Argus Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 I'm waiting for the offer of a free car for everyone in the province. She's already announced billions for new hospitals and other projects. And today offered billions more for universal daycare between 2 and school age. Deficit? Phhht! What deficit! It's not like Ontario can't afford it! Hey, we'll just raise taxes again! http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/reevely-2-2b-daycare-announcement-is-kathleen-wynne-at-her-wynnest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted March 27, 2018 Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 The scary part is that.....she could still win. Imagine how many votes she'd be buying with the free daycare! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, betsy said: The scary part is that.....she could still win. Imagine how many votes she'd be buying with the free daycare! Given half the population pays little or no income tax it would be an attractive proposition to them. What do they care how high debt and taxes go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Argus said: Given half the population pays little or no income tax it would be an attractive proposition to them. What do they care how high debt and taxes go? I have been pondering this. It doesn't make sense. I am looking at tables that say the median income in canada was about $40K in 2011, which would still pay 15% income tax. What say you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 I hope people really don't buy this Daycare ploy. It's not like someone who's pregnant now will get relief anytime soon. This is for 2020! And we know this government's history of claiming failed pledges were just "stretch goals". They really are desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Actually 2 year olds do attend daycare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I have been pondering this. It doesn't make sense. I am looking at tables that say the median income in canada was about $40K in 2011, which would still pay 15% income tax. What say you ? I say median means half of the people earn less than that. Also, once you merely put in place the federal and provincial personal amounts that income of $40k drops instantly to closer to $18k of taxable income (or if you earn $30k it drops to $8k etc). Then you have other deductions available, depending on your income, such as for housing, education and transportation. It's likely you'll wind up paying not much over $2000, assuming you have no kids or a spouse who doesn't earn much. Meanwhile someone earning more might be paying $100,000 in income tax. Note that they won't be making 50 times more, just paying 50 times more. If you make, say $300k, which is 7.5 times more, you pay 50 times more income tax. Edited March 28, 2018 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Boges said: I hope people really don't buy this Daycare ploy. It's not like someone who's pregnant now will get relief anytime soon. This is for 2020! And we know this government's history of claiming failed pledges were just "stretch goals". They really are desperate. Free tuition, free pharmacare, free daycare, billions for new hospitals.... Hey it's only money. And someone else's money at that! Vote Liberal and we'll buy you a new car! Edited March 28, 2018 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 20 hours ago, betsy said: The scary part is that.....she could still win. Imagine how many votes she'd be buying with the free daycare! The daycare people, the hospital crowd, the welfare recipients, the unions, the gay people and so many others will have her back. Indeed, she could get back in. Goodbye conservative Ontario. Ontario was once a great WASP province that worked well. Now it has become nothing more than a socialist workers paradise where common sense and logic has been removed from the books in Ontario. Now emotionalism, foolish talk, and gender ideology is the rule of the day, and has been allowed to be destroy and allowed to proceed on to try and destroy a once great province. It is no wonder many people out West want to get out of this Stalinist country. These liberal/Marxist federal and provincial dear leaders of ours, and with the help of the voting brainwashed lemmings out there have put these fools in power and have been allowed to run and ruin this country should be ashamed of themselves. Liberalism, socialism and communism are never good for we the people. it is only good for the elite who make lots of money and gain power from trying to convince people that government knows best. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/27/2018 at 7:44 PM, betsy said: The scary part is that.....she could still win. Imagine how many votes she'd be buying with the free daycare! Well if you go the other option of Doug Ford.... I really don't know who is leading the other parties. But that's just another choice between a douche and a turd sandwich. The douche is getting stale and does not seem to hold any water anymore, maybe we should go with the turd sandwich. It stinks, but people are still going to eat it with those kind of grins on their face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phred Dobbs Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Any ordinary Cdn who actually thinks they are going to benefit from this latest Liberal budget is dreaming in technicolour and should immediately head out and seek to take advantage of that couple of billion dollars being offered up in new mental health funding! Consider this comparison: Oh poor Liberals- they are scurrying about like cockroaches that have suddenly found themselves in the bright light of day. Fed up Cdn voters have examined Liberal policy and declared all of it to be utter failure! Even worse- Liberals have run out of cash to offer up to persuade some of us to look the other way- as Liberals work hard to make Canada better- FOR THEM! Here is a post illustrating how empty Liberal values are. With some comments of my own in brackets): Doug Ford's tax break won't cut it for poor, Liberals claim We are indebted to Toronto Sun writers for much of the fact in this post. Related News BATTLEGROUND: Clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson calls Wynne 'most dangerous woman in Canada' Liberals tell us that it is going to cost poor people $1,465 dollars to vote for Doug Ford. Senior economist Sheila Block - last in the headlines for telling us that the Liberal debt IS manageable just so long as interest rates stay low and there are no other economic shocks thrown at us- and who got blind sided as interest rates crept up, personal household debt soared, the Cdn economy is being threatened by the death of NAFTA if our utterly muddled PM Justin does not start focussing more on national security issues and Muslim terror and whining less about open borders and women`s issues while importing a swarm of Muslim misogynists over the protests of many Cdns- is now getting worried that her new premier may be Doug Ford! So Block looked at Fords plan to freeze the minimum wage at $14 an hour and eliminate income tax for those earning $30,000 a year or less- which we are told gives a net savings for poor people of only $485 dollars! And like all Liberal friendly economists, Block ignores various little details such as our muddled Pm Justin being elected on a promise to run small $10 billion dollar deficits for a couple of years till Cdn economy recovered- and it has NOT recovered- it has gotten WORSE- and those “small deficits have ballooned into vast flows of red ink that are at least double what he promised with no sign he has any clue how to keep us from drowning in that red ink! LIE-beral friendly economists cannot predict with accuracy what may happen in bond markets as Cdn debt grows, and cannot predict how much prices will rise as a result of LIE-beral mandated wage increases nor can they predict how many people may be laid off as a result of customers shunning biz with higher prices! In short- our economist are guessing- based on their political biases and personal preferences! Liberals tell us the Ford plan means less money for poor people? Really? Economist Block appears to have made predictions based on ideology and very short sighted thinking- a Liberal hallmark! What we CAN be certain of- because Liberals have told us- is that there WILL be ongoing price increases for many things -if Liberals win another Ontari-owe election! We are in an election year so there will be no TTC fare hike- this year- for political reasons! But look out next year! We have been told that Liberals intend to put up the price of electricity steadily for some years to come- with the actual rate of increase to be determined IF they win the election or otherwise! The property tax hike for this years is 2.9 percent while Liberals claimed to be aiming at “inflation rate” of 2 percent- while ordinary people make due with raises of about 0.5 percent- with thousands of jobs lost in the 2 months after the minimum wage increase- a wage increase is ZERO for the unemployed! And the wage incresse is also ZERO for the kids stuck in those stupid unpaid internships that are tantamount to indentured servitude! Liberal math does NOT add up! If Liberals win the 2018 election then we can be assured they will LOOT AND PILLAGE in 2019 to pay for all those civil service union Hog votes that put them back in power! IN addition Ontari-owe is “partnered with California on the carbon crap and trade tax scam and California has put up its carbon tax from $10.00 to $18.00 starting in 2018 and shall we ask if Liberals are simply waiting till after the June election they are vainly hoping to win- to follow partner California in jacking up that carbon tax- which will put food prices- anbd a whole lot of other stuff up another 10-20 percent! One reason for Liberals to be breaking their promise on giving us a balanced budget in 2018 is because they have offered their Hog allies a 2 percent raise for this year- with no new taxes to pay for it- its an election year and new taxes are bad for Liberal public image- but how bad is it to be seen borrowing money to give to greedy Hogs How much of that minimum wage increase will Liberals let us keep if they are re-elected? Your honest answer should be NONE! And Conservatives tend to freeze and ignore minimum wages? How awful- compared to the tens of thousands of jobs LOST in just the first month after the Liberal mandated wage increase! A better wage does not help those who got laid off and it certainly will not help those who will not be hired in future because Liberal taxes are a job killer- and a govt mandated wage hike is equal to a new tax on biz- and therefore a job killer!) Ford has recently noted that Ontario had the lowest increase in median household income in the country between 2005-15. Yes- Liberals are working hard to make Ontari-owe BETTER FOR THEM! Many Cdns- including Ford have been critical of how the Liberals introduced their minimum wage increase. The general judgement being that it was too much and too fast- especially when the carbon crap and trade scam is added to business costs and we all know how painful that series of hydro rte increases were- and small biz generally DID NOT GET THE RATE REDUCTION! Then add in small biz disappointment over federal Liberals breaking their election promise to give small biz a tax break! It has all been to much, to often and to deep a series fo cash grabs! But then Liberals are desperate! They are even in deep trouble in Toronto and Hogtown gets TEN TIMES MORE in provincial transfer funding per citizen than any other municipality! Over the years- Liberals have offered up a series of HUGE pension IOU`s to civil service union Hogs- promises so huge that we just do not have the money for Liberals to honour those insane vote buying sprees! Not without breaking our economy anyway! So Hogs are angry at this loss of promised gravy- hence their attacks on Ford with their NotDoug.ca and anybodybutdoug.com web sites! Its just the same old group of Hogs who were behind Working Family Coalition and fairnesscounts.ca and Wow/working Ontari-owe women! The ugly truth that Liberals are hoping we will not see is that bait and switch is a beloved Liberal policy! They offer up that dandy wage increase and then start doing the “take aways”! A higher wage means more income tax collected by Liberals. It means more cash collected in Unemployment Insurance deductions. Means a higher contribution to Canada Pension Plan. And best of all- for Liberals- it fuels inflation as biz passes on the new wage costs to customers as higher prices- which gives Liberals what THEY WANT- a better excuse to PAY MORE GRAVY TO CIVIL SERVICE UNION HOGS! As we know- all Hogs are entitled to regular raises “at the rate of inflation”- that LIBERALS are manipulating! (Yes- Liberals keep telling us they only pay out money according to the “inflation rate” and with our economy drowning in red ink and no inflation visible in the private sector- Liberals have chosen to CREATE inflation as an excuse and to confuse voters! We have seen a series of HUGE price increases for electricity- as Liberals turn our electrical system into a giant slush fund for their Hog allies. Even worse- Liberals have slammed shut the books so we cannot see what manner of dirt is hidden in their Hydro files- its OUR MONEY but its NOT our business to know what Liberals do with it! We have endured a series of NINE PERCENT water rate increases- 9 percent in each of 5 years and then a series of FOUR PERCENT increases after that as Liberals registered on our growing rage! And we should not ask what happened to the Liberal inflation target of TWO PERCENT? Liberals tell us the water rate increases are needed to pay for repairs and upgrades to the neglected system- but they do NOT want to admit that the system is neglected because ALL the money we paid for decades was spent on Hog gravy and NONE was spent on maintenance! So now we endure both emergency repairs and major floods plus MORE Hog wage greed!) And Liberals have “helped” us with auto insurance rates as well -so they say! I ask: did YOU get your 15 percent auto rate reduction? Liberals CLAIM you did- in the form of reduced increases for insurance! But Liberals do NOT mention the FIFTY PERCENT REDUCTION in benefits for accident victims that came with your mythical 15 percent reduction in auto rates! Liberals do not want to admit that Ontari-owe drivers have lower accident rates than other Cdns yet pay THE HIGHEST RATES! Nor do they want to discuss how many Sunshine List pals own stocks in insurance companies- and Lord knows- Hogs NEED more gravy- hence the Liberal mandated insurance rates! LIE-berals- who do NOT like to be contradicted- tell us our rates are high because of FRAUD! But fraud is a crime and Liberals are IGNORING IT! Why not launch a blitz on the organized crime gangs that are behind the staged accidents and against the doctors aiding the fraudsters collecting benefits for alleged whiplash and other easily faked soft tissue injuries? Are Liberals worried that they will find many of the fraud artists to be immigrants let into Canada by shameless Liberals BUYING votes at any price? Liberals always tell us we are systemic racists if we complain about immigrant crime rates. But Liberals do not want to talk about the Russian arrested at his magnificent King City mansion for the second time because all his wonderful luxuries are paid for with FORGED credit cards! Liberals do not wish to discuss the biggest ATM bank machine fraud in Cdn history- pulled off with the technical aid of gangs based in Russia! Liberals do not wish to discuss the 4 Afghan brothers arrested on car theft charges- over 1500 charges- with convictions on ALL! Do not want to discuss the Sikhs arrested for bribing and bullying gas station attendants into letting them set up credit card readers in stores to gather information to aid forgers in making more fake cards! Do not want to discuss the Sikhs who set up fake unemployment insurance accounts through their house renovation biz and claimed benefits based on LIES! Crime is an equal opportunity employer and there is NO need to single out any race- but Liberals long ago figured out their snake oil political sales policies go better with poor people- especially immigrants and so Liberals seek to distract us with this systemic racist crap! There are other matters of concern related to auto insurance rates and mythical Liberal benefits. Such as snow plow contracts for clearing our roads- with Liberal penny pinching putting drivers in danger. Liberals have “relaxed” snow clearing times-meaning our roads are plowed less frequently as Liberals wrestled with companies that offered to do the job cheap- but lacked suitable equipment to perform even at the “relaxed” Liberal standard! There are also concerns over road paving contracts with inferior paving material used as a cost saving measure- but hey- its good for Liberals as the nice fresh paving will last at least till after the next election- and that is good enough for Liberals! Too bad about the damage to our cars steering and suspension as we jolt and rattle over those potholes though- its just another hidden cost Liberals do not want to discuss! Liberals rob Peter to pay Paul- and Peter is private sector and Paul is a public sector union Hog! That “wonderful” Liberal wage increase VANISHES once you get the rest of the policy installed- increased govt costs for EVERYTHING! And worst of all- Liberals keep talking about fairness and the need for new revenue tools but if fairness were really their concern then why would they not immediately impose the health levy on civil service union Hogs in Ontari-owe? As it stands now- no Hog pays that health levy- and one employed Cdn in three works for govt! No wonder there is a hole in the health care books! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 12:51 PM, Argus said: Free tuition, free pharmacare, free daycare, billions for new hospitals.... Hey it's only money. And someone else's money at that! Vote Liberal and we'll buy you a new car! Might as well get my tax money worth, if I am paying 50% welfare taxes then I want everything for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/28/2018 at 4:31 PM, taxme said: The daycare people, the hospital crowd, the welfare recipients, the unions, the gay people and so many others will have her back. Indeed, she could get back in. Goodbye conservative Ontario. Ontario was once a great WASP province that worked well. Now it has become nothing more than a socialist workers paradise where common sense and logic has been removed from the books in Ontario. Now emotionalism, foolish talk, and gender ideology is the rule of the day, and has been allowed to be destroy and allowed to proceed on to try and destroy a once great province. It is no wonder many people out West want to get out of this Stalinist country. These liberal/Marxist federal and provincial dear leaders of ours, and with the help of the voting brainwashed lemmings out there have put these fools in power and have been allowed to run and ruin this country should be ashamed of themselves. Liberalism, socialism and communism are never good for we the people. it is only good for the elite who make lots of money and gain power from trying to convince people that government knows best. Just saying. I blame the southern European immigrants, specifically the Italians and Russians who are extreme socialist and want government to take care of them. Had we taken in more immigrants from countries where government doesn't help people we wouldn't be in in this problem (ie asia and africa) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capricorn Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 26 minutes ago, H10 said: Might as well get my tax money worth, if I am paying 50% welfare taxes then I want everything for free. This is the kind of thinking which may get Wynne re-elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 9 hours ago, H10 said: I blame the southern European immigrants, specifically the Italians and Russians who are extreme socialist and want government to take care of them. Had we taken in more immigrants from countries where government doesn't help people we wouldn't be in in this problem (ie asia and africa) Yup, just like the ones immigrating from the third world today that want to come to Canada to take advantage of our free welfare system, free medicare and free social services. And there are so many of them being allowed into the country legal and illegal these days who are now the ones that are starting to suck all of our services dry. They like our socialist system here in Canada. They have not made Canada any better. They appear to be making things worse. There are just too many of them coming to Canada. A moratorium on immigration is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 9 hours ago, capricorn said: This is the kind of thinking which may get Wynne re-elected. Can liberals think? Just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 10 hours ago, capricorn said: This is the kind of thinking which may get Wynne re-elected. Fine by me. Why should I pay 50% tax to see Doug Ford just give it away to the wealthy and his donors like the Republicans down south and societyget nothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 45 minutes ago, taxme said: Yup, just like the ones immigrating from the third world today that want to come to Canada to take advantage of our free welfare system, free medicare and free social services. And there are so many of them being allowed into the country legal and illegal these days who are now the ones that are starting to suck all of our services dry. They like our socialist system here in Canada. They have not made Canada any better. They appear to be making things worse. There are just too many of them coming to Canada. A moratorium on immigration is needed. Immigrants fuel growth in many industries which are demo-oriented. What you need is to strip access to resources of people who stay outside of the nation for prolonged periods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, H10 said: Immigrants fuel growth in many industries which are demo-oriented. What you need is to strip access to resources of people who stay outside of the nation for prolonged periods. More immigrants only fuel the need for more social services, more infrastructure and will damage the environment even more. What is needed is less immigration, not more. It's funny how environmentalists are very quiet when it comes to immigration seeing that the more people we have in Canada the more damage that will be done to their precious environment. And what about all the animal lovers, the bird lovers, and the fish lovers out there where there is no doubt that their habitats will be destroyed by more immigrants? They stay quiet also. Do you mean that once new immigrants get their Canadian citizenship they should not be allowed to head back to their past country of origin and continue to work there while still being able to have access to and enjoy our social and medical services for free when they require it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 hours ago, H10 said: Why should I pay 50% tax to see Doug Ford just give it away to the wealthy and his donors like the Republicans down south and societyget nothing? How about removing rent control, where the rents in Canada's largest city are already skyrocketing due to loopholes ? We have a "choice" between insane spending and deficit-building and a 53-year-old politician who does not understand how the CBC is funded. Well done, Ontario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: How about removing rent control, where the rents in Canada's largest city are already skyrocketing due to loopholes ? The reason rents are skyrocketing is lack of supply. The reason there is a lack of supply is government. Rent controls are another case of government interfering in the market to create a problem, then interfering again to 'solve' the problem. Except it won't solve it. The supply situation will continue to worsen because no one is going to build rental housing if they can't make a decent profit at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 36 minutes ago, Argus said: 1) The reason rents are skyrocketing is lack of supply. 2) The reason there is a lack of supply is government. 1) That's not clear. There's a lot of speculation going on. I was just shopping around for a new place and there are a lot of places sitting empty. 2) Government is the problem, of course you would say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 9 hours ago, taxme said: More immigrants only fuel the need for more social services, more infrastructure and will damage the environment even more. What is needed is less immigration, not more. It's funny how environmentalists are very quiet when it comes to immigration seeing that the more people we have in Canada the more damage that will be done to their precious environment. And what about all the animal lovers, the bird lovers, and the fish lovers out there where there is no doubt that their habitats will be destroyed by more immigrants? They stay quiet also. Do you mean that once new immigrants get their Canadian citizenship they should not be allowed to head back to their past country of origin and continue to work there while still being able to have access to and enjoy our social and medical services for free when they require it? People who provide social services are Canadians so they make money off of immigrants. People in construction get jobs off of immigrants who require new infrastructure. Environmentalist and builders make money off of immigrants who need more housing. Immigration is a scam but it is the immigrants paying for everything getting fleeced. I lived in Sweden for a few years, and I had to constantly shell out money as an "immigrant", everything from hotels, to finding a room to buying furniture, bedding, etc. I'd wager people in Canada care more about environment than people in China or Arabia who don't even care about people. At least we have the chance to change their view if the immigrant is here. I am saying if a person gets citizenship in Canada, lives abroad for 20 years, they shouldn't just be able to come in and suck up social services here as if they were paying taxes here all along unless they want to start paying a global income tax. If you don't live here, you shouldn't get benefits of living here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H10 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: How about removing rent control, where the rents in Canada's largest city are already skyrocketing due to loopholes ? We have a "choice" between insane spending and deficit-building and a 53-year-old politician who does not understand how the CBC is funded. Well done, Ontario. Every party in Canada runs insane deficits, and the conservatives run the largest deficits ie Harris and Eves. Removing rent controls will sky rocket rents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted March 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: 1) That's not clear. There's a lot of speculation going on. I was just shopping around for a new place and there are a lot of places sitting empty. 2) Government is the problem, of course you would say that. The private sector will always build enough supply to satisfy demand if it's not restricted by government mandate, regulations and laws. If they aren't doing that look do what the various levels of government have done to discourage them from it. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/gta-housing-prices-real-estate-market-supply-1.4055109 Rent control has ALWAYS led to tightening supply in every jurisdiction where it's imposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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