The Land Is Strong

[August1991]

Margaret as PM.

Let's see where this goes....

[August1991]

Ensemble?

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Harper a réussi à calmer les eaux. Now, on grogne.

[August1991]

Trudeau père aussi.

 

Edited February 23, 2019 by August1991

[August1991]

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2019/02/22/has-trudeau-begun-to-put-the-snc-lavalin-scandal-behind-him.html

A smart woman who has made a career of interpreting French Canada to English Canada now badly mis-interprets one to the other.

Chantal, le Canada français de ton enfance n'existe plus. Les débats d'autrefois n'existent plus. Au Canada, no one talks about Meech Lake. 

You are passing, comment dirait-on, à coté de la track.

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Bilingualism? We face now a different matter of State.

Is Canada/Québec a country/place that allows the creation of CO2 emissions? Should we even promote companies that encourage further use of CO2?

Are we a country like Norway, or are we another Saudi Arabia?  

Edited February 23, 2019 by August1991

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, August1991 said:

https://www.thestar.com/politics/political-opinion/2019/02/22/has-trudeau-begun-to-put-the-snc-lavalin-scandal-behind-him.html

A smart woman who has made a career of interpreting French Canada to English Canada now badly mis-interprets one to the other.

Chantal, le Canada français de ton enfance n'existe plus. Les débats d'autrefois n'existent plus. Au Canada, no one talks about Meech Lake. 

You are passing, comment dirait-on, à coté de la track.

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Bilingualism? We face now a different matter of State.

Is Canada/Québec a country/place that allows the creation of CO2 emissions? Should we even promote companies that encourage further use of CO2?

Are we a country like Norway, or are we another Saudi Arabia?  

Pipelines may seem pro-GG emissions at first glance, but they’ll take trucks off the road and, if Canada adds refining capacity, allow the country to become more energy independent. We need to do a much better job of capturing the wealth in the ground rather than sending it to shareholders outside the country.  Having the governments, provincial and federal, own the key energy infrastructure and collect usage fees and royalties, can support important programs for Canadians.  It’s all in the how.  GG emissions need to come down, but with greater efficiencies in energy production and use, coupled with sensible incentives such as cap and trade, I believe Canada can both reduce emissions and be a major energy producer.  There really isn’t any choice, as moving too far in either direction, initiatives to fight climate change or policies that excelerate fossil fuel production, would have major political consequences, not to mention economic and environmental ones.  Norway is the model for sure.  

Edited February 23, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[August1991]

Bombardier once made airplanes.

SNC-Lavalin installs pipelines.

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In Chantal/Toronto Star/Le Devoir terms, the hypocrisy is federal Liberal.

Eh bien... 

Edited February 25, 2019 by August1991

[August1991]

Carbon? (More accurately described as CO2 -carbon dioxide emissions.) 

Hydro-Québec est propre. Le Québec, comme la Norvège, est civilisé.

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Yet Quebecers fly/drive abroad, as do Norwegians.

Note: Norwegians rely on offshore oil/gas revenues for their livelihood.

 

Edited February 25, 2019 by August1991

[August1991]

On 2/23/2019 at 10:50 AM, Zeitgeist said:

Pipelines may seem pro-GG emissions at first glance, but they’ll take trucks off the road and, if Canada adds refining capacity, allow the country to become more energy independent....

Zeitgeist, been there/done that. I agree.

But why should Canada be "energy" independent? Should we be "milk" independent?

(En passant, je suis un francophone qui habite au Québec.)

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I have thought about this economic/political issue. I believe that Harper had the best answer. Trudeau Snr/Mulroney had the worst answer of all. I kinda like Chretien/Martin most. Slow change is best.

 

Edited February 25, 2019 by August1991

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, August1991 said:

Zeitgeist, been there/done that. I agree.

But why should Canada be "energy" independent? Should we be "milk" independent?

(En passant, je suis un francophone qui habite au Québec.)

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I have thought about this economic/political issue. I believe that Harper had the best answer. Trudeau Snr/Mulroney had the worst answer of all. I kinda like Chretien/Martin most. Slow change is best.

 

I agree except that Alberta is struggling right now.  By independent I mostly mean consuming what we produce and insulating ourselves from OPEC. 

[Army Guy]

On 2/21/2019 at 4:55 AM, August1991 said:

Margaret as PM.

Let's see where this goes....

You've had some pretty crazy posts, but this one takes the Cake....Canadians have had enough of the Trudeaus for a life time....lets leave it at that.

[Dougie93]

Nah, Pierre was the da man.  Justin is just not Pierre.  It's a tycoon who built an empire, but his progeny was too pampered to acquire the killer instinct to be a tycoon.

[Dougie93]

PET had it all.  Fast women.  Fast cars.  Ruled with an iron fist.    Stared down all opposition.  Arguably Canada's greatest public intellectual.  Obviously Canada's greatest politician.

Rock Star.

[Dougie93]

If Canada is Rome, Pierre Elliot Trudeau is Lucius Quintus Cincinnatus. 

[Dougie93]

The problem with Canada, is that it does not live up to his vision, the problem with Canada, is that Cincinnatus is dead, and Nero rules now.

[jacee]

On 2/25/2019 at 10:19 PM, Dougie93 said:

PET had it all.  Fast women.  Fast cars.  Ruled with an iron fist.    Stared down all opposition.  Arguably Canada's greatest public intellectual.  Obviously Canada's greatest politician.

Rock Star.

Hmmm ... but Tommy Douglas won the contest for Greatest Canadian.

[Yzermandius19]

7 hours ago, jacee said:

Hmmm ... but Tommy Douglas won the contest for Greatest Canadian.

That's because way too many of the people voting were Eskimo Communists, and the CBC loves to champion the Nanny Socialist Welfare Gulag as the thing that makes Canada so great, so naturally ol' Tommy Douglas was their boy.

Edited February 27, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Tommy Douglas is the dictionary definition of the 19th century Temperance Lady Nanny State,  the diametric opposite of Rock Star Beatles & Blue Jeans, so of course both the Socialists and Prohibitionists love their Tommy,  Bible Thumpers either way, pick your bible, Das Kapital, or the New Testament.

I'll be down in the Saloon with the Rolling Stones, ceegars and whiskey, and going to Switzerland for my healthcare as necessary.

I actually met Keith Richards in Yorkville, the very model of an English gentleman.

Edited February 28, 2019 by Dougie93

[August1991]

On 2/25/2019 at 8:46 PM, Army Guy said:

You've had some pretty crazy posts, but this one takes the Cake....Canadians have had enough of the Trudeaus for a life time....lets leave it at that.

Catholic, Protestant - people still get along, and we're still a single country, civilised place.

I live in a city - a country, une entité - where many people who speak only one language, manage to do deals with other unilinigual people.

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Un tel endroit existe.

 

Edited March 1, 2019 by August1991

[taxme]

On 2/25/2019 at 7:19 PM, Dougie93 said:

PET had it all.  Fast women.  Fast cars.  Ruled with an iron fist.    Stared down all opposition.  Arguably Canada's greatest public intellectual.  Obviously Canada's greatest politician.

Rock Star.

Well, maybe you would like to enlighten us all as to what that communist trudeau hero of yours ever did for Canada except to try to destroy a once great Wasp Western nation and try to turn Canada into another Cuba. But go ahead, make your day. I await your lefty liberal reply. Lol. 

[Dougie93]

Left is towards the mob, right is towards the Crown.   PET was the bulwark of the Crown against the Pequiste Mob.   I have no partisan loyalty but for Her Majesty.

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

Well, maybe you would like to enlighten us all as to what that communist trudeau hero of yours ever did for Canada except to try to destroy a once great Wasp Western nation and try to turn Canada into another Cuba. But go ahead, make your day. I await your lefty liberal reply. Lol. 

Canada was never a WASP nation.  It was anglophone and francophone from the beginning, with protected First Nations treaties.  Yes Ontario and parts of the west were once very Orange, just as Quebec and parts of the East were very much under French influence and under the thumb of the Catholic Church.  Bilingualism, multiculturalism, and the Quiet Revolution has changed all of that.  What we have now is not primarily of France or England.  It’s Canadian.  Trudeau played a role in that. 

Edited March 2, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

Indeed,  Canada is simply an agreement, keep the French in,  keep the Americans out, keep the Indians down. 

The North German Protestant therein is Victoria Hanover.

None the less, by the Glorious Revolution of 1688; British is not a place, British is not a race, British is a system of governance.

[jacee]

On 2/27/2019 at 6:35 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

That's because way too many of the people voting were Eskimo Communists, and the CBC loves to champion the Nanny Socialist Welfare Gulag as the thing that makes Canada so great, so naturally ol' Tommy Douglas was their boy.

Do you like having a Health card? 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Indeed,  Canada is simply an agreement, keep the French in,  keep the Americans out, keep the Indians down. 

The North German Protestant therein is Victoria Hanover.

None the less, by the Glorious Revolution of 1688; British is not a place, British is not a race, British is a system of governance.

I disagree about the notion of “keeping the Indians down.”  I think most Canadians want to see Indigenous peoples and cultures thrive.  It’s a matter of whether they can do it as a self-sustaining segment of society (e.g. fishermen), as is the case on many Indigenous territories out west, or if they will rely too heavily on outside support (e.g. recipients of fish).  There has to be a recognition that if a people cannot sustain themselves separate from the rest of Canada, perhaps they’re better off either joining a more prosperous Indigenous group in another location, or else becoming more integrated within mainstream Canadian society.  It’s not a bad thing.  Where possible a language and culture should be preserved.  When the living conditions and mental health within a community become unbearable without outside help, that’s the time for change.  Of course seeking resource development and educating people helps.  I do think we need more learning about Indigenous peoples.  We also need open and honest dialogue.  Apologizing all the time and making sugary and disingenuous statements thanking Indigenous people for taking care of private or municipal property when they are not won’t help much.

Edited March 3, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[jacee]

6 hours ago, taxme said:

Well, maybe you would like to enlighten us all as to what that communist trudeau hero of yours ever did for Canada except to try to destroy a once great Wasp Western nation and try to turn Canada into another Cuba. But go ahead, make your day. I await your lefty liberal reply. Lol. 

Cuba's doing fine. We can take a lesson. It's not about toadying to the billionaires. It's about serving the needs of the  people.