White Pride

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, Rue said:

1. Yes.  I am not proud of being a Jew. The Talmud and Torah warned that pride is a moral weakness just like the New Testament does anecdotes many other philosophies and other religions do. The belief Jews have the right to sufferage or statehood is not based on pride but survival. Zionism is not about pride or feeling superior to others. I agree with religions and philosophies that warn pride is a weakness .

2. White pride is usually used as a justification to hate, resent non whites and justify it. Show me a white person using it to address hatred against whites in a healthy way and not as a platform to hate others I probably would see it as a healthy response to hatred.

3. Have someone show me someone with white pride who is not a neo nazi.

4. James Brown's pride really meant self respect. He did not preach false pride. His version of pride was self-respect but no false inflated ego.

 

 

1. Agreed.

2. This has been hard to imagine in the past but maybe less so.

3. And the same person, criticizing "Zionism" but claiming to not be anti-Semitic.  It's a tough row to hoe.  I have never been convinced by one of these.

4. This is great: pride as "self-respect" rather than as one of the 7 deadly sins.  There is no point in feeling superior, it erases the purpose of preaching "pride".  Thank you.

 

[GostHacked]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Agreed.

2. This has been hard to imagine in the past but maybe less so.

3. And the same person, criticizing "Zionism" but claiming to not be anti-Semitic.  It's a tough row to hoe.  I have never been convinced by one of these.

4. This is great: pride as "self-respect" rather than as one of the 7 deadly sins.  There is no point in feeling superior, it erases the purpose of preaching "pride".  Thank you.

 

One can be against Zionism while not being anti-semetic.  Zionism is a political movement.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

One can be against Zionism while not being anti-semetic.  Zionism is a political movement.

You missed the point.  Please read both posts again.

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

You missed the point.  Please read both posts again.

You indicated that you do not believe anyone who criticizes Zionism is not an anti-semite. Is that correct?

[Michael Hardner]

49 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

You indicated that you do not believe anyone who criticizes Zionism is not an anti-semite. Is that correct?

No

[Argus]

2 hours ago, GostHacked said:

One can be against Zionism while not being anti-semetic.  Zionism is a political movement.

Until 1948, the primary goals of Zionism were the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, ingathering of the exiles, and liberation of Jews from the antisemitic discrimination and persecution that they experienced during their diaspora. Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism continues primarily to advocate on behalf of Israel and to address threats to its continued existence and security. - Wiki

Please tell me what about the above you would be against at this point in time without being an anti-Semite?

[GostHacked]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 

3. And the same person, criticizing "Zionism" but claiming to not be anti-Semitic.  It's a tough row to hoe.  I have never been convinced by one of these.

Rue's Q (or notion) was that someone cannot be white pride without being a Neo-Nazi.  Similar to how some think that Zionism cannot be separate from anti-semitism. I believe both can be separate, but generally it's treated as the same from opposition.

Am I reading this right?

[GostHacked]

4 minutes ago, Argus said:

Until 1948, the primary goals of Zionism were the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, ingathering of the exiles, and liberation of Jews from the antisemitic discrimination and persecution that they experienced during their diaspora. Since the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Zionism continues primarily to advocate on behalf of Israel and to address threats to its continued existence and security. - Wiki

Please tell me what about the above you would be against at this point in time without being an anti-Semite?

I am wondering how this is applied to Jews who do not support Zionism or the notion of it. Are they called anti-semites as well??

[Argus]

2 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

I am wondering how this is applied to Jews who do not support Zionism or the notion of it. Are they called anti-semites as well??

You didn't answer the question.

I don't know about Jews who 'don't support Zionism'. I assume they're crazy, either due to religious reasons or because of ideological zealotry. 
I wonder how many of those 'anti-Zionist' Jews would flee to Israel if anti-antisemitism became unbearable in their existing country, and be grateful they had somewhere to go.

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

 I believe both can be separate, but generally it's treated as the same from opposition.

Given that Jews criticize Israel, I think you have the answer.

[Argus]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Given that Jews criticize Israel, I think you have the answer.

Not everyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-Semite, but all anti-Semites criticize Israel - relentlessly.

[GostHacked]

On 4/1/2019 at 1:26 PM, Argus said:

Not everyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-Semite, but all anti-Semites criticize Israel - relentlessly.

While that is true of the first part, staunch supporters of Israel never see it that way.

[Argus]

15 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

While that is true of the first part, staunch supporters of Israel never see it that way.

I'm gonna assume most of those Jews also criticize a lot of other countries - something anti-Semites rarely find much interest in doing.

Edited April 2, 2019 by Argus

[GostHacked]

15 hours ago, Argus said:

I'm gonna assume most of those Jews also criticize a lot of other countries - something anti-Semites rarely find much interest in doing.

Which is correct, but the way I see it, only staunch supporters of Israel see it that way.

[taxme]

On 12/15/2018 at 3:20 PM, Truth Detector said:

This example is a good illustration of the topic you started.  It’s things like these that pull people towards alt-right resources and feelings.  Apparently this is what equality looks like now.

Anti-white racism at alive and well and it is happening in a white country. Go figure. Whites discriminating against white people. Talk about who needs enemies? The Richmond, BC.city council several years ago came up with a policy of wanting to hire non-whites only on to the Richmond Fire Department. It backfired. The fireman's union fought against that bull chit and they won. A condo council in Richmond, BC also tried to eliminate English at the AGM meeting and do it all in Chinese only. That backfired also. If anyone still wants to deny that there is anti-white racism going on in not only the UK but Canada there are two prime examples. There are probably many more incidents like this happening in Canada every day or close to it.  

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, taxme said:

Anti-white racism at alive and well and it is happening in a white country. Go figure. Whites discriminating against white people.

Probably left-wing whites against whites to boot.

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Talk about who needs enemies?

A point I've pointed out before - without action what's the point of talking? You know affirmative action is just a symptom of something more insidious but...so what?

[taxme]

53 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Probably left-wing whites against whites to boot.

A point I've pointed out before - without action what's the point of talking? You know affirmative action is just a symptom of something more insidious but...so what?

It is the alt-left liberal white idiots that appear to really hate their own white skin color. As far as I am concerned, it is my opinion that affirmative action and multiculturalism are all just anti-white communist white racial genocide programs and agendas that have caused and are causing more racial problems and division especially towards white people. White people are being attacked every day for their color of skin on those leftist liberal TV stations. They like to always bring up white privilege and that we are all just a bunch of white racists. It's enough to want to say, okay, if you want to keep calling me a white racist well maybe then I should become one and get it over with and give them all something to really talk about. Just saying. 

[John Otis]

According to colored people, it is not okay for white people to be prideful because of the bad things that whites did and continue to do.

[Michael Hardner]

You can respect yourself but pride in something you were born with is vanity.

 

Let alone that White Pride is synonymous with racist hate mongering.

[Owly]

17 hours ago, taxme said:

It is the alt-left liberal white idiots that appear to really hate their own white skin color. As far as I am concerned, it is my opinion that affirmative action and multiculturalism are all just anti-white communist white racial genocide programs and agendas that have caused and are causing more racial problems and division especially towards white people. White people are being attacked every day for their color of skin on those leftist liberal TV stations. They like to always bring up white privilege and that we are all just a bunch of white racists. It's enough to want to say, okay, if you want to keep calling me a white racist well maybe then I should become one and get it over with and give them all something to really talk about. Just saying. 

Looks like you fell into it.

[taxme]

4 hours ago, Owly said:

Looks like you fell into it.

If some non white groups say that they are proud of their race like indians and blacks have done well then it should be alright for white people to do the same. I do not understand why people like yourself appear to have a problem with that? Care to comment on what I said or are you just going to call me a white racist? I do not doubt it will be the latter from you. 

[Owly]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

If some non white groups say that they are proud of their race like indians and blacks have done well then it should be alright for white people to do the same. I do not understand why people like yourself appear to have a problem with that? Care to comment on what I said or are you just going to call me a white racist? I do not doubt it will be the latter from you. 

That has to be one of the dumbest, most misguided statement I've heard in awhile. Are you completely ignorant as to how we White people have crushed the rights of people of other skin colors over history? I suggest you stay in your little group.

[taxme]

16 hours ago, John Otis said:

According to colored people, it is not okay for white people to be prideful because of the bad things that whites did and continue to do.

As if white people are all bad because of what some white people have done in the past. As if all other races are all just a bunch of angels and have never ever come close to being worse than white people in doing bad things. With the alt-left liberal fake news media only white people are racists. The media likes to point this out anytime they can get an opportunity to do so.

The black reporters and journalists of the alt-left fake news media will use the word white racists or white privilege willy-nilly and be allowed to get away with it and those blacks saying that are being racist in itself. But the white reporters and journalists will just sit there like good little sucky white boys and girls and not respond. They just take the insult with glee. It's no wonder that white people keep getting called white racists/white privileged because no white person in the MSM will challenge those non white accusations. Non whites commit just as many crimes as white people. But with the MSM alt-left liberal fake news one would never get that impression. Just my opinion, of course. 

[taxme]

12 minutes ago, Owly said:

That has to be one of the dumbest, most misguided statement I've heard in awhile. Are you completely ignorant as to how we White people have crushed the rights of people of other skin colors over history? I suggest you stay in your little group.

I told you it would be the latter. I win!! It's dumb and misguided to you because a white guy said it. Are you completely ignorant and unaware of the facts of how some non white race of people have done in the past and what they have done to crush the rights of other colored people who they conquered in the past? Obviously you are not well read up on that and you just choose to be that way. Learn your history for a change.

Other races have done just as many bad things in the past or some have even committed worse atrocities than white people in the past. But people like you will never admit to that, now would you? It is you that needs to stay in your own little no nothing about history group corner. People would never learn anything about history if they listened to what you have to say. They would just end up as ignorant as the rest of the alt-left liberal politically correct fools out there. Try looking up what Genghis Khan did to other races of people who would not surrender to his authority. 

[Owly]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

I told you it would be the latter. I win!! It's dumb and misguided to you because a white guy said it. Are you completely ignorant and unaware of the facts of how some non white race of people have done in the past and what they have done to crush the rights of other colored people who they conquered in the past? Obviously you are not well read up on that and you just choose to be that way. Learn your history for a change.

Other races have done just as many bad things in the past or some have even committed worse atrocities than white people in the past. But people like you will never admit to that, now would you? It is you that needs to stay in your own little no nothing about history group corner. People would never learn anything about history if they listened to what you have to say. They would just end up as ignorant as the rest of the alt-left liberal politically correct fools out there. Try looking up what Genghis Khan did to other races of people who would not surrender to his authority. 

I think Hitler was White wasn't he?