, which now has become gangbanging.   The whites were gangbangers too mind you, but white gangbangers were called "Cowboys"

The cowboys were first created to drive the cattle from Texas to the Midwest, but they soon became organized crime as they went.

In those days of old times were very tough and one had to be tough too pretty much try and survive. Lots of bad folk walking around in those days. I do not believe that the white "cowboys" were a bunch of gangbangers. We know who the real gangbangers are in America today, and they ain't white cowboys, pardner. 

It is a well known fact that there were many battles fought between the many different black Africans tribes in Africa who were robbing and raping and killing each other from other tribes. They did not get that from white cowboys in America. White people did not know very much about Africa centuries ago. That is bull chit, cowboy. 

The cowboys were not really what one would call an organized crime family like the Mafia was. Sure there were some bad white dude cowboys but they were not all that organized. Their gangs never lasted all that long. The Mafia did. Just saying.  

[Argus]

3 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

How would banning those clips save any lives? It wouldn't. Shooters reloading and taking their time instead of spraying and praying ain't going to save any lives, it will increase the death toll.

That's the second time you've talked about them taking their time. The one thing these shooters don't have is time. Two of the last three were gunned down within a minute. The other had five or six minutes. If you make them take their time they'll clearly kill fewer people.

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

That's the second time you've talked about them taking their time. The one thing these shooters don't have is time. Two of the last three were gunned down within a minute. The other had five or six minutes. If you make them take their time they'll clearly kill fewer people.

No, they will kill more, because they will actually have a plan and not just lash out in a way that doesn't kill many people when they could have killed significantly more. If they take their time, have a plan and methodically execute it, they'll kill a lot more people than holding down the trigger, missing tons of people and dealing with massive recoil due to terrible aim.

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

I taught you well, young Padawan.

 

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I taught you well, young Padawan.

 

The only people who think spray and pray is the way to maximize a kill count, are people who know nothing about guns or how to use them effectively.

Like you say, that sh*t is only good for suppressing fire, and even in that situation, the point is to discourage return fire, not maximize kill count during the spray and pray.

Spray and pray is not effective at killing as many people as possible in a short period of time, it's time to wise up gun grabbers. Get better talking points.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The only people who think spray and pray is the way to maximize a kill count, are people who know nothing about guns or how to use them effectively.

For me now, I've refined my close quarters combat down to not even using controlled pairs anymore.

I don't double tap, I just sweep in like a ghost, slow is smooth, smooth is fast, one shot one kill, right through the medulla, strings cut marionettes are dead before they hit the floor.

It is in the end the most humane way to kill people, they don't feel a thing.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

For me now, I've refined my close quarters combat down to not even using controlled pairs anymore.

I don't double tap, I just sweep in like a ghost, slow is smooth, smooth is fast, one shot one kill, right through the medulla, strings cut marionettes are dead before they hit the floor.

No double tap eh? Impressive.

Precision kills, spray and pray, not so much.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

No double tap eh? Impressive.

Waste of ammo. 

When Rifle Company clears a building, they go in noisy and make a big mess.

When Recce Platoon clears a building, no noise at all, but the sound of single aimed shots. 

It's easier to clean up the brass that way too, on the way out, leave nothing behind at all, for the enemy to glean any intelligence from.

[Yzermandius19]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Waste of ammo. 

When Rifle Company clears a building, they go in noisy and make a big mess.

When Recce Platoon clears a building, no noise at all, but the sound of single aimed shots. 

It's easier to clean up the brass that way too, on the way out, leave nothing behind at all, for the enemy to glean any intelligence from.

Diabolical.

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Diabolical.

Bear in mind that rapid fire in the military is suppressive fire.

Whether that is rapid rate repetition, or automatic in short bursts, it is not intended to kill.

The purpose is to keep the enemies head down so you can maneuver.

Once you have maneuvered into position by fire and movement,  then you can deliver the coup dr grace, one shot one kill, while he cowers in the bottom of his trench.

If you want to make sure, don't waste anymore ammo, stab him with the bayonet.  You're going to need the ammo in the event of a counterattack.

In the event of a counterattack, now you're in the defensive, so you're not suppressing anymore, so there's no rapid fire, take your time, one shot one kill.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

This is why it's called an Assault Rifle. 

In the military context, an assault is executed by fire and movement, suppressing the enemy so you can close with him and seize terrain.

If the mission is simply to kill as many people as possible, to demoralize them, the military uses Snipers.

The Sniper is the hardest guy to find and kill, he can kill the most people, including those who are trying to dislodge him.

He can be up there all day, pinning everybody down and picking them off one after the next, if you get up and try to run, you're dead.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

This is why it's called an Assault Rifle. 

In the military context, an assault is executed by fire and movement, suppressing the enemy so you can close with him and seize terrain.

The rubes think it's called "assault" because it's extra lethal and should be banned outside of military or law enforcement use, but they are rubes for a reason.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The rubes think it's called "assault" because it's extra lethal and should be banned outside of military or law enforcement use, but they are rubes for a reason.

As per usual, it's all the fault of the French.

Assault is a French word, the actual name of the weapon type is Sturmgewehr, which is Stormrifle, because the Germans say storm not assault, as in "storm the beaches" etcetera.

[Dougie93]

At the strategic level, the enabler is not the military rifles, the strategic enabler is Information Warfare.

5th generation warfare is 21st century Information Warfare.

The key enabler is the internet.    Because military tactics, techniques and procedures are available online.

In the past, you could self radicalize perhaps, but it was very difficult to self militarize.   The Internet changed all that.  

The internet allows for simultaneous self radicalization and self militarization, and that is what the military calls a Force Multiplier.

Force Multiplier means exponential effects disproportionate to scale.   

At the strategic level, they are altering nations, changing the behavior of entire countries, turning those countries against themselves.

Again, this is not crime.  This is war.

Adaptive, dispersed, decentralized, self organizing with no central chain of command required, but all in pursuit of a common strategic objective.

It is all part and parcel of the onset of the Information Age revolution.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Dougie93

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

No, they will kill more, because they will actually have a plan.

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.

You think they didn't have a plan to begin with?

And slow is dead before you can do much damage.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Spray and pray is not effective at killing as many people as possible in a short period of time, it's time to wise up gun grabbers. Get better talking points.

It is when you spray into a crowd, especially with a high powered rifle whose bullets can go through several people in a row. The guy in Ohio shot thirty people in as many seconds.

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, Argus said:

You think they didn't have a plan to begin with?

And slow is dead before you can do much damage.

They had no good plan, if their plan was to kill the most people possible, they failed to accomplish that with their spray and pray foolishness, and choosing a target that would be responded to in less than a minute.

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Argus said:

It is when you spray into a crowd, especially with a high powered rifle whose bullets can go through several people in a row. The guy in Ohio shot thirty people in as many seconds.

He could have killed more if he aimed instead of spraying aimlessly. You are talking out of your ass if you think simply holding down the trigger until the ammo runs out is the most effective way to kill people quickly, even in a crowd, it is not.

One shot a second, for thirty seconds, leaves plenty of time to aim shots and get more kills than this guy got. He did not engage in the optimal strategy to kill people in a crowd, he took less lives by pursuing a strategy that takes no skill whatsoever, instead of the optimal one.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Yzermandius19