The new Ontarian Islamic Party

[Michael Hardner]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

Being opposed to Islam is no more racist than being opposed to Communism.  

Just like opposing Israel doesn't mean you're anti-semitic.  It just seems that the vast majority of people who brandish said opposition have those negative traits.  Somehow.

[DogOnPorch]

Islam is not a race nor is it a skin colour. It's a religion and political system.

 

Edited April 26, 2019 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

...and to add...Islam was invented by Muhammad specifically to stick it to the Jews who rejected him as the next Moses.

This sums-up Islam...

Mac = Islam

[Guest]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Communist could mean Obama for all anyone knows when a conservative like Argus throws the word around.

In the meantime it's the generally sneering often hate-filled tone of the opposition to Islam which disgusts.  It's a tone that seems to stupify people who are deaf to it - makes them do things like blithely applying the term commie without a moment's thought. 

Given the disgusting aspects of Islam that people are opposed to, it's not surprising the tone is often unpleasant.  It's certainly a lot less unpleasant than its subject.

[Argus]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Just like opposing Israel doesn't mean you're anti-semitic.  It just seems that the vast majority of people who brandish said opposition have those negative traits.  Somehow.

As I've pointed out before, A lot of Arabs are as white or whiter than you or I. And Muslims can be Asians, Arabs, Africans or white/European.

I'd love to have a question posed in a poll: Would you rather bring to Canada 10,000 Arab Muslims or 20,000 Arab Christians? What do you think the answer would be from Canadians?

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Given the disgusting aspects of Islam that people are opposed to, it's not surprising the tone is often unpleasant.

What's even more disgusting is amplifying the actions of a few bad Muslims so as to catch the rest in the blare. 

What's frightening about this is how blasé moderate conservatives are about the disgusting section of their big tent - it's how racism is becoming normalized.  It's not disgust or racism its just...concern.  Politicians like to eschew racism but they love addressing concerns.

[DogOnPorch]

Islam is a religion/political system. Not a race or skin colour.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What's even more disgusting is amplifying the actions of a few bad Muslims so as to catch the rest in the blare. 

What's frightening about this is how blasé moderate conservatives are about the disgusting section of their big tent - it's how racism is becoming normalized.  It's not disgust or racism its just...concern.  Politicians like to eschew racism but they love addressing concerns.

Yeah, the old "all Muslims" argument.  Used to deflect attention from the barbaric actions of the others.

Like it or not, they are pretty bad. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, the old "all Muslims" argument.  Used to deflect attention from the barbaric actions of the others.

Like it or not, they are pretty bad. 

 

There's a reason that Islam saw eye to eye with the Nazis. Let's say...similar goals.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Just like opposing Israel doesn't mean you're anti-semitic.  It just seems that the vast majority of people who brandish said opposition have those negative traits.  Somehow.

It's not that.  It's the opposite in fact.  Social liberals refuse to brandish such opposition even though they feel it.  How could they not?  They are liberal.  But they can't say so.

Except me.  As a social liberal, I have no such compunction.

Edited April 26, 2019 by bcsapper

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

It's not that.  It's the opposite in fact.  Social liberals refuse to brandich such opposition even though they feel it.  How could they not?  They are liberal.  But they can't say so.

If you imagine this post with Dr. Seuss drawings it helps.  Otherwise, it's not descipherable.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

If you imagine this post with Dr. Seuss drawings it helps.  Otherwise, it's not descipherable.

I gues what I'm trying to say is this.  As a social liberal, I have no problem expressing disgust and contempt for all right wing conservative religious nutjobs.  Other social liberals seem to have a problem with only some of them.

I am I am.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

1. As I've pointed out before, A lot of Arabs are as white or whiter than you or I. And Muslims can be Asians, Arabs, Africans or white/European.

2. I'd love to have a question posed in a poll: Would you rather bring to Canada 10,000 Arab Muslims or 20,000 Arab Christians? What do you think the answer would be from Canadians?

1. Yes, I agree.

2. I have no idea.  I think there are probably better factors in terms of predictability than religion.  Would you rather bring 10K white Americans or black ones ?  Would you announce such a policy as a government ?  

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

I gues what I'm trying to say is this.  As a social liberal, I have no problem expressing disgust and contempt for all right wing conservative religious nutjobs.  Other social liberals seem to have a problem with only some of them.

I am I am.

I am part right-wing religious nut job so I respect their views and their right to religion, until they decide that their religion is better and more deserving than anyone else's.

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I am part right-wing religious nut job so I respect their views and their right to religion, until they decide that their religion is better and more deserving than anyone else's.

You'd figure the infidelophobia would be a dead giveaway.

[OftenWrong]

6 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

This sums-up Islam...

Is Mohammad the guy in the leopard Speedo?

[Michael Hardner]

https://globalnews.ca/news/2634032/hate-crimes-against-muslim-canadians-more-than-doubled-in-3-years/

Quote

Hate crimes against Muslim-Canadians more than doubled in 3 years The number of police-reported hate crimes targeting Muslim-Canadians more than doubled over a three-year period — even as the total number of hate crimes dropped.

No Islamic Party is going to get elected, but it will joyfully be used by those who want to paint this religion as a disease, and justify crimes against all its adherents.

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://globalnews.ca/news/2634032/hate-crimes-against-muslim-canadians-more-than-doubled-in-3-years/

The definition of hate crime has also changed. One should be wary of statistics, and those who promote them.

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

The definition of hate crime has also changed. One should be wary of statistics, and those who promote them.

When ?  Cite ?  Do you think there's not a problem ?  Do you remember any political campaigns where groups of unknown agitators were scapegoating a religious or ethnic group ?

Regardless of statistics, do you think this is cause for alarm ?  

[OftenWrong]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

When ?  Cite ?  Do you think there's not a problem ?  Do you remember any political campaigns where groups of unknown agitators were scapegoating a religious or ethnic group ?

Regardless of statistics, do you think this is cause for alarm ?  

Things that were not counted as hate crimes before are being counted now. When a report says Hate Crimes have increased, it means the number reported has increased. It doesn't necessarily mean the actual number has increased compared to previous years. The Agency report says that it recognizes some of the increase is due to more people reporting now than they did before. How much?

- I cannot answer if it is cause for alarm without knowing the details. I think it's reasonable to believe that hate crimes against Muslims would increase, as hate is increasing in all directions and is in fact what the Islamacists want. But in Canada I think the hate-crime number was already fairly low in magnitude, so it could easily be doubled without cause for much alarm. 

 

[Rue]

12 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Is Mohammad the guy in the leopard Speedo?

Depends if you are in Miami Beach its probably a guy from Quebec.

Speedos.. I tried to wear one once, I got mistook by some woman looking for her tennis balls. 

I'm now a soprano now but Serena Williams went on to be world champion. 

I like to think it was me who inspired her.

 

[Michael Hardner]

6 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

1. Things that were not counted as hate crimes before are being counted now.

2. When a report says Hate Crimes have increased, it means the number reported has increased.  

3. - I cannot answer if it is cause for alarm without knowing the details. I think it's reasonable to believe that hate crimes against Muslims would increase, as hate is increasing in all directions and is in fact what the Islamacists want. 

4. But in Canada I think the hate-crime number was already fairly low in magnitude, so it could easily be doubled without cause for much alarm. 

 

1. Before when ?  Cite as to when the change happened and how the counts were done differently please.  I'll believe you if the cite is a reputable source and will retract my claim as I'm not certain that these metrics have NOT changed.

2. See 1.

3. Yes, Islamists and alt-right BOTH want to see disunity - agreed.

4. You don't think doubling is cause for alarm ?  What about quadrupling ?  Does it alarm you that these people are trying to infiltrate parties like Berniers' ?

[QuebecOverCanada]

9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://globalnews.ca/news/2634032/hate-crimes-against-muslim-canadians-more-than-doubled-in-3-years/

No Islamic Party is going to get elected, but it will joyfully be used by those who want to paint this religion as a disease, and justify crimes against all its adherents.

It's funny how there's a double standard in your mind.

First, do not amalgamate all Muslims with the terrorists. Ok, I'm fine with that.

BUT, you claim that either society or people who say that Islam is cancer is condoning violence against Muslims, so you generalize and amalgamate the critics of Islam with the hate crime offenders, but you tell us that Muslims should not be amalgamated to the terrorists.

Let me guess, you're a Protestant to be that self-loathing and illogical, am I right?

[OftenWrong]

38 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Before when ?  Cite as to when the change happened and how the counts were done differently please.  I'll believe you if the cite is a reputable source and will retract my claim as I'm not certain that these metrics have NOT changed.

2. See 1.

3. Yes, Islamists and alt-right BOTH want to see disunity - agreed.

4. You don't think doubling is cause for alarm ?  What about quadrupling ?  Does it alarm you that these people are trying to infiltrate parties like Berniers' ?

Didn't I already provide evidence from the very report you are excited about? Yes I did. I even underlined the very part you are looking for. There it says some part of the increase is due to higher levels of reporting.

No, it doesn't say how much, to answer your next question.

 

[Michael Hardner]

52 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

1. BUT, you claim that either society or people who say that Islam is cancer is condoning violence against Muslims, so you generalize and amalgamate the critics of Islam with the hate crime offenders, but you tell us that Muslims should not be amalgamated to the terrorists.

2. Let me guess, you're a Protestant to be that self-loathing and illogical, am I right?

1. Hmmm. I think you're trying to compare two things that are different. How about this: I don't say that everyone who criticizes Islam is spreading hate against Islam.  Does that make my view clearer ?

2. Protestant ?  What ?