The road to 2020

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

On election day, I'd imagine a politician's top priority is voting. 

 

Talking about the idea that people can't use COVID-19 as an excuse for using Absentee balloting. It's legal, so get over it. 

The idea of just mail-bombing entire states with extra ballots is not exactly what mail-in was intended for. It's a matter of debate whether or nat that's constitutional. 

[Shady]

Biden literally reading from a script during an interview on CNN. 

 

[Cannucklehead]

Good to see Biden getting some xp. 

[DogOnPorch]

Massive numbers watching RNC & Trump online.

[Boges]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The idea of just mail-bombing entire states with extra ballots is not exactly what mail-in was intended for. It's a matter of debate whether or nat that's constitutional. 

Ballots and applications are two different things. 

And demonstrated to you previously, there are safeguards in place to prevents someone from just sending hundreds of ballots out. AND that's a crime, why should you base your voting system around assuming someone will commit a crime. 

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Massive numbers watching RNC & Trump online.

The difference between the RNC and DNC couldn’t possibly be any more clear now after seeing their conventions. 
 

The RNC’s speakers had truthful, meaningful, positive and insightful things to say, the DNC put on a spectacle that was the adult equivalent of a tantrum. 

[WestCanMan]

14 hours ago, Shady said:

Biden literally reading from a script during an interview on CNN. 

 

LMAO! 
After Barack and Michelle Obama, along with CNN and the rest of the Demmies pushed for riots, arson, looting, racial violence and cop-killing this whole time, now they’re trying to flip the script and act like Trump is the one who’s doing all of this. 
 

Is there a single leftist alive who’s dumb enough to believe that Trump is the one who stirred up the rioting for his own political gain? 
 

Maybe not yet, but the Dems and CNN will likely push that lie til Nov 6th now. I wonder how many of their useful idiots can eventually be brainwashed into believing it. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

And demonstrated to you previously, there are safeguards in place to prevents someone from just sending hundreds of ballots out.

FYI there are states that send mail-in ballots to all of their 'registered voters'. 

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why should you base your voting system around assuming someone will commit a crime. 

Can you honestly not think of a reason why anyone would think that crime/fraud prevention is a good idea? 

When you're considering some bogus response, keep in mind that 90% of 5 year olds know the answer, and the other 10% would be considered mentally handicapped. 

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI there are states that send mail-in ballots to all of their 'registered voters'. 

Yes their are. Cite the rampant fraud from those states. 

They are all safe Dem states though. The 4 or 5 states that will decide this election DO NOT have Universal Mail-In Voting

[Shady]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

FYI there are states that send mail-in ballots to all of their 'registered voters'. 

Can you honestly not think of a reason why anyone would think that crime/fraud prevention is a good idea? 

When you're considering some bogus response, keep in mind that 90% of 5 year olds know the answer, and the other 10% would be considered mentally handicapped. 

Exactly right.  What the Dems want is ballots mailed out to all registered voters.  Absentee ballots are not released in that reckless and irresponsible manner.  But orange man bad, so they don't care.  It's truly disgusting.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Yes their are. Cite the rampant fraud from those states. 

You have no clue what the things that you're saying actually mean.

Maybe the worst thing about the massive voter fraud from those states is that it wasn't detected. Maybe there are incumbents there that didn't rightfully win. Get it?

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They are all safe Dem states though.

Why? Because the Dems rightfully won their elections, or because they cheated the electoral process?

[WestCanMan]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

Exactly right.  What the Dems want is ballots mailed out to all registered voters.  Absentee ballots are not released in that reckless and irresponsible manner.  But orange man bad, so they don't care.  It's truly disgusting.

Agreed, but with a minor clarification. 

What the Dems actually want is to implement every change possible that increases the ease of voter fraud. 

That makes perfect sense, because their base is made up of the people who are most likely to commit crimes, such as election fraud.

The GOP base is blue collar workers and business owners with too much to lose for them to risk getting caught committing a serious crime, just to cast an extra vote in an election.

The Dems' base is welfare recipients and low-income earners who are sometimes better off in jail than out. The easier voter fraud is, the more likely they are to commit it, consequences be damned.

[Shady]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Agreed, but with a minor clarification. 

What the Dems actually want is to implement every change possible that increases the ease of voter fraud. 

That makes perfect sense, because their base is made up of the people who are most likely to commit crimes, such as election fraud.

The GOP base is blue collar workers and business owners with too much to lose for them to risk getting caught committing a serious crime, just to cast an extra vote in an election.

The Dems' base is welfare recipients and low-income earners who are sometimes better off in jail than out. The easier voter fraud is, the more likely they are to commit it, consequences be damned.

And it’s not even all about voter fraud.  It’s about each states ability to process mail in ballots.  Some states will take weeks to process with double digit rejection rates which will amount to tens of thousands of votes, in some states hundreds of thousands.  Lawsuits will follow to examine each of those rejected ballots because some states results are decided by less than 1%.  Those legal challenges will take place in dozens of states across the country.  

[Boges]

53 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You have no clue what the things that you're saying actually mean.

Maybe the worst thing about the massive voter fraud from those states is that it wasn't detected. Maybe there are incumbents there that didn't rightfully win. Get it?

So that's a no, you can't cite any meaningful stats as evidence of voter fraud. 

Here's one. Oh but it's a Republican. 

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800630/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-fraud

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Why? Because the Dems rightfully won their elections, or because they cheated the electoral process?

You suspect the GOP have a legit shot in Oregon or Washington? Or are you so uninformed on this debate that you don't know which states have Universal Mail-In voting and which ones don't. 

[WestCanMan]

20 minutes ago, Shady said:

And it’s not even all about voter fraud.  It’s about each states ability to process mail in ballots.  Some states will take weeks to process with double digit rejection rates which will amount to tens of thousands of votes, in some states hundreds of thousands.  Lawsuits will follow to examine each of those rejected ballots because some states results are decided by less than 1%.  Those legal challenges will take place in dozens of states across the country.  

Luckily there's someone awesome in pace right now to continue to run the country while the votes are being finalized. 

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

So that's a no, you can't cite any meaningful stats as evidence of voter fraud. 

It's a "Boges doesn't understand the answer". 

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Here's one. Oh but it's a Republican. 

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800630/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-fraud 

You think there has only been one mail-in ballot scam in US election history? LMAO. 

It has happened as far back as the civil war. 

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You suspect the GOP have a legit shot in Oregon or Washington? Or are you so uninformed on this debate that you don't know which states have Universal Mail-In voting and which ones don't.

You didn't answer the question, just like you never answered why most people think that crime/fraud prevention is a good idea.

FYI, when you fail to answer a reasonable question with a reasonable response, that's not the time to call the person who asked it 'uninformed'.

I have good reason to believe that you are completely unaware of why protecting the election from fraud is important. Mainly because you said this:

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why should you base your voting system around assuming someone will commit a crime. 

[Boges]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

It's a "Boges doesn't understand the answer". 

And a WCM is incapable of providing evidence for rampant mail-in voting fraud. 

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You think there has only been one mail-in ballot scam in US election history? LMAO. 

It has happened as far back as the civil war. 

 

And yet, there is not evidence they've effected the result of an election. 

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I have good reason to believe that you are completely unaware of why protecting the election from fraud is important. 

 

So how would that be done exactly? It's perfectly legal for registered voters to obtain an absentee ballot in a vast majority of states. I see no effort to ban the practice. . . Uh because the President does it and many Republicans advocate for it. 

The only effort is to create chaos by underfunding the postal service. 

[Shady]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

It's a "Boges doesn't understand the answer". 

You think there has only been one mail-in ballot scam in US election history? LMAO. 

It has happened as far back as the civil war. 

You didn't answer the question, just like you never answered why most people think that crime/fraud prevention is a good idea.

FYI, when you fail to answer a reasonable question with a reasonable response, that's not the time to call the person who asked it 'uninformed'.

I have good reason to believe that you are completely unaware of why protecting the election from fraud is important. Mainly because you said this:

I'll see your North Carolina and raise you New Jersey! 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html

[Boges]

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

I'll see your North Carolina and raise you New Jersey! 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/06/26/1_in_5_ballots_rejected_as_fraud_is_charged_in_nj_mail-in_election_143551.html

In both instances the fraud was detected. 

You can't extrapolate that to ban the practice outright. And if you do, better take Trump's absentee ballot away while you're at it. 

[Boges]

From the article Shady posted. 

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Rick Hasen, professor of law and political science at the University of California, Irvine, acknowledged on the Election Law Blog last month that there’s “genuine absentee ballot fraud scandal going on in Paterson, New Jersey and it is going to get a lot of national attention.” Hasen argues that it’s not cause for concern, however, noting there were only 491 prosecutions related to absentee ballots nationwide between 2000 and 2012.

 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

And a WCM is incapable of providing evidence for rampant mail-in voting fraud. 

And yet, there is not evidence they've effected the result of an election. 

So how would that be done exactly? It's perfectly legal for registered voters to obtain an absentee ballot in a vast majority of states. I see no effort to ban the practice. . . Uh because the President does it and many Republicans advocate for it. 

The only effort is to create chaos by underfunding the postal service. 

This is all just you being intentionally ignorant.

You're pretending to believe that every single mail-in voting scam to date has been thwarted and that's just completely stupid.

There's literally a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE that you're right, although that seems to be your comfort zone.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

This is all just you being intentionally ignorant.

You're pretending to believe that every single mail-in voting scam to date has been thwarted and that's just completely stupid.

There's literally a ZERO PERCENT CHANCE that you're right, although that seems to be your comfort zone.

OK but you can't ban mail-in voting because fraud CAN exist, unless there's concrete evidence that it's rampant. 

Just like you can't ban guns because someone can commit murder with a gun. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

In both instances the fraud was detected. 

You can't extrapolate that to ban the practice outright. And if you do, better take Trump's absentee ballot away while you're at it. 

SO HOW DO YOU KNOW THERE WEREN'T 6 INSTANCES AND THEY ONLY UNCOVERED TWO!?!

The absentee ballot is just suposed to be a tiny portion of the votes. Not the main source of ballots. 

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Boges said:

OK but you can't ban mail-in voting because fraud CAN exist, unless there's concrete evidence that it's rampant. 

You can't rush it in either. That requires a full democratic process, not one that's unilaterally implemented by the Dems. You're advocating for one-party rule.

[Boges]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

You can't rush it in either. That requires a full democratic process, not one that's unilaterally implemented by the Dems. You're advocating for one-party rule.

It's already legal. 

People are just unhappy that many will use COVID-19 as an excuse to Vote by mail. But 35 states don't require an excuse, so there's nothing Trump can do. . . except hamper the postal service so it can be a self fulfilling prophecy.