Bernier criticizes Trudeau's "extreme multiculturalism"

[taxme]

2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Canada didn't have slavery....unless you count the Haida and similar tribes. 

I do not believe that the Haida or any other native Indians were ever slaves in Canada. Our native Indians were never put in chains. Maybe they all were some what mistreated in the past but were never real slaves. Just saying. 

[Argus]

3 hours ago, h102 said:

Good question, in the case of blacks they were forced here in chains by whites to build the country,

98% of Blacks in Canada came over here within the last forty years. 

3 hours ago, h102 said:

in the case of natives, they were already here.  In the case of the other groups, most of them come from uni-culture countries or regions, where racism as it exist in Canada is non-existent,

According to international surveys of racism, Canada and the western European countries, along with the US, are the least racist nations on Earth. The MOST racist nation is India, followed by mostly Muslim countries in the Middle East, North Africa and Asia.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325502/Map-shows-worlds-racist-countries-answers-surprise-you.html

 

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Well, look at that.  Canada is one of the least racist but listening to some here and our prime minister, we're one of the worst.

I'm beginning to suspect one of the new guys is a troll....

[Centerpiece]

18 minutes ago, Argus said:

98% of Blacks in Canada came over here within the last forty years. 

According to international surveys of racism, Canada and the western European countries, along with the US, are the least racist nations on Earth. The MOST racist nation is India, followed by mostly Muslim countries in the Middle East, North Africa and Asia.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325502/Map-shows-worlds-racist-countries-answers-surprise-you.html

 

Not really surprising to those who pay attention and can actually think for themselves. That said, it clearly demonstrates the need to adjust integration education - both before arriving in Canada, and afterwards as these culturally biased prospective Canadians find their way in a more inclusive and tolerant society.

Trudeau may believe that Canada has no core identity and no mainstream - which in itself is nonsense - but whatever identity Canadians think define us are far removed from these intolerent countries.

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

I do not believe that the Haida or any other native Indians were ever slaves in Canada. Our native Indians were never put in chains. Maybe they all were some what mistreated in the past but were never real slaves. Just saying. 

 

The Haida kept slaves.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Islam has been 'shooting-up' the planet since its inception. One of its first acts was to behead 900 Jews and have a party.

So what, so has virtually every other human society.

The difference is that ours should know better than to behave as badly as it does. The fact it does makes us worse in s lot of ways. We can't blame out on ignorance.

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

His comments have certainly triggered a lot of full blown retardation.

I'm an even greater person because I'm not a racist

It was brilliant actually and hot too apparently given how quickly it inflamed.

No I meant the simple sort of ignorant trash one expects from a trailer park where people use confederate flags for drapes.  

No, it's reality.

That's retarded.

There's the trash I was talking about.

It would be even fairer to say that people from the Balkans had to endure this racist trash back in their day too. 

Eyeball your posts are utterly devoid of facts and full of sandbox insults, what exactly are you trying to accomplish? 

 

[Michael Hardner]

7 hours ago, Argus said:

1. If the elites control the levers of power and the major media then it's fairly easily maintained.

2. The elitist consensus on immigration, multiculturalism and diversity, for example, is that all are good and none have any drawbacks and anyone who questions any of them is basically an Adolph Hitler wannabee.

 

1. It's an ironic term - I get it now.  The levers of power argument only works so far...

2. There is economic orthodoxy there too, don't ignore that or you will seem like you are trying to cover it up.

[Argus]

22 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. It's an ironic term - I get it now.  The levers of power argument only works so far...

2. There is economic orthodoxy there too, don't ignore that or you will seem like you are trying to cover it up.

The orthodoxy is based on lack of information or misinformation. The economic argument has never been proven. The government hasn't even attempted to support it. The immigration program has no milestones or goals to measure it's success. It doesn't even have a stated goal. And costs are never mentioned, nor questioned.

For example, Trudeau's government doubled the number of seniors allowed to come into Canada each year, and have now doubled it again. In all the reports on TV and in various newspapers on this not a single reporter has even suggested there might even BE any costs associated with it. The information is conveyed that the numbers will be increased to 20,000 a year, and then on to the next story. No reporter wonders how this goes with the government's oft repeated statements that one of the main purposes of immigration is to combat an aging population. No reporter wonders how adding 20,000 elderly immigrants a year will impact a health system already overburdened with seniors. No reporter questions the motivation or suggests this might be politically motivated.

This is the laziness of the Canadian mainstream media and their reluctance to criticize or even examine any aspect of immigration.

Oh, for the record, the cost of bringing in 20,000 seniors in each year is upwards of $4 billion per year. This as per the costs listed by Jason Kenney in 2013 when the government restricted the numbers to 5,000. That was the cost of health care. He also said more than 25% were winding up on welfare, but those costs weren't calculated or added.

Edited August 21, 2018 by Argus

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

So what, so has virtually every other human society.

The difference is that ours should know better than to behave as badly as it does. The fact it does makes us worse in s lot of ways. We can't blame out on ignorance.

 

Islam's specific goal is the destruction of the West...your home...and global Islamic hegemony and fascism...of course.

No other culture has the destruction of its perceived competitors encoded into religious texts.

 

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, eyeball said:

No, what its like, is that so many Muslim guys come from terrifying places that have been shot up, all too often by us and strongmen we support - which is to also say us, if we're to subscribe to the idea that voters in a democracy are responsible for the actions their governments take, including any taken by the military alliances our governments make. 

 

Eyeball that would make sense if terrorism was a new thing, or if it was just Palestinians doing it (there are about 150 terrorist attacks per month worldwide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_January_2017), but it's been happening since before Palestine was created. It actually goes back 1,400 years, to when Mohammed was kicked out of Mecca for ostracizing people with different religious beliefs and destroying their idols (aka religious bigotry).  

And FYI the muslims aren't the innocent victims of european aggression that you make them out to be either. When they had the more powerful armies they used Europe as a happy hunting ground for slaves for about 400 years until the Crusades started.

I'm not saying that's an excuse to go around killing anyone right now, I'm saying that 90% of all the people who ever lived in a muslim-controlled area lived a life of fear unless they converted because of the various forms of terrorism. What you call "intolerance" or "bigotry" here passes as "light conversation with infidel minorities" in wealthy, modernized Arab states.

Sorry to spoil all your religiously-bigoted fun with actual facts. 

 

 

 

 

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, h102 said:

Good question, in the case of blacks they were forced here in chains by whites to build the country, in the case of natives, they were already here.  In the case of the other groups, most of them come from uni-culture countries or regions, where racism as it exist in Canada is non-existent, so they could not even imagine such a scenario as a person hating them for simply existing or regarding them as sub-human.  They are naive to this, I guess it is a form of culture shock.

Where do you get your information from? CNN?

[Michael Hardner]

45 minutes ago, Argus said:

1. The economic argument has never been proven.  

2. This is the laziness of the Canadian mainstream media and their reluctance to criticize or even examine any aspect of immigration.

3. Oh, for the record, the cost of bringing in 20,000 seniors in each year is upwards of $4 billion per year.

4.  This as per the costs listed by Jason Kenney in 2013 when the government restricted the numbers to 5,000. That was the cost of health care. He also said more than 25% were winding up on welfare, but those costs weren't calculated or added.

1. There are no proofs in economics.

2. That's fair comment.  

3.  $200K per senior ?  How does that work ?  

4.  $200K per senior on average for welfare ?  Aren't these folks sponsored ?

Yes, I guess good facts are in short supply on all sides of this question.  I don't trust Jason Kenny or Justin Trudeau on this.  Maybe there's a third party, like a university ?

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Argus said:

98% of Blacks in Canada came over here within the last forty years. 

According to international surveys of racism, Canada and the western European countries, along with the US, are the least racist nations on Earth. The MOST racist nation is India, followed by mostly Muslim countries in the Middle East, North Africa and Asia.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2325502/Map-shows-worlds-racist-countries-answers-surprise-you.html

 

It's ironic that the people who consider themselves the "least racist" also have the least respect for our society, and love nothing more than bashing who we are and where we rose from. Humanity has a lot of skeletons in the closet and if we can be guilty of slave-ownership by our DNA then we're all guilty at some point along the line.

I always have to remind people that whites weren't the only people to ever own slaves, and that whites are the only culture that banished slavery when they were in a position of strength. Everyone hates slavery when they're the slaves, but who else ever abolished slavery when they didn't have to?

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Where do you get your information from? CNN?

"they were forced here in chains by whites to build the country, in the case of natives, they were already here."

Wow... You think CNN made that stuff up ?

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

"they were forced here in chains by whites to build the country, in the case of natives, they were already here."

Wow... You think CNN made that stuff up ?

Lol. That was partially a joke, but not completely. If you watch CNN you'll be left with the impression that only whites ever owned slaves, all whites owned slaves and just loved it, only blacks were ever enslaved, and pretty much every black person in the US is owed compensation for it. 

I think we both are 100% aware of the fact that the post I was replying to was starving for accurate facts.

[eyeball]

8 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Eyeball your posts are utterly devoid of facts

All 22,342 of them, you read every one?  Wow. 

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and full of sandbox insults, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

 

Just throwing it back in your fucking faces. 

[eyeball]

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Eyeball that would make sense if terrorism was a new thing,

It actually goes back 1,400 years

Facepalm/

Racist bullshit.

Edited August 22, 2018 by eyeball

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, eyeball said:

Facepalm/

Racist bullshit.

Eyeball you just made two more posts that are totally devoid of facts, stats & insights, where you failed to address actual topics where you were proven to be wrong.

Your debating style is "when your arguments don't have a leg to stand on just act condescending, swear like a drunk sailor, and make some accusations from left field" lol.

If there's a "sandbox debates" website you should go there. You'll be a rock star.

[Argus]

15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. There are no proofs in economics.

No evidence, then. I will repeat something I've said before. When the PCs wanted to TRIPLE immigration back in 1984 they consulted the Economic Council of Canada, which at that time was a government economics think tank (later abolished for giving the government answers it didn't like). They asked it if tripling immigration would help the economy. The ECC studied this and replied that it might help a bit, might hurt a bit depending on the mix, and that the decision would have to be based on non-economic reasons. That's about as neutral a voice as you're ever likely to get and their opinion does not sustain the government's stated belief that ramping up immigration higher and higher is going to help our economy.

 

15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

4.  $200K per senior on average for welfare ?  Aren't these folks sponsored ?

They're not sponsored for life. And the government rarely enforces sponsorship orders anyway. Plus, of course, sponsorship does not include health care costs.

15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Yes, I guess good facts are in short supply on all sides of this question.  I don't trust Jason Kenny or Justin Trudeau on this.  Maybe there's a third party, like a university ?

I trust Jason Kenney who was known as the Tory's ethnic wrangler, the guy whose job was to please ethnic communities, for telling us something which did NOT please ethnic communities rather than Trudeau, who offers no numbers or evidence and whose job seems to be to entice ethnic groups to vote Liberal by paying whatever the price is they ask. Besides which what do you imagine the cost of health care services is to elderly people? I mean, the deal we make is we start paying for it in our 20s when we rarely use it, and then recoup that value when we get old, which is when we use more and more health care services.

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Eyeball you just made two more posts that are totally devoid of facts, stats & insights

They're called opinions.

[WestCanMan]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They're called opinions.

I cite facts, you counter with lowbrow opinions.

Got it.

[PIK]

I understand from what I have read 17% of refugees actually do work ,where the left kind of likes to refer to all of them help the economy.

[turningrite]

29 minutes ago, PIK said:

I understand from what I have read 17% of refugees actually do work ,where the left kind of likes to refer to all of them help the economy.

Leftists generally display a poor grasp of economics. Where large refugee flows and high immigration levels do "help" the economy, this is a function of the impact of new entrants into labor markets, which suppresses wages, and into the broader marketplace where they bid of up the price of goods and services, including housing, that are in short supply. In other words, it's a boon for capital but lowers living standards for many, particularly for those who lack economic resources and stability in the first place, and exacerbates economic inequality. The respected British economist, Sir Paul Collier, has discussed the negative implications of large-scale migration in developed economies, but you won't hear people like Trudeau discuss anything but rainbows and unicorns.

Edited August 22, 2018 by turningrite

[taxme]

20 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The Haida kept slaves.

I must assume then that the Haida Indians kept other Indians as slaves. So slavery was nothing new in North America and it was happening long before the Europeans arrived. Interesting.