turningrite Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, GostHacked said: And for those who like to call out terror attacks done by Muslims, why are you silent on this matter?? If Assad had done this in Syria, we'd be hearing about it. The Yemeni conflict involves several Muslim countries. Although strategic alliances play a background role, the Yemeni conflict, unlike the one in Syria, isn't particularly important to the West. It's seen as a relatively minor proxy skirmish and the West simply isn't willing to compromise its alliance with the Saudis and has therefore taken a mainly 'hands off' approach, while continuing of course to ship arms to the Saudis. There's money to be made, after all. There been no need to crank up the Western propaganda machine or to agitate antsy activists to lionize or demonize the various actors in this conflict. The notion that principles govern Western attitudes on issues in the region is largely laughable. Edited August 29, 2018 by turningrite Quote
Army Guy Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 On 8/27/2018 at 6:06 PM, GostHacked said: You had admitted a couple posts back that oil and money are the reason we keep bedfellows like the Saudis. Why would you not think Afghanistan was not about resources? It was also about the supply of opiates for the medical industry in Europe and NA. The Taliban had wiped out opium production, but only a year after the invasion , the production was up to the same levels before the Taliban started taking it out. It seems quite obvious to me that this was never about freedom and democracy for the people of Afghanistan. Yes money and oil does drive most of what we do....But the resources that are in Afghanistan are still in the ground too expensive or complicated to exact....NO Pipe lines, no nothing......unless of course you can find a source that states other wise...Opiates, really.....that makes total sense now.....good business sense to spend Bils every month to make what maybe a 10 bil a year....not to mention the bils in losses to equipment and troops....Yes the was a lot of opiates there, but not enough to make it profitable for anyone... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Proud Jewish Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, GostHacked said: And for those who like to call out terror attacks done by Muslims, why are you silent on this matter?? http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/saudi-united-arab-emirates-yemen-un-war-crimes-1.4801407 If Assad had done this in Syria, we'd be hearing about it. Assad had killed over 500000, but a one-eyed person can only look at one side. Let's be objective.. When the Saudis expelled the Canadian Ambassador, you started about Yemeni conflict...Before u were all quiet about it... Expelling the canadian ambassador shook your pride and the pain is making u jump left and right looking for things to attack the Saudis.. The dogs are barking but the caravan is moving on... Quote
GostHacked Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Proud Jewish said: Assad had killed over 500000, but a one-eyed person can only look at one side. Let's be objective.. When the Saudis expelled the Canadian Ambassador, you started about Yemeni conflict...Before u were all quiet about it... Expelling the canadian ambassador shook your pride and the pain is making u jump left and right looking for things to attack the Saudis.. The dogs are barking but the caravan is moving on... If you read any of my past posts regarding the M.E. you'd understand that you are mistaken about me being quite on Yemen or the Saudis. And it did not shake my pride, I'd have no problem with saying bye bye to the Saudis. I welcome them leaving. But if you excuse Saudi Arabia for their actions, then you should also be doing that for Assad, or the late Hussein and Qaddafi. Quote
OftenWrong Posted August 29, 2018 Report Posted August 29, 2018 2 hours ago, GostHacked said: I'd have no problem with saying bye bye to the Saudis. I welcome them leaving. Do you mean any and all Saudi's, because they are Saudi's? Quote
GostHacked Posted August 30, 2018 Report Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Do you mean any and all Saudi's, because they are Saudi's? Well of course I was being facetious about it, the good ones can stay. But we should simply close their embassy kick out the Saudi diplomats and cut ties with their government. Edited August 30, 2018 by GostHacked Quote
Argus Posted August 30, 2018 Author Report Posted August 30, 2018 A worthwhile story from Newsweek on how the Saudis are playing a PR game to con the West. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/analysis-did-saudi-arabias-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-con-the-west/ar-BBMEAKt?ocid=spartanntp Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Proud Jewish Posted August 31, 2018 Report Posted August 31, 2018 10 hours ago, Argus said: A worthwhile story from Newsweek on how the Saudis are playing a PR game to con the West. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/analysis-did-saudi-arabias-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-con-the-west/ar-BBMEAKt?ocid=spartanntp The Newsweek story is full of mistakes and misinterpretations of facts and it is not stating the source of their information. Those who are jailed have committed crimes as classified by the Saudi Laws. The Saudis have the right to protect their national security and all countries do that. Each country will decide the required measures for their national security. No matter what good the Saudis do, some will always have something bad to say. But... The dogs are baking and the caravan is moving on... Quote
GostHacked Posted August 31, 2018 Report Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Proud Jewish said: The Newsweek story is full of mistakes and misinterpretations of facts and it is not stating the source of their information. Those who are jailed have committed crimes as classified by the Saudi Laws. The Saudis have the right to protect their national security and all countries do that. Each country will decide the required measures for their national security. No matter what good the Saudis do, some will always have something bad to say. But... The dogs are baking and the caravan is moving on... They did tweet this out ... These are the type of people to do business with?? https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-appeared-to-threaten-canada-with-a-911-style-attack-2018-8 Quote Saudi Arabia's state media on Monday tweeted a graphic appearing to show an Air Canada airliner heading toward the Toronto skyline in a way that recalled the September 11, 2001, terrorist hijackings of airliners that struck the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. The graphic warned of "Sticking one's nose where it doesn't belong!" and included the text: "As the Arabic saying goes: 'He who interferes with what doesn't concern him finds what doesn't please him.'" And remember where most of the 9/11 Hijackers were from. Imagine if the hijackers were Iranian and what the difference would have been. https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/27/us/september-11th-hijackers-fast-facts/index.html Let's also not forget where Bin Laden came from and that the Bin Ladens are still a powerful group within Saudi Arabia. Hijackers by Airplane:American Airlines Flight 11 Mohamed Atta - Egypt, tactical leader of 9/11 plot and pilot Abdul Aziz al Omari - Saudi Arabia Wail al Shehri - Saudi Arabia Waleed al Shehri - Saudi Arabia Satam al Suqami - Saudi Arabia United Airlines Flight 175 Fayez Banihammad - United Arab Emirates Ahmed al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia Hamza al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia Marwan al Shehhi - United Arab Emirates, pilot Mohand al Shehri - Saudi Arabia American Airlines Flight 77 Hani Hanjour - Saudi Arabia, pilot Nawaf al Hazmi - Saudi Arabia Salem al Hazmi - Saudi Arabia Khalid al Mihdhar - Saudi Arabia Majed Moqed - Saudi Arabia United Airlines Flight 93 Saeed al Ghamdi - Saudi Arabia Ahmad al Haznawi - Saudi ArabiaZiad Jarrah - Lebanon, pilot Ahmed al Nami - Saudi Arabia But at least women are now allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. Edited August 31, 2018 by GostHacked Quote
Argus Posted August 31, 2018 Author Report Posted August 31, 2018 Another story from Newsweek pointing out the hypocrisy of Saudi Arabia, committing war crimes in Yemen while claiming they're doing humanitarian work, and blocading Qatar for 'funding terrorism' after the Saudis gave money and safe passage to Al Quaeda fighters. For there is new evidence from an Associated Press investigation that the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen has actually been negotiating, paying and helping Al-Qaeda, the terror group behind the 9/11 attacks. So, a months-long offensive, Operation Swift Sword, was portrayed as a victory in the mountainous province of Shabwa for Emirati and Yemeni fighters over Al-Qaeda forces which had dominated the region for three years. The UAE ambassador to Washington, Yousef al-Otaiba, said the triumph would "disrupt the terrorist organisation’s network and degrade its ability to conduct future attacks." What wasn’t revealed was how weeks earlier the two sides had reportedly negotiated for trucks full of masked Al-Qaeda militants to quietly leave the area. About 200 Al-Qaeda fighters received payment, with one getting £20,000 ($26,000). Some have even joined the coalition side. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/opinion-the-sheer-despicable-hypocrisy-of-saudi-arabia/ar-BBMHAfZ?ocid=spartanntp Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 31, 2018 Author Report Posted August 31, 2018 15 hours ago, Proud Jewish said: The dogs are baking and the caravan is moving on... That's funny. Your posts remind me of a dog barking... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 7:41 AM, GostHacked said: And for those who like to call out terror attacks done by Muslims, why are you silent on this matter?? http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/saudi-united-arab-emirates-yemen-un-war-crimes-1.4801407 If Assad had done this in Syria, we'd be hearing about it. And if Russians were in Saudi Arabia we'd be hearing no end of it. ...but but but....shaddup! Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 On 8/29/2018 at 8:15 AM, turningrite said: The Yemeni conflict involves several Muslim countries. Although strategic alliances play a background role, the Yemeni conflict, unlike the one in Syria, isn't particularly important to the West. It's seen as a relatively minor proxy skirmish and the West simply isn't willing to compromise its alliance with the Saudis and has therefore taken a mainly 'hands off' approach, while continuing of course to ship arms to the Saudis. There's money to be made, after all. There been no need to crank up the Western propaganda machine or to agitate antsy activists to lionize or demonize the various actors in this conflict. You make our attitudes sound so...antiseptic and blase. Quote The notion that principles govern Western attitudes on issues in the region is largely laughable. Its also why terrorist retaliation from that region is largely justifiable. What's laughable is the outrage, especially when its contrasted against the blaseness. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Its also why terrorist retaliation from that region is largely justifiable. I don't know. The idea of hurting someone just because they look a lot like someone who hurt someone who looks a lot like you is kinda phobic... Quote
eyeball Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I don't know. The idea of hurting someone just because they look a lot like someone who hurt someone who looks a lot like you is kinda phobic... Is that what I said? No wonder you don't know. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Proud Jewish Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 10 hours ago, Argus said: That's funny. Your posts remind me of a dog barking... I understand the bitter feelings due to expelling the ambassador by the Saudis. The pain was much because u can't stop talking about it since August 7. the pain is making u jump left and right looking for things to attack the Saudis.. The Saudis are not perfect ....and none is...but The Saudis and so the Canadians will do what best that serve their national security and interests. Therefore, let's stop telling others what they should and shouldn't do. Quote
Argus Posted September 1, 2018 Author Report Posted September 1, 2018 8 hours ago, Proud Jewish said: Therefore, let's stop telling others what they should and shouldn't do. Why don't you just stick to your own country and stop trying to tell Canadians what they should and shouldn't do. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 11 hours ago, eyeball said: And if Russians were in Saudi Arabia we'd be hearing no end of it. ...but but but....shaddup! Like Syria, and back in Afghanistan. This is what I am have been trying to get to for a long time, western nations DO in fact support terrorism via Saudi Arabia. Those who complain anything about Islam are ALWAYS silent on this matter. Why? We bomb in Syria because of attacks just like what the Saudis did in Yemen, but no way would we ever say anything bad about the Saudis. Quote
GostHacked Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Proud Jewish said: I understand the bitter feelings due to expelling the ambassador by the Saudis. The pain was much because u can't stop talking about it since August 7. the pain is making u jump left and right looking for things to attack the Saudis.. The Saudis are not perfect ....and none is...but The Saudis and so the Canadians will do what best that serve their national security and interests. Therefore, let's stop telling others what they should and shouldn't do. Why are we so selective about who we point the finger at in the M.E. regarding attacks on other nations in the M.E.? Why is Syria bad and Saudi Arabia good? We sure are trying to tell Syria what to do. What should we do there? Quote
Proud Jewish Posted September 1, 2018 Report Posted September 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Argus said: Why don't you just stick to your own country and stop trying to tell Canadians what they should and shouldn't do. Your stupid government started getting into other's business so we got to them stay out... It is none of your business how we run our country. There are thousands of your fellow canadians making a decent living in Saudi Arabia and unless they respect the Saudi laws, they will be expelled too.. Quote
Argus Posted September 1, 2018 Author Report Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Proud Jewish said: Your stupid government started getting into other's business so we got to them stay out... It is none of your business how we run our country. There are thousands of your fellow canadians making a decent living in Saudi Arabia and unless they respect the Saudi laws, they will be expelled too.. Good. I could care less. In fact, all westerners should leave Saudi Arabia. Let them stand around staring at each other wondering how to make anything work. The Saudis are savages in the desert without the ability to build a house, let alone a building, without the knowledge to maintain HVAC systems or computers, who can't either drill or pump the oil that runs their economy. Leave them alone and they'll be riding camels and living in tents within a generation. Edited September 1, 2018 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted September 2, 2018 Report Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) 19 hours ago, eyeball said: Is that what I said? Largely... Edited September 2, 2018 by bcsapper Quote
eyeball Posted September 2, 2018 Report Posted September 2, 2018 13 hours ago, bcsapper said: Largely... Not even remotely. Christ in a stick, wtf is wrong with conservatives these days. It's like you're all on LSD. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted September 2, 2018 Report Posted September 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, eyeball said: . Christ in a stick, wtf is wrong with conservatives these days. It's like you're all on LSD. They won. And now the dupes who have been electing them for 3 decades are wondering when the living paradise is going to show up. Now the answer seems to be just a few more tax cuts and let white supremacists have their say... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Guest Posted September 2, 2018 Report Posted September 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: They won. And now the dupes who have been electing them for 3 decades are wondering when the living paradise is going to show up. Now the answer seems to be just a few more tax cuts and let white supremacists have their say... Awww, bless... Quote
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