Army Guy Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: That said, the racists live in places where there are few immigrants. You get the image of people peeking out of their windows looking for turbans. Meanwhile, in Toronto we just keep going along. Yes getting along, you can call it what ever you like Michael, Toronto has the highest gang violence ever, and many of these gangs are race driven....mean while here in buck fuc* NB , the murder rate is 100 times smaller and 99 % of them are white ….look who is getting along now....well everyone but a few white guys... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Shady Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Well, I often see opposition to gay marriage stated as a way that Muslims don't share "Canadian values". Yet we had to wait for the oldest & whitest religious Canadians to die off before we got it. Ok, those are all strawmen to the central issue of immigration. I couldn't care less about gay marriage, in which I support, etc. Let's stick to the issue and not thread drift. Quote
Shady Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's racist when you only want immigrants that are very much like Argus. That definitely would be. Otherwise, if somebody thinks that all immigration, no matter where from, needs to be slowed because of certain circumstances, like economic, etc, it's a perfectly reasonable argument. People are free to disagree. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: 1. Toronto has the highest gang violence ever, and many of these gangs are race driven....2. look who is getting along now....well everyone but a few white guys... 1. Violence rates here are lower than Regina, Winnipeg etc. 2. You can find stuff to finger point no matter what. The key is to start out by deciding WHO you want to scapegoat. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shady said: Ok, those are all strawmen to the central issue of immigration. I couldn't care less about gay marriage, in which I support, etc. Let's stick to the issue and not thread drift. Well, the point was made that young people somehow have incorrect attitudes about progressive ideas, immigration and so on. They'll decide what is correct, and soon. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Yes getting along, you can call it what ever you like Michael, Toronto has the highest gang violence ever, and many of these gangs are race driven....mean while here in buck fuc* NB , the murder rate is 100 times smaller and 99 % of them are white ….look who is getting along now....well everyone but a few white guys... Actually, not really, the biggest gang beef in the 6ix right now is between Regent Park and Alexandra Park, and it's the same races in both hoods, the Top Mali's all war with each other, and the beefs are rather honour related, they dis each other on youtube with rap videos and the coup de grace is a 'chain grab' wherein you get the guys gold chain somehow, and then go to youtube to display it thus proving that he is a bitch. That's the number one reason guy's get shot these days in the 6ix. It's a fusion of East African tribalism and American gangster cultures, but it's all internecine, very rare for them to go outside of their tribes to shoot somebody not involved, if a civilian is killed, that's collateral damage, wrong place wrong time. They all want to be like Drake, they all want to be Rappers, drug dealing is just what they do to fund the lifestyle. Edited June 17, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Shady Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Well, the point was made that young people somehow have incorrect attitudes about progressive ideas, immigration and so on. They'll decide what is correct, and soon. I guess, a mix of all ages will. And people after them will decide again, and so on and so forth. It's kind of irrelevant to the issue at hand at the present time. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: 1. Violence rates here are lower than Regina, Winnipeg etc. 2. You can find stuff to finger point no matter what. The key is to start out by deciding WHO you want to scapegoat. Also most of their gang related violence and murders are driven by race , just different ones that you might see in Toronto, but the result is the same, the bigger the population center the larger the problem.... Much like your example did, racists are all around you Michael all you really got to do is look or travel to the more violent parts of Toronto, or any big city.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
dialamah Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, Shady said: It's not racist to want immigration based on merit and certain circumstances. It's just logic and common sense. That is if you have the best interest of the country in mind. Which is what we have. Even Donald Trump is a fan, so how could you possibly have a problem with it. Quote
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) When I was growing up in Regent Park it was predominantly West Indian, but the West Indians have moved up in the world, when I go to Regent Park now it's predominantly East African led by the Somalis. They're not actually racist tho, like me as an old white guy, they don't give me any trouble, if they ask me what I'm doing there, I tell them that I grew up here, and they say "respect", Regent Park till you die <gang sign> They don't really care about race, you can be the same race, but if you're from Alexandra Park, you are in enemy territory in Regent, if you're from Regent, doesn't matter if you're white, you're one of them, it's territorial not racial. Edited June 17, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
dialamah Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Also most of their gang related violence and murders are driven by race , just different ones that you might see in Toronto, but the result is the same, the bigger the population center the larger the problem.... Crime is highest in smaller population centers. Quote
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) I honestly can't help but like the gangsters in the 6ix, they're tough, they're brave, they're aggressive, they're old school, they're not like these bourgeois pampered effeminate bearded ladies running about calling for a communist takeover. The Top Malis don't wait around for the government to save them, because they are not so naive to think that would ever happen. Mostly they just want to make some money to give to their moms before they get shot down, these kids are the hardcore of the hardcore, gotta love em. They're no different than a platoon of troops ready to go over the top, they just have their own "regiments" to go over the top for. Edited June 17, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Army Guy Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, dialamah said: Crime is highest in smaller population centers. Nice try, as you can get states that can be twisted anyways you want....and if your going per capita the worst city according to your list had 3 murders, WOW...None related to gangs... https://www.immigroup.com/news/top-16-worst-major-cities-canada-crime-rate-2019 https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-canada.html https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/spike-in-gun-and-gang-violence-in-canada-has-experts-worried-1.4564643 Very few small towns here, infact all a large city centers.... https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/top-10-cities-for-hate-crime/ Edited June 17, 2019 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Michael Hardner Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, dialamah said: Crime is highest in smaller population centers. My tiny town has a large drug problem. But nobody seems to blame the religion or skin colour of the people. That's reserved for immigrants. And God forbid even one Syrian should commit a crime or even act out in a schoolyard or they'll end up in The Rebel. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, Michael Hardner said: My tiny town has a large drug problem. But nobody seems to blame the religion or skin colour of the people. That's reserved for immigrants. And God forbid even one Syrian should commit a crime or even act out in a schoolyard or they'll end up in The Rebel. All the drug users around here are white tweakers from the trailer park, the Syrian refugees here are so quiet and law abiding, they're actually lovely people, although you know, they actually want to go back to Syria, they appreciate Canada taking them in, but they don't actually want to live here, they still hold out hope of going home, even if the Assadists in Damascus are running things. Quote
dialamah Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Nice try, as you can get states that can be twisted anyways you want....and if your going per capita the worst city according to your list had 3 murders, WOW...None related to gangs... https://www.immigroup.com/news/top-16-worst-major-cities-canada-crime-rate-2019 https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-canada.html https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/spike-in-gun-and-gang-violence-in-canada-has-experts-worried-1.4564643 Very few small towns here, infact all a large city centers.... Major news organizations are centered in large cities. Smaller cities get short shrift in terms of news, not to mention weather forecasts. Having lived in small towns in BC, I know that Vancouver & environs gets most of the coverage, and whatever small town I lived in got nearly nothing. I currently subscribe to a few "small town" newspapers, and believe me - the amount of crime, especially violent crime, that barely gets mentioned on major networks is astounding. Quote
dialamah Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: All the drug users around here are white tweakers from the trailer park, the Syrian refugees here are so quiet and law abiding, they're actually lovely people, although you know, they actually want to go back to Syria, they appreciate Canada taking them in, but they don't actually want to live here, they still hold out hope of going home, even if the Assadists in Damascus are running things. Sounds like the trailer park near my place. All the druggies I see wandering about and setting up their camps are white. I have seen two 'immigrant' women (no idea if they are first, second or third generation immigrants) begging at the intersections; the rest appear to be from from "old Stock Canadians". The Muslim people I know are employed, most are better employed than I am. There is a gang problem here, though, which seems mostly peopled by second/third generation South Asians and Whites. That is consistent with studies demonstrating that immigrants are initially more law-abiding than the native-born but by the third generation, the crime behavior is the same. I guess that's assimilation or integration, too. Edited June 17, 2019 by dialamah Quote
Army Guy Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 Most of the gangs are in big city centers for a reason, more dollars to be had.......and if your saying they are not mostly divide up by race or skin color read below... who is to say YOUR drug problem is not from some large city gang...I'm not pointing this towards just immigrants of color, lots of white gangs out there as well, Russian, Eastern Europe, from the US , lots of white Canadian boys as well. all fighting over the same dollar. They are still divided on race and color are they not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gangs_in_Toronto Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
dialamah Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: Most of the gangs are in big city centers for a reason, more dollars to be had.......and if your saying they are not mostly divide up by race or skin color read below... who is to say YOUR drug problem is not from some large city gang...I'm not pointing this towards just immigrants of color, lots of white gangs out there as well, Russian, Eastern Europe, from the US , lots of white Canadian boys as well. all fighting over the same dollar. They are still divided on race and color are they not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gangs_in_Toronto I don't disagree. The problem then isn't "immigration"; it's crime, right? Quote
eyeball Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Shady said: What's social justice anyways? That's very subjective. Only if you don't give a shit otherwise misunderstanding simple plain English actually requires some effort. You figure the term apple juice is subject to this sort of subjectivity too? I can't help but laugh in the face of this inability to understand our language given how often we're told immigrants should before we let them in. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, dialamah said: Sounds like the trailer park near my place. All the druggies I see wandering about and setting up their camps are white. I have seen two 'immigrant' women (no idea if they are first, second or third generation immigrants) begging at the intersections; the rest appear to be from from "old Stock Canadians". The Muslim people I know are employed, most are better employed than I am. There is a gang problem here, though, which seems mostly peopled by second/third generation South Asians and Whites. That is consistent with studies demonstrating that immigrants are initially more law-abiding than the native-born but by the third generation, the crime behavior is the same. I guess that's assimilation or integration, too. Don't get me wrong, I got love for the trailer park too, and I am also a junkie, I just happen to be addicted to nicotine, meth is not my thing. None the less, nobody bothers me, the immigrants are friendly and forthright, the tweakers give me a wide berth, the only people who disrespect me, are in government. Quote
Army Guy Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, dialamah said: I don't disagree. The problem then isn't "immigration"; it's crime, right? No, I was discussing with Michael this post. Quote That said, the racists live in places where there are few immigrants. You get the image of people peeking out of their windows looking for turbans. Meanwhile, in Toronto we just keep going along. And maybe I misinterpreted it, what I got from the post was racists where from small towns, and Toronto was one big love in....not so much... and the problem is immigration which later leads to crime. everyone is trying to live the dream come to America and get rich.....only not everyone does, and some turn to crime which always pays right....once again I am not pointing our immigrants of color...but ALL immigrants.. white ,black, brown, purple, with warts on their dicks... They only thing that is diverse in our nation is the sum of our population, when you break down where they live it is in clusters of their own kind....in that sense we are not diverse. we have just transplanted one race or creed into one spot in a city, not much changes for the immigrants such as China town, in any large city.... We don't handle our immigrant situation very well, there is not many people who specialize in seeing our immigrants though the entire process, after one year basically your on your own, you figure it out... a year is not very long once you break it down, learn a new language, go to school or some sort of education , then look for work, place to stay, etc etc...which in my opinion can reduce there odds of becoming productive citizens. We don't handle WHO we allow in very well either, I mean there is the terrorist thing , and convicted criminals, which once we decide to deport we can't find them...sad really... the whole vetting process needs to be tightened up, for both immigrants and refugees, with one system being more robust and last longer than the other. we need people that share similar morals and values with us....and if thats racist to bad....it's our country not some liberal love in open to everyone.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: it's our country No it's not. Canada is a monarchy, every square inch of Canada belongs to Elizabeth Windsor as the legal title holder. If you want a republic, America is right there for you, but there is no public rule in Canada, it doesn't belong to you. Quote
Dougie93 Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 Now, I happen to embrace immigrants, Milton Friedman's Hong Kong is my utopia, none the less, even if I didn't like immigrants, railing against them as a scapegoat would be in violation to my oath to Her Majesty, observe; I, [name], do swear (or solemnly affirm) that I will well and truly serve Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her heirs and successors according to law, in the Canadian Forces until lawfully released, that I will resist Her Majesty's enemies and cause Her Majesty's peace to be kept and maintained and that I will, in all matters pertaining to my service, faithfully discharge my duty. So help me God. That's what it is to live in a monarchy, there is no public rule, you don't even own your land in Canada, all you do it free hold Crown land, you never actually take title to it, the Queen owns it, she just lets you live on her land. Quote
Army Guy Posted June 17, 2019 Report Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: No it's not. Canada is a monarchy, every square inch of Canada belongs to Elizabeth Windsor as the legal title holder. If you want a republic, America is right there for you, but there is no public rule in Canada, it doesn't belong to you. Sorry Dougie but I disagree, although I had sworn allegiance to the Queen and her heirs, it is nothing more than formality, I mean when was the last time the Queen ask anything from our country, dating back well before the second world war.....when was the last time she gave us a directive or made policy...when was the last time our PM went to England or the Governor General permission to send our forces to war or tasking.... This nation does belong to the people, it is what I and you served, yes I was at the queens pleasure, but it does not make this nation any less ours, to protect with our very lives, or enjoy its resources....We both have planted a lot of good soldiers, I'd like to think it was for Canada first, the queen second...after all they came home draped in a Canadian flag, not the union jack or the royal flag.... it was the Canadian flag that each proudly wore on their shoulders.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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