The road to 2020

[OftenWrong]

18 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's comparable volume. 

Volume is not the only issue, but in this case volume x security. If I were president I would do anything I can to shitcan this idea. That means remove the funding.

[Boges]

41 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Volume is not the only issue, but in this case volume x security. If I were president I would do anything I can to shitcan this idea. That means remove the funding.

That's voter suppression. 

There's no evidence that large scale fraud has ever happened regarding Absentee balloting. 45 himself does it. 

[Argus]

14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I'm guessing because he was the one with the most money and big power connections. Bloomberg used his money to destroy Sanders. Now Bloomberg has been seen sniffing around Joe's tail.

He was the only one who seemed moderate and somewhat sensible.

Edited August 18, 2020 by Argus

[OftenWrong]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

There's no evidence that large scale fraud has ever happened regarding Absentee balloting.

Right. Since you have found no evidence, I guess that's true.

[OftenWrong]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

He was the only one who seemed moderate and somewhat sensible.

Yeah, he seemed that way at the time. About 800 million dollars later, not really. But for these guys it's just a bad day at the casino.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

Right. Since you have found no evidence, I guess that's true.

Well do you have evidence that fraud is rampant? 

5 states do Universal Mail-In Voting. There would be ample ability for one to find fraud if it was likely. 

But in states that matter, we're not talking about Universal Mail-In voting. We're talking about Absentee balloting. Which Trump himself participates in. 

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Well do you have evidence that fraud is rampant?

No, but I suggest doing such an experiment at this time when so many things are shut down, and others running in unusual circumstances is a bad idea. I don't need Google to "back that up". It's sensible. Of course I don't really care what the US does, I just scratch my head a lot at what they do to each other. If the same thing were happening in Canada I would be equally concerned, doesn't matter the party.

It could be done imo if it was carefully prepared as part of a plan. Reacting quickly to a crisis and implementing big changes at the last minute without ensuring it will work is risking the election open to excessive fraud.

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

No, but I suggest doing such an experiment at this time when so many things are shut down, and others running in unusual circumstances is a bad idea. I don't need Google to "back that up". It's sensible. Of course I don't really care what the US does, I just scratch my head a lot at what they do to each other. If the same thing were happening in Canada I would be equally concerned, doesn't matter the party.

It could be done imo if it was carefully prepared as part of a plan. Reacting quickly to a crisis and implementing big changes at the last minute without ensuring it will work is risking the election open to excessive fraud.

So the alternative to the possibility of fraud is voter suppression? 

If voting by mail was such a bad idea, then Trump and his "lot" should lead by example and not do it. 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Boges

[Shady]

Headlining the DNC convention tonight, former pedophile-in-chief!

 

[Boges]

Bad news for Voter Suppression. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/18/politics/post-office-dejoy/index.html

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(CNN)Embattled Postmaster General Louis DeJoy reversed course Tuesday, saying that all changes being made to the Postal Service would be suspended until after the November 3 election, just as 20 Democratic states announced plans to file federal lawsuits.

DeJoy said that some of the deferred decisions mean that retail hours at post offices will not change, mail processing equipment and blue collection boxes will remain in place and no mail processing facilities will be closed.

At least 20 Democratic attorneys general across the country are launching a multi-pronged legal effort to push back on the recent changes that disrupted mail delivery across the country and triggered accusations that Trump and his appointees are trying to undermine mail-in voting.

 

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Headlining the DNC convention tonight, former pedophile-in-chief!

 

The Democratic Convention also hosted this guy:

"Noman Hussain, imam of ISM Brookfield in Wisconsin, was one of the religious leaders who took part in the convention’s “Interfaith Welcome Service.”

Hussain is a scholar at the Texas-based Qalam Institute, whose officials have advocated “the use of female sex slaves, the killing of adulterers, and incite hatred against Jews and other non-Muslims,” according to the Middle East Forum.

One of the Qalam Institute’s courses, “The Prophetic Code,” warns Muslims to strive for “cleanliness” and “purity,” so that they “do not resemble the Jews.”

https://www.jns.org/democratic-national-convention-hosts-imam-from-islamic-extremist-institution/

[Argus]

I really don't get why you guys are trying to put sexual morality on the table, unless it's because you've realized no Republican supporter has any sense of morals so wouldn't care about their adulterer in chief and think the Democrats will care about their previous to previous leader?

Trump was also Epstien's pal, and given the morals this man has both demonstrated and spoken of if you imagine he'd have turned down a shapely teenage girl you've really swallowed too much kool-aid.  I mean, this is a guy noted for barging unannounced into the dressing rooms for the girls at the Miss Teen USA pageant as well as the Miss American pageant because as pageant owner no one could keep him out. He was and is an unprincipled lech, adulterer and whoremonger who was paying a porn star for sex while his current wife was still recuperating from giving birth

And oh, by the way, one of the women accusing him says he raped her when she was 13 at a private sex party. But let's not talk about that. It's not something a devoted Trump supporter would care about anyway.

Edited August 18, 2020 by Argus

[Argus]

Can anyone give me a single good character trait for Donald Trump?

One?

[bush_cheney2004]

41 minutes ago, Argus said:

Can anyone give me a single good character trait for Donald Trump?

One?

 

Already documented in many U.S. studies and media reports five years ago:

• Dominant
• Extroverted
• Ambitious
• Contentious
• Dauntless

[Shady]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Can anyone give me a single good character trait for Donald Trump?

One?

Sense of humour.

[Shady]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

I really don't get why you guys are trying to put sexual morality on the table, unless it's because you've realized no Republican supporter has any sense of morals so wouldn't care about their adulterer in chief and think the Democrats will care about their previous to previous leader?

Trump was also Epstien's pal, and given the morals this man has both demonstrated and spoken of if you imagine he'd have turned down a shapely teenage girl you've really swallowed too much kool-aid.  I mean, this is a guy noted for barging unannounced into the dressing rooms for the girls at the Miss Teen USA pageant as well as the Miss American pageant because as pageant owner no one could keep him out. He was and is an unprincipled lech, adulterer and whoremonger who was paying a porn star for sex while his current wife was still recuperating from giving birth

And oh, by the way, one of the women accusing him says he raped her when she was 13 at a private sex party. But let's not talk about that. It's not something a devoted Trump supporter would care about anyway.

You don’t think it’s newsworthy that a major political party is having a legit pedophile speak at their convention tonight?

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

You don’t think it’s newsworthy that a major political party is having a legit pedophile speak at their convention tonight?

A legit pedophile? You have evidence Clinton is a pedophle? In fact, he isn't, because pedophiles only have interest in pre-pubescent children. And that's clearly not Clinton. There's as much evidence that Trump raped a 13 year old than that Clinton had sex with a kid.

[Argus]

2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Already documented in many U.S. studies and media reports five years ago:

• Dominant
• Extroverted
• Ambitious
• Contentious
• Dauntless

None of these are 'good' (or necessarily bad). They are, even if one agrees with them, and I don't, descriptors of behaviour as opposed to values.

I was thinking more of good character traits like kind, generous, sincere, brave, honest, loyal, fair, tolerant, patient, compassionate, modest, reliable, self-disciplined, considerate, responsible... etc. I know none of those can be used for Trump, but is there anything else I haven't thought of? Is there even one single character trait which could lead anyone to think he might be a good man?

[Argus]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Sense of humour.

Calling people childish names and mocking disabled people does not mean he has a sense of humor.

[OftenWrong]

Its not about how bad just one man is. That is one-dimensional thinking.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

41 minutes ago, Argus said:

None of these are 'good' (or necessarily bad). They are, even if one agrees with them, and I don't, descriptors of behaviour as opposed to values.

 

No, they are 'good' and even admired depending on the context and circumstance.  

History is full of leaders who are admired for such "descriptors".

No matter what you may think of him, Donald Trump did manage to become POTUS, a very exclusive club, with his values.

 

 

 

Edited August 18, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[OftenWrong]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

think the Democrats will care about their previous to previous leader?

Well I just read he's giving a big speech at the convention. Poor Bill is pretty old. Last time I saw him on TV, I thought he was drooling a bit from both sides of his mouth, if you know what I mean.

Could mesh very well with Uncle Joe's message - the senile president.

[OftenWrong]

16 hours ago, Shady said:

You don’t think it’s newsworthy that a major political party is having a legit pedophile speak at their convention tonight?

Bill Clinton:

"The man's a pussy grabber!!!"

[Argus]

14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

No, they are 'good' and even admired depending on the context and circumstance.  

No, the ones you chose aren't good or bad.

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History is full of leaders who are admired for such "descriptors".

Including Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini and Idi Amin. None of them are much admired these days. The ones who are admired tend to have good character traits, too, like the ones I listed above. I mean it's a lot easier to admire Harry Truman's sense of responsibility (The buck stops here) than Donald Trump's lack (I'm not responsible for anything)

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No matter what you may think of him, Donald Trump did manage to become POTUS, a very exclusive club, with his values.

That is more an indictment of your failed democracy and miserably inept media and education systems. And before you resort to your usual "Canada bad!" counter I fully concede we also have a failed democracy, miserably inept media and education system.

Edited August 19, 2020 by Argus

[Argus]

13 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Well I just read he's giving a big speech at the convention. Poor Bill is pretty old. Last time I saw him on TV, I thought he was drooling a bit from both sides of his mouth, if you know what I mean.

Could mesh very well with Uncle Joe's message - the senile president.

Have you seen Trump toddling carefully down a ramp lately or drinking a water glass with both hands carefully clamped around it?