Bernier criticizes Trudeau's "extreme multiculturalism"

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Why? is it one of Trump's Shithole countries? 

 

 

If population growth is so important to you, then it would help to stop the bleeding.   Trump is not forcing the very best immigrants to flee into Canada.

[Boges]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

If population growth is so important to you, then it would help to stop the bleeding.   Trump is not forcing the very best immigrants to flee into Canada.

Gotcha. Not a Shithole country. 

[turningrite]

26 minutes ago, Boges said:

And person from Eastern European decent killed many more people a few weeks earlier because women wouldn't have sex with him. 

I suppose we should ban people that can't get laid. 

It's interesting, however, that we quickly learned the details concerning his motives, in contrast to the Danforth shooting several weeks ago which is still being shrouded in mystery by our authorities. I just read breaking news that the publication ban on the investigation into the Fredericton shooting has been lifted. But still nothing about Danforth rampage. Different strokes? Hmmmm....

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-decision-expected-today-on-publication-ban-for-fredericton-shooting/

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

If population growth is so important to you, then it would help to stop the bleeding.   Trump is not forcing the very best immigrants to flee into Canada.

 

Well played, sir.

We've discussed the brain drain before...with similar results!

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

Gotcha. Not a Shithole country. 

 

Still has a lower birth rate than the USA...better try harder.

 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, turningrite said:

It's interesting, however, that we quickly learned the details concerning his motives, in contrast to the Danforth shooting several weeks ago which is still being shrouded in mystery by our authorities. I just read breaking news that the publication ban on the investigation into the Fredericton shooting has been lifted. But still nothing about Danforth rampage. Different strokes? Hmmmm....

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-decision-expected-today-on-publication-ban-for-fredericton-shooting/

I won't disagree that our authorities treat crime involving Muslims with kid gloves. I suspect it could be because people will extrapolate that this is systemic problem with all Muslims.

[betsy]

16 minutes ago, Boges said:

 What about if new Canadians have trouble coming to a new society but their kids acclimatize great? 

That's the problem!   They don't.   They're not assimilating!  Why????   Refer to Bernier's explanation!  Grouping together has been a problem before.....even so now.

 

 

 

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America's Muslims Aren't as Assimilated as You Think

A new generation of American Muslims -- living in the shadow of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks -- is becoming more religious. They are more likely to take comfort in their own communities, and less likely to embrace the nation's fabled melting pot of shared values and common culture.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/25/AR2006082501169.html

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Boges said:

I won't disagree that our authorities treat crime involving Muslims with kid gloves. I suspect it could be because people will extrapolate that this is systemic problem with all Muslims.

 

Which Muslim majority society do you admire the most?

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Still has a lower birth rate than the USA...better try harder.

The Bible says be fruitful and multiple. Also you get more welfare money the more kids you have. 

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

I won't disagree that our authorities treat crime involving Muslims with kid gloves. I suspect it could be because people will extrapolate that this is systemic problem with all Muslims.

 

Ya think ???   Good thing your government treats all Canadians with "kid gloves", eh ?   

Edited August 17, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[Boges]

4 minutes ago, betsy said:

That's the problem!   They don't.   They're not assimilating!  Why????   Refer to Bernier's explanation!  Grouping together has been a problem before.....even so now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/25/AR2006082501169.html

From his perch in Quebec, I suspect he doesn't have an accurate assessment of how people assimilate.

The truth is, this is all anecdotal. I can say that I work in a community that's extraordinarily multi-cultural and I can sometimes relate more to Canadian immigrants or people from immigrant families than I can with White Canadians in Cottage country. But that doesn't convince someone who really believes we're being taken over by brown people. 

Edited August 17, 2018 by Boges

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

The truth is, this is all anecdotal. I can say that I work in a community that's extraordinarily multi-cultural and I can sometimes relate more to Canadian immigrants or people form immigrant families than I can with White Canadians in Cottage country. But that doesn't convince someone who really believes we're being taken over by brown people. 

 

The truth is, lots of immigrants who have "assimilated" quite well don't want to deal with it either.   

[Boges]

But perhaps we are being taken over by brown people, because as "white" Canadians enter into families with people from other cultures, that does gradually brown the country. It's gonna happen.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The truth is, lots of immigrants who have "assimilated" quite well don't want to deal with it either.   

Deal with what? More people coming in? So it's a case of closing the door after you've come in? If that's the case, it's a shame. 

[betsy]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

From his perch in Quebec, I suspect he doesn't have an accurate assessment of how people assimilate.

The truth is, this is all anecdotal. I can say that I work in a community that's extraordinarily multi-cultural and I can sometimes relate more to Canadian immigrants or people form immigrant families than I can with White Canadians in Cottage country. But that doesn't convince someone who really believes we're being taken over by brown people. 

But, have you heard of "no-go zones?"

 

In mid-90's I was talking to a young father (a white guy, my co-worker), who worried about his children growing up in their neighborhood.  Those days, the Somalis had taken over their neighborhood, and they did intimidate people, he said.  He was struggling financially so he couldn't afford to move his family out of that place.  Come to think of it now - I wonder how he's doing, and if they still reside in that neighborhood. 

 

That scenario is tame compared to what I read about some no-go zones in other countries now.  I wonder if we have such places that aren't talked about by the media?

Edited August 17, 2018 by betsy

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

Deal with what? More people coming in? So it's a case of closing the door after you've come in? If that's the case, it's a shame. 

 

It's human nature, and social defense...."assimilation" means acting just like "whitey" !

[Boges]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

It's human nature, and social defense...."assimilation" means acting just like "whitey" !

Not always. There's a certain "urban" culture that crosses many racial groups. Drake is the poster boy, I'd say. 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

But, have you heard of "no-go zones?"

In mid-90's I was talking to a young father (a white guy, my co-worker), who worried about his children growing up in their neighborhood.  Those days, the Somalis had taken over their neighborhood, and they did intimidate people, he said.  He was struggling financially so he couldn't afford to move his family out of that place.  Come to think of it now - I wonder how he's doing, and if they still reside in that neighborhood.

Not in Canada, no. 

Some of these ethnic silo communities like Markham (Asian) or Brampton (South Asian) are still perfectly safe for white people to enter, and welcome. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

Not always. There's a certain "urban" culture that crosses many racial groups. Drake is the poster boy, I'd say. 

 

Drake is multiracial and is not stuck in race wars....loves American culture to make money.

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Drake is multiracial 

Exactly!

[turningrite]

14 minutes ago, Boges said:

I won't disagree that our authorities treat crime involving Muslims with kid gloves. I suspect it could be because people will extrapolate that this is systemic problem with all Muslims.

Others might characterize it less charitably as manipulating the narrative. The selective lack of openness tends to substantiate the views of critics, like Bernier, who believe that special treatment and double standards have become the norm. I think a lot of Canadian agree with him on this.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

Exactly!

 

But you called Obama the "black guy" in another thread....seems inconsistent and arbitrary.

[bush_cheney2004]

Bernier is stating what a lot of Canadians think, but are afraid to say out loud.   

[betsy]

6 minutes ago, Boges said:

 

Some of these ethnic silo communities like Markham (Asian) or Brampton (South Asian) are still perfectly safe for white people to enter, and welcome. 

Yes, we still go to the Asian Section (Cambodian/Vietnamese)  to shop, there's a positive atmosphere in them.  Some communities like the Italian section ....and Danforth - we travelled all the way just to eat authentic Greek! 

 

We have to choose our immigrants, that's the key!

 

If it's discriminatory to want to let in ONLY those who will readily be comfortable with, and accepting of the Canadian way of life - so be it.  

There's no shame in being choosy, and wanting only the best we can have for all residents in this country.

Edited August 17, 2018 by betsy

[Boges]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

But you called Obama the "black guy" in another thread....seems inconsistent and arbitrary.

See below to see what point I was getting at.