Bernier criticizes Trudeau's "extreme multiculturalism"

[WestCanMan]

Just now, eyeball said:

No, I simply understand where its coming from and why.  Your choice to equate and conflate the word understanding with support says far more about what you support.

Rather, your attempt to distance "understanding" from "support" is pathetic.

Are you trying to say that "You understand why someone would blow up kids at an Ariana Grande concert" is different from "You support someone blowing up kids at an Ariana Grande concert"?

I'd like you the explain why you could possibly understand something like that? 

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Rather, your attempt to distance "understanding" from "support" is pathetic.

Are you trying to say that "You understand why someone would blow up kids at an Ariana Grande concert" is different from "You support someone blowing up kids at an Ariana Grande concert"?

I'd like you the explain why you could possibly understand something like that? 

If you and I were killed in that concert you would be a legitimate and I would be collateral damage.  It would be a lot easier if you people wore uniforms so our attackers could tell us apart but you hide amongst us so...you know how that goes.

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If you and I were killed in that concert you would be a legitimate and I would be collateral damage.  It would be a lot easier if you people wore uniforms so our attackers could tell us apart but you hide amongst us so...you know how that goes.

Riiiiight. So you think that the probably of "legitimate" targets at an Ariana Grande concert is high, and you "understand" why terrorists would attack there. Just like mortars shot at Israel is perfectly fine. The Israelis should just allow terrorist attacks, right eyeball? Or they should have just went Pakistani on everyone within their border back in '49 and then everything would be cool, they wouldn't have these problems and everyone would be happy, right eyeball?

I personally doubt that many 12 year olds deserve to be targeted to die from bombs or shrapnel but if you think it's "understandable" then that says all that I need to know about you.

You're deeply sick in the head eyeball. Truly evil. I don't really feel the need to oblige you with any more reasonable replies after this. My pat answer for you when you reply to any of my posts from now on is just going to be "I don't converse with terrorist sympathizers" ok? 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Riiiiight. So you think that the probably of "legitimate" targets at an Ariana Grande concert is high, and you "understand" why terrorists would attack there. Just like mortars shot at Israel is perfectly fine.

And drone attacks on schools in Muslim countries too.  Its all perfectly supportable..

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You're deeply sick in the head eyeball. Truly evil.

Yes I know, they don't compare me to Pol Pot and Stalin around here for nothing.

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I don't really feel the need to oblige you with any more reasonable replies after this.

Let me know when you finally come up with one.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

And drone attacks on schools in Muslim countries too.  Its all perfectly supportable..

Yes I know, they don't compare me to Pol Pot and Stalin around here for nothing.

Let me know when you finally come up with one.

So full of crap and hideous ideology. But I guess that’s what one should expect from a terrorist sympathizer. 

[taxme]

On 8/13/2018 at 11:05 AM, turningrite said:

I've long said that the Conservatives really messed up when Bernier lost the party's leadership. I think he's one of the few willing to speak out on principle about a lot of issues Canadians find problematic and/or perplexing. In a news report today, he criticizes Trudeau's "cult of diversity" as being divisive and counterproductive:

"Trudeau's extreme multiculturalism and cult of diversity will divide us into little tribes that have less and less in common, apart from their dependence on government in Ottawa. These tribes become political clienteles to be bought with taxpayers $ and special privileges"

According to the CBC story, the usual progressive criticisms of "racism" and "xenophobia" have emerged, of course, but I suspect Bernier has highlighted misgivings held by a lot of Canadians about Trudeau's multicultural and diversity obsessions, which our political leaders in general are far too hesitant to address. Maybe Bernier could start a new party? My guess is that it would quickly garner lots of support.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/maxime-bernier-extreme-multiculturalism-1.4783325

The conservative party and Scheer have invited all the left wing liberal media outlets in Canada to their conservative convention in Halifax but have decided to not give Ezra Levant and The Rebel an invitation. Why would Scheer not want to have The Rebel attend? Why would Scheer want to invite a bunch of lefty liberal media outfits to his convention when you know already that the Canadian leftist liberal media hates your guts and is always out to destroy the conservative party? The Rebel is on Scheer's and the conservative party's side but yet The Rebel is treated like shit by Scheer. Also Scheer has invited many liberal and NDP executives as observers to their convention their sworn enemies. Even some Muslim groups was invited. 

Scheer is not a conservative at all but obviously appears to be just another conservative in sheep's clothing. If Scheer is a real conservative than why doesn't he show it? Why? Because Scheer is a politically correct coward who is afraid and terrified to speak political correctness and this kind of cowardly act will give the election and the country back to dictator Trudeau.

It is plain as day that Scheer is no Ford or Trump. Apparently speaking political incorrectness worked well for those two. I believe that Scheer will be handing the next election to the liberals. At least we all should know by now as to where Trudeau stands. Destroy the old Canada. Scheer should be out there trying to save the old Canada and not run away like the wimp that he appears to be. Bernier may have been the last chance for the conservative party to win the next election. They appear to may have blown it now. The fools and idiots. The conservative party give the conservative movement a bad name. Bloody sad indeed. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

So full of crap and hideous ideology. But I guess that’s what one should expect from a terrorist sympathizer. 

That's exactly what I say about people who sympathize with our supportive policies towards dictatorships.

[WestCanMan]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

1 hour ago, taxme said:

The conservative party and Scheer have invited all the left wing liberal media outlets in Canada to their conservative convention in Halifax but have decided to not give Ezra Levant and The Rebel an invitation. Why would Scheer not want to have The Rebel attend? Why would Scheer want to invite a bunch of lefty liberal media outfits to his convention when you know already that the Canadian leftist liberal media hates your guts and is always out to destroy the conservative party? The Rebel is on Scheer's and the conservative party's side but yet The Rebel is treated like shit by Scheer. Also Scheer has invited many liberal and NDP executives as observers to their convention their sworn enemies. Even some Muslim groups was invited. 

Scheer is not a conservative at all but obviously appears to be just another conservative in sheep's clothing. If Scheer is a real conservative than why doesn't he show it? Why? Because Scheer is a politically correct coward who is afraid and terrified to speak political correctness and this kind of cowardly act will give the election and the country back to dictator Trudeau.

It is plain as day that Scheer is no Ford or Trump. Apparently speaking political incorrectness worked well for those two. I believe that Scheer will be handing the next election to the liberals. At least we all should know by now as to where Trudeau stands. Destroy the old Canada. Scheer should be out there trying to save the old Canada and not run away like the wimp that he appears to be. Bernier may have been the last chance for the conservative party to win the next election. They appear to may have blown it now. The fools and idiots. The conservative party give the conservative movement a bad name. Bloody sad indeed. 

That's exactly what I say about people who sympathize with our supportive policies towards dictatorships.

1 hour ago, taxme said:

The conservative party and Scheer have invited all the left wing liberal media outlets in Canada to their conservative convention in Halifax but have decided to not give Ezra Levant and The Rebel an invitation. Why would Scheer not want to have The Rebel attend? Why would Scheer want to invite a bunch of lefty liberal media outfits to his convention when you know already that the Canadian leftist liberal media hates your guts and is always out to destroy the conservative party? The Rebel is on Scheer's and the conservative party's side but yet The Rebel is treated like shit by Scheer. Also Scheer has invited many liberal and NDP executives as observers to their convention their sworn enemies. Even some Muslim groups was invited. 

Scheer is not a conservative at all but obviously appears to be just another conservative in sheep's clothing. If Scheer is a real conservative than why doesn't he show it? Why? Because Scheer is a politically correct coward who is afraid and terrified to speak political correctness and this kind of cowardly act will give the election and the country back to dictator Trudeau.

It is plain as day that Scheer is no Ford or Trump. Apparently speaking political incorrectness worked well for those two. I believe that Scheer will be handing the next election to the liberals. At least we all should know by now as to where Trudeau stands. Destroy the old Canada. Scheer should be out there trying to save the old Canada and not run away like the wimp that he appears to be. Bernier may have been the last chance for the conservative party to win the next election. They appear to may have blown it now. The fools and idiots. The conservative party give the conservative movement a bad name. Bloody sad indeed. 

 

 

I think we both agree on what we want our next leader to be like here, but we disagree on what it will take to defeat Trudeau in an election. 

Trudeau would like nothing more than to run against a “scary Trump clone” because his fear mongering won’t work against smiling Andrew Scheer.

Trudeau will have to stick to policy to beat Scheer and even the CBC can’t defend Trudeau’s idiotic domestic policies, his foreign affairs fiascos, his disdain for our culture, the massive debt load he just piled on, the destruction of our energy sector, his penchant for driving away trade and investment, and his ethics breeches.

If Trudeau ran against Bernier this is what it would look like:

Bernier: “Why are you so intent on killing the enrgy sector?”

Trudeau: “Why are you such a racist?”

etc, etc, etc

Bernier could run circles around Trudeau in a debate, then the CBC would lead their newscasts with “Trudeau faces down Bernier over his racist, dictatorial policies” and that’s all that most people would see, because not a lot of people actually watch the debates.

I would rather win with Scheer at the helm than lose a close election with Bernier. If we get stuck with another Trudeau government we are royally screwed. Almost nobody admits to being a Trudeau fanboy anymore but they’re still out there, just below the surface, like maggots in a rotting fish.

 

[OftenWrong]

12 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Almost nobody admits to being a Trudeau fanboy anymore but they’re still out there, just below the surface, like maggots in a rotting fish.

Most maggots, er, voters finally decide based on the alternatives, and those options are looking kinda bad right now.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Most maggots, er, voters finally decide based on the alternatives, and those options are looking kinda bad right now.

Maybe Scheer isn’t the exact leader you want - it’s impossible for any candidate to share all of the exact same opinions you do - but don’t you think he’s 1,000 times better than the Justinian plague?

Could he possibly give away as much money as Trudeau? Embarass us on the world stage like Trudeau? Start a trade war with the US? Give tens of millions to terrorists? Denigrate Canadians and our culture as often? Do you think he would kill our energy sector and drive away $100B in investment? Tax Canadian oil and not foreign oil? Would he just open up our border and drain our economy with unsustainable numbers of immigrants getting food, housing, medical, dental, etc, even after he said that we don’t have money for suicidal first nations kids or veterans? 

The only worse alternative than Trudeau is being conquered by Attila the Hun and that choice is off the board. 

[turningrite]

On 8/23/2018 at 7:51 PM, Argus said:

I'm unaware of any disunity in Japan. The disunity in Scandinavia definitely has 100% to do with immigration. Not sure which Asian country you're referring to. AFAIK all disunity is because of different ethnicities  and religious groups in the same country.

I believe you're correct. The biggest threat to social harmony and unity in much of the world appears to be "diversity," particularly where people believe it is foisted on them. As a (now late) friend of mine who spent a lot of time in Southeast Asia used to note, ethnic and religious differences and animosities in the region generated the fuel that ignited and sustained many fires. And we're now seeing what significant immigration is doing in Scandinavia, and particularly Sweden, long considered one of the world's most tolerant places.

As a column by David Brooks in the NY Times noted a few months back ('The Strange Failure of the Educated Elite'), promoting diversity for the sake of diversity is doomed to failure. The political and economic elites, the column points out, have developed a "misplaced idolization of diversity" and have apparently failed to realize that "diversity for its own sake, without a common telos, is infinitely centrifugal, and leads to social fragmentation."

In other words, the maintenance of common values is crucial to harmoniously functioning societies. Ordinary voters, including in the largely tolerant democratic West, on the other hand, seem increasingly cognizant of this reality. The elites and their MSM acolytes continue to wail about intolerance and racism (Hello Justin!) without recognizing the underlying forces they're encouraging. Healthy modern societies are not blank canvasses upon which fanciful visions can be painted. Rather, they're rich, textured and intricately interconnected murals where the impact of each new element that might be added has to be considered in relation to every other aspect on the canvas. 

 

Edited August 26, 2018 by turningrite

[taxme]

18 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

 

I think we both agree on what we want our next leader to be like here, but we disagree on what it will take to defeat Trudeau in an election. 

Trudeau would like nothing more than to run against a “scary Trump clone” because his fear mongering won’t work against smiling Andrew Scheer.

Trudeau will have to stick to policy to beat Scheer and even the CBC can’t defend Trudeau’s idiotic domestic policies, his foreign affairs fiascos, his disdain for our culture, the massive debt load he just piled on, the destruction of our energy sector, his penchant for driving away trade and investment, and his ethics breeches.

If Trudeau ran against Bernier this is what it would look like:

Bernier: “Why are you so intent on killing the enrgy sector?”

Trudeau: “Why are you such a racist?”

etc, etc, etc

Bernier could run circles around Trudeau in a debate, then the CBC would lead their newscasts with “Trudeau faces down Bernier over his racist, dictatorial policies” and that’s all that most people would see, because not a lot of people actually watch the debates.

I would rather win with Scheer at the helm than lose a close election with Bernier. If we get stuck with another Trudeau government we are royally screwed. Almost nobody admits to being a Trudeau fanboy anymore but they’re still out there, just below the surface, like maggots in a rotting fish.

 

The CBC is an enemy of conservatism and it takes a strong conservative leader like a Trump one to stand up to those left wing liberal news outfit. Anytime one ever watches Trudeau being interviewed by the media party(Global/CBC/CTV)there are never any hard questions being asked of him. But with Scheer he has to be promoted and be seen as a racist somehow and has to fight that image being put on him by the CBC and get it off his back. All anyone has to do when called a racist or presumed to be a racist is just ask that person as to where is your proof that I am a racist. Don't just sit there like a dummy and try and defend yourself by saying but I am not a racist and stop there. Fight the accusation with gusto.

Trump took to Twitter to get his points across to his supporters because he did not trust or like the lying left wing liberal media. The lefty liberal media would take everything Trump said out of context to make him always look bad. I hope that Scheer is doing the same thing and using Twitter to get his points out to we the people. Ignore and bypass the liberal media. They hate that. When a leader cowards in front of the left wing liberal media they will have a field day with you. Bernier showed us that he was politically correct nor frightened to talk about immigration like Scheer appears to be. There will be no doubt that another term of Trudeau the destroyer of Canada will destroy Canada forever. Trudeau is doing a great job of doing that now.  

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, taxme said:

1) The CBC is an enemy of conservatism and it takes a strong conservative leader like a Trump one to stand up to those left wing liberal news outfit.

2) Anytime one ever watches Trudeau being interviewed by the media party(Global/CBC/CTV)there are never any hard questions being asked of him.

3) But with Scheer he has to be promoted and be seen as a racist somehow and has to fight that image being put on him by the CBC and get it off his back.

4) All anyone has to do when called a racist or presumed to be a racist is just ask that person as to where is your proof that I am a racist. Don't just sit there like a dummy and try and defend yourself by saying but I am not a racist and stop there. Fight the accusation with gusto.

5)Trump took to Twitter to get his points across to his supporters because he did not trust or like the lying left wing liberal media. The lefty liberal media would take everything Trump said out of context to make him always look bad. I hope that Scheer is doing the same thing and using Twitter to get his points out to we the people. Ignore and bypass the liberal media. They hate that. When a leader cowards in front of the left wing liberal media they will have a field day with you. Bernier showed us that he was politically correct nor frightened to talk about immigration like Scheer appears to be. There will be no doubt that another term of Trudeau the destroyer of Canada will destroy Canada forever. Trudeau is doing a great job of doing that now.  

1) Agree 100%

2) Agree 100%

3) True, but to a far lesser extent for Scheer than for Bernier now. I don't think that Bernier can win this fight in Lib-crazy Canada, anymore than Trump could win it in Dembass California. 

4) That should be true, but the media will not stop at just asking it once, they'll ask it from top to bottom, left to right, over and over again.  He can answer it perfectly 1,000 times in a row but if he gives them 1 sound-byte that comes out wrong that will become his official stance on CBC and they'll play that answer ad nauseam until the day after election day. It would become Bernier/Sheer's version of "the budget will balance itself".

Another thing: some people in business/sports psychology say that the sub-conscious brain never fully understands the negative in a sentence, so for example when you say "Trudeau is not a racist" he automatically becomes associated with the word racist in the listeners mind, rightly or wrongly. When the media asks the question over and over, whoever answers it will just have their name re-associated with racism every time. 

One thing that you need to know about Libs is that they are the most programmable, least critical thinkers among us. If you say something or show them something that provokes a strong emotion within them you can associate it with whatever you want and they'll never think to doubt it. Show them a dead dog with tire-tracks on it on the side of the road and tell them that it's the result of global warming and they'll go protest at an Esso station, it's really that simple. Just like when a guy went through Pulse Nightclub yelling Allah Akbar killing gay people, CNN blamed guns and the NRA, and at the pride parade in NY 1 week later 50,00 people walked behind a rainbow banner that said "REPUBLICAN HATE KILLS" lol. It's a despicable crime against the dead to switch the cause of their murderer to suit your own political cause but It's what CNN does best.

5) The lefty media already has their gold-mine of a tweet from Bernier. I personally think twitter is a terrible format for getting out a message anyways. When a topic is really important/sensitive, you need more than 200 characters to express it clearly.

 

[taxme]

14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

1) Agree 100%

2) Agree 100%

3) True, but to a far lesser extent for Scheer than for Bernier now. I don't think that Bernier can win this fight in Lib-crazy Canada, anymore than Trump could win it in Dembass California. 

4) That should be true, but the media will not stop at just asking it once, they'll ask it from top to bottom, left to right, over and over again.  He can answer it perfectly 1,000 times in a row but if he gives them 1 sound-byte that comes out wrong that will become his official stance on CBC and they'll play that answer ad nauseam until the day after election day. It would become Bernier/Sheer's version of "the budget will balance itself".

Another thing: some people in business/sports psychology say that the sub-conscious brain never fully understands the negative in a sentence, so for example when you say "Trudeau is not a racist" he automatically becomes associated with the word racist in the listeners mind, rightly or wrongly. When the media asks the question over and over, whoever answers it will just have their name re-associated with racism every time. 

One thing that you need to know about Libs is that they are the most programmable, least critical thinkers among us. If you say something or show them something that provokes a strong emotion within them you can associate it with whatever you want and they'll never think to doubt it. Show them a dead dog with tire-tracks on it on the side of the road and tell them that it's the result of global warming and they'll go protest at an Esso station, it's really that simple. Just like when a guy went through Pulse Nightclub yelling Allah Akbar killing gay people, CNN blamed guns and the NRA, and at the pride parade in NY 1 week later 50,00 people walked behind a rainbow banner that said "REPUBLICAN HATE KILLS" lol. It's a despicable crime against the dead to switch the cause of their murderer to suit your own political cause but It's what CNN does best.

5) The lefty media already has their gold-mine of a tweet from Bernier. I personally think twitter is a terrible format for getting out a message anyways. When a topic is really important/sensitive, you need more than 200 characters to express it clearly.

 

4. Well, all one has to do is just say to some dumb ass lefty liberal media guy/gal who keeps asking the same question over and over again all of the time is that I already told the media once as to where I stand on that issue and go check it out and I will say no more on it and then ask what else would you like to know. Just shut them up anyway one can. Even Trump has told CNN reporters that he won't talk to them anymore because they report and are fake news. Trump knows the lefty liberal media hates his guts so he is pretty much saying to them get lost or your "fired". And you know what? The people love it. Don't just stand there and let the media make a fool of you. And never tell the people what the media wants one to tell we the people. Tell we the people what they really want to hear like I believe in more freedom, less taxes and less government as Premier Ford is saying and will be going to do in Ontario from now on. Get government off the we the people's back. Idiots like our prime mistake is trying to break our backs. 

Instead of trying to ban guns and take them away from law abiding hand gun owners what the federal government should be doing is saying to we the people that if a crime is committed with a gun you will be going to jail for a very very long time. Send a few criminals who use a hand gun in a crime to jail for a minimum of 25 years. That should help to go along way in making someone think about wanting to use a hand gun in a crime. Don't make the honest hand gun owner the criminal, make the guy who uses a hand gun in a crime the criminal. 

Twitter is working well for Trump. He just keeps on tweeting and it is working well for him.