Faisal Hussain - the evolving story

[Rue]

6 hours ago, marcus said:

You already concluded:

ISIS sent out a call to all it's followers to attack and in particular to attack Canada. This guy frequented their websites and responded to the call by conducting an attack

Maybe you're changing your approach? It's okay to change your mind.

I have. he is a terrorist and should be hung up by his testacles, and left to rot. Clear enough? You really want to play? You want to play he is not a terrorist go ahead but don't suggest what anyone else has concluded but me on this one. As for you, you already concluded he is a misunderstood victim. What is your point that only you are allowed an opinion? Don't play. You are the most bias person on this forum but you try pose as what exactly?  He's a terrorist. Hard for you to swallow. If he was an Israeli or a Jew you would be calling for him to be gassed. Spare me the righteous indignation.

[Rue]

19 hours ago, marcus said:

 

There are many dishonest people on this forum who have a hard on for Muslims.

When a terrorist is a Muslim,  and they are pointed out as being a terrorist, you exploit their Muslim identity and smeer all Muslims. You play the Muslim card to deflect from their terrorism. The fact a terrorist is a Muslim and uses Islamic beliefs to justify their terrorist acts does not make anyone anti Muslim for stating that.

You are a bigot. You come on this forum and make clear open bigoted comments about Jews, Israelis and Zionists and anyone who calls a terrorist (who is also Muslim) an anti Muslim. That is your m.o. on this forum as evidenced by the above pathetic attempt at smeering. Instead of accusing others of bigotry look in the mirror and accept what you are which is not only a bigot but someone who lumps all Muslims and Muslim terrorists in one category to apologize for extremist Islamic ideology and the terror it can express. You are the worst example of what you accuse others of.

 

 

Edited January 10, 2019 by Rue

[Rue]

On 1/4/2019 at 8:19 PM, montgomery said:

 

 

And you still haven't learned how to avoid the personal attacks against other members!  I hope this reminder helps.

He dishes out what is directed. Personal attacks are when some of us or all of us or any of us are accused of being anti Muslim because we call this individual out as a terrorist and challenge the attempts to hide behind mental illness or the Muslim card to suggest any criticism of this individual is unfair.

Let me spell it out to you, there are millions of people with  mental illness who do not commit terrorist acts. There are millions of Muslims who do not commit terrorist acts. The fact that you,  Eye, Marcus, want to defend this individual under the guise he's a victim because he is a Muslim and/or mentally ill is a bigoted crock of crap that smeers all mentally ill people and Muslims in the same category as terrorists.

Clear?

How can I be even clearer, this individual is a coward terrorist who deserves to be hung by his testacles and left to rot. Clear as can be? You take a staple gun to do that. Clear? Oh hell let's not couch our words ok? Couching and posing as righteous liberal tolerant Saints preaching on behalf of victims for this coward is a friggin joke. He is no martyr. He is no misunderstood saviour being hammered to a cross. Clear? I said use a staple gun and staple his testacles upside down and him on a Maple Leaf tree and leave him to rot. Oooh how inappropriate; Gee wiz.

In Canada however do not worry. As long as Justin is Prime Minister this individual will be paid $10 million and sent to a Trudeau camp for rehabilitation,you know the ones he will set up with money he does not have for war veterans. Oh no wait, Justin champion of aboriginal peoples, will send this scum to a healing lodge. Why not. Sending child killers to healing lodges is the Trudeau approach to such things other than millions in pay outs.

Clear enough?

Edited January 10, 2019 by Rue

[Goddess]

11 hours ago, marcus said:

 

Maybe you're changing your approach? It's okay to change your mind.

Yes, I will change my mind when you and the others who insist there is a report from a psychologist stating he is psychotic, show me the report.

I've repeatedly asked for you guys to produce it and none of you have - you just keep insisting it's there.

Let me know when you find it.  I'll help you:

HINT:  Political activists are not psychologists.

[eyeball]

23 hours ago, Goddess said:

Eyeball stated that it is a "FACT" that he is just a run-of-the-mill psycho with no ties to Islamic extremism. 

That's not what I said at all.

As an aside...this is what I think moderators should be banning people for doing around here.  This sort of unmitigated ignorant lying is as contemptuous as telling people to fuck-off.  I think it's clear this sort of degeneracy has also infected political discourse in the real world and its making the world an increasingly dangerous place - where the capacity to understand each other is replaced by outright unwillingness.  It's like an even darker version of the story about the Tower of Babel. At least the people of Babel tried to work with one another.

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Yes, I will change my mind when you and the others who insist there is a report from a psychologist stating he is psychotic

Where was that insisted exactly?

Show us exactly where you saw it.

[marcus]

8 hours ago, Goddess said:

Yes, I will change my mind when

You have already changed your mind.

You called him a Muslim Terrorist at the beginning of your participation in this thread. (See quote). However, now you're saying, sort of, that we need to wait for all the facts because you don't believe the family, the so-called therapist (activist?) and the police report, that his actions were due to mental illness.

What's your position anyway? Your response is inconsistent with what I have seen. Do you think he is a "Muslim Terrorist" or have you changed your mind and are waiting for all of the facts to come out?

 

[scribblet]

So...  Sif he was sending thousands of dollars for membership in a Pakistani mosque, do we still get to call him a "lone wolf"   The media has gone out of their way to keep this quiet and not blame terrorism, but now it seems it may have been so.  I guess mental illness is now going to be a euphemism for terrorist  attack from now on .

https://globalnews.ca/news/4849745/weapons-ak-47-magazines-home-danforth-shooter-police-docs/

The unsealed portions of the information to obtain orders (ITO) for Hussain’s home reveal that police found two fully loaded AK-47 magazines, two loaded 9 mm magazines, two loaded drum magazines, three fully loaded extended magazines, and additional types of shotgun ammunition.

Police believed the discovery of the ammunition indicated the presence of other types of firearms. To date, investigators have only said that a handgun was found at the scene.

An empty gun box was also found in the bedroom, along with a long gun case, a number of cellphones and white powder that police suspected was cocaine.

and

The search turned up two receipts for $9,300 for cash payments to the Abad Co-operative Housing Society in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. The receipts were labelled “mosque fund, membership fee, transfer, pillars and forms fees.”

[Centerpiece]

1 hour ago, scribblet said:

So...  Sif he was sending thousands of dollars for membership in a Pakistani mosque, do we still get to call him a "lone wolf"   The media has gone out of their way to keep this quiet and not blame terrorism, but now it seems it may have been so.  I guess mental illness is now going to be a euphemism for terrorist  attack from now on .

https://globalnews.ca/news/4849745/weapons-ak-47-magazines-home-danforth-shooter-police-docs/

 

Same story - a bit more information.....

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/loaded-magazines-ammunition-found-in-danforth-shooter-s-room-newly-unsealed-documents-1.4254910

[turningrite]

3 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

Same story - a bit more information.....

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/loaded-magazines-ammunition-found-in-danforth-shooter-s-room-newly-unsealed-documents-1.4254910

There's a good column by Michele Mandel on the Toronto Sun site about today's revelations, which notes among other things that it's clear the police were (are?) aware of the possibility that a terrorist motive might apply. She points out that commentators who've raised the possibility of a terrorist motive have been demonized for so doing but concludes her piece by asking "isn’t there enough [evidence] here to also wonder whether there was more than mental illness at play on July 22?"

Given emerging evidence, you've got to wonder why some apparently still don't want answers about the possible role of a terrorist motive. Rational, objective and inquiring minds would surely want to know, right?

 

Edited January 16, 2019 by turningrite

[eyeball]

54 minutes ago, turningrite said:

Given emerging evidence, you've got to wonder why some apparently still don't want answers about the possible role of a terrorist motive. Rational, objective and inquiring minds would surely want to know, right?

The only people who don't want answers are in your fervid imagination.  How about an inquiry into suggestions of a politically motivated conspiracy between police and media in this case that has been used to influence public opinion towards Islam?  If I actually fell for something like this I'd like to know.  Fool me once shame on them but fool me twice?  I have good reason to want to get to the bottom of this alleged conspiracy too.

In the meantime, there is still nothing to suggest the role of mental illness should be completely ruled out, unless of course the inquiry into the police/media conspiracy reveal that the story of Faisal Hussein's investigation under the Mental Health Act was deliberately fabricated.  

Less importantly is the outstanding insistence by some of the more fervid members around here that citing this story is the same as claiming there was an actual diagnosis that ruled out terrorism.  Why would they do that anyway, to influence public opinion perhaps?

[marcus]

8 hours ago, scribblet said:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4849745/weapons-ak-47-magazines-home-danforth-shooter-police-docs/

Wait. Is he a right wing terrorist or a muslim terrorist?

In the same article you posted:
 

As police continued to search for a motive, the newly released details of the investigation show that police seized videos about Iraq and 9/11 conspiracy theories in Hussain’s bedroom.

The DVDs included films by American conspiracy theorist Alex Jones such as The Road to Tyranny, which promotes the claim of government involvement in Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. A popular right-wing conspiracist, Jones and his Infowars show were banned from Apple, Facebook and YouTube last year.

Other DVDs found in the apartment were titled Loose Change and 9/11 in Plain Site. Both also offer up discredited conspiracies about al-Qaida’s attacks on the United States.

[turningrite]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

The only people who don't want answers are in your fervid imagination.  How about an inquiry into suggestions of a politically motivated conspiracy between police and media in this case that has been used to influence public opinion towards Islam?  If I actually fell for something like this I'd like to know.  Fool me once shame on them but fool me twice?  I have good reason to want to get to the bottom of this alleged conspiracy too.

In the meantime, there is still nothing to suggest the role of mental illness should be completely ruled out, unless of course the inquiry into the police/media conspiracy reveal that the story of Faisal Hussein's investigation under the Mental Health Act was deliberately fabricated.  

Less importantly is the outstanding insistence by some of the more fervid members around here that citing this story is the same as claiming there was an actual diagnosis that ruled out terrorism.  Why would they do that anyway, to influence public opinion perhaps?

Obviously, you don't have an inquiring mind as you attack those who want to get real answers about the situation as having a "fervid imagination." Your putdown actually demonstrates your own bias. Is it the best you can do? The author I quote simply says that emerging information or evidence suggests that mental illness wasn't (isn't?) the only line of inquiry being pursued by the police in their quest to determine the shooter's motivation. Now that the SIU has issued its rather limited report, which clears the police in the shooter's death, maybe we can get to the bottom of this.

[turningrite]

Now that Ontario's SIU has cleared the police of any wrongdoing in the shooter's death, will we be enlightened by authorities as to full extent of the investigation into and evidence available relating to the shooter's motivation(s)? It's an entirely fair question.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-ontario-siu-clears-police-in-toronto-danforth-mass-shooting-confirm/

Edited January 16, 2019 by turningrite

[Goddess]

6 minutes ago, turningrite said:

Now that Ontario's SIU has cleared the police of any wrongdoing in the shooter's death, will we be enlightened by authorities as to full extent of the investigation into and evidence available relating to the shooter's motivation(s)? It's an entirely fair question.

It's a fair question everywhere else.  Here, it's a "racist" question.

[DogOnPorch]

29 minutes ago, Goddess said:

It's a fair question everywhere else.  Here, it's a "racist" question.

 

Does Islam need to get violent to prove it's peaceful, woman? (smack) Well...does it??

[Centerpiece]

Withholding the facts has done more harm that providing reasonable updates as they unfold. It has allowed pro and con positions to become entrenched and conspiracy theories to flourish. The "cover-up" becomes the story - even if there is none.

[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, Centerpiece said:

Withholding the facts has done more harm that providing reasonable updates as they unfold. It has allowed pro and con positions to become entrenched and conspiracy theories to flourish. The "cover-up" becomes the story - even if there is none.

 

The 'powers' have yet to explain how two mosque shooters yelling Allahu Akbar became a lone Trump supporter. Why would they explain this to the public?

All you need to know is that Islam = Peace & Love and if you think otherwise you're a 'racist' and a 'bigot'.

[turningrite]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Here, it's a "racist" question.

Only to some. As I previously asked, what purpose does it serve to not want to know the truth? Let's see how long it takes before authorities disclose the results of the police investigation into the shooter now that the SIU's limited role, which had effectively smothered public access to information for so long, has been removed from the equation. It will reveal the extent to which our authorities are willing to be transparent about such issues.

[marcus]

3 hours ago, turningrite said:

Only to some. As I previously asked, what purpose does it serve to not want to know the truth? Let's see how long it takes before authorities disclose the results of the police investigation into the shooter now that the SIU's limited role, which had effectively smothered public access to information for so long, has been removed from the equation. It will reveal the extent to which our authorities are willing to be transparent about such issues.

To me, it sounds like the police were trying to cover up for the fact that Faisal Hussain is a right wing white terrorist. Just look at the evidence we are FINALLY able to see.

[DogOnPorch]

Islam is a political system and rumored religion. Not a race or skin colour.

[turningrite]

On 1/16/2019 at 5:44 PM, marcus said:

To me, it sounds like the police were trying to cover up for the fact that Faisal Hussain is a right wing white terrorist. Just look at the evidence we are FINALLY able to see.

Huh?

[WestCanMan]

Seems like there's some info possibly linking Faisal Hussein to terrorism that we weren't intended to know about.

No need for me to just regurgitate info from this article when you can check it out yourself: https://thenationaltelegraph.com/opinion/dsq20a95lwb3ecdf5jhu71xc2ej575?fbclid=IwAR0afQn_RlTc35b53sQEKnE3H7hZG5p-pWbw6s_B_gl_E57c-9xVCyuQIbE

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Hussain’s possible link to a chemical weapons cache went entirely unaddressed. All that is known so far is that his older brother, Fahad, was charged with trafficking crack cocaine in Saskatoon in 2015. He was returned to Toronto to await trail and shared a room with Faisal, but in early 2017 Fahad moved to a Pickering house owned by their childhood friend, Maisum Ansari.

At the Pickering apartment Fahad overdosed. He became a vegetable. A short time later, in September 2017, firefighters responding to a carbon-monoxide alarm at the apartment discovered 33 illegal guns and a massive quantity of carfentanil, cousin to the killer opioid fentanyl and far more toxic.

.....

In Pickering, police seized 42 kilograms of the drug, the biggest ever such bust in North America.

Just to be crystal clear, Fahad wasn't at the apartment when the CarFentanyl and the guns were found, he was already in a vegetative state for 3 months at that point. I guess that's what you get when you live with a CarFentanyl dealer. 

Gotta wonder why someone had enough of that drug to launch a massive terrorist attack though. 

Here's another article: https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/danforth-killers-brother-court-ordered-to-live-at-home-where-carfentanil-later-discovered