Ex Tory senator calls Scheer a liar

[Argus]

One of the most contemptible aspects of the shallow Mr. Trudeau is his habit of taking action without consulting anyone. It appears Sheer might be subject to the same sense of arrogance, if what Beyak says is anything like reality. Scheer fired her the other day, stating he had asked her to remove a letter from a constituent on her web site which he considered offensive (to natives), and she refused. Today Beyak said that neither she nor anyone from her office had been even been contacted by Scheer or anyone from the party about removing the letter. And that he hadn't even told her she was being removed from the Tory caucus. She only learned of it from the media.

"Contrary to his statement, that he asked me to remove content and I refused, neither I nor my staff ever spoke with Andrew Scheer or anyone from his office, at any time," Ms. Beyak said.

Ms. Beyak said the first she learned of her removal from the Conservative caucus was when the Tory leader released a late-night statement last week.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/beyak-denies-scheer-asked-her-to-remove-letters-from-site/article37524866/

[?Impact]

So in he said / she said, you side with she?

I see you couldn't resist taking a dig at someone entirely removed from the situation, pathetic.

[Argus]

51 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

So in he said / she said, you side with she?

Hers sounds more likely to be true, frankly. First, because she doesn't need to get elected so doesn't need to lie. Second, because it ought to be fairly easy to counter if she's lying. Did someone else contact her office? Name them. Did you contact her in advance before expelling her? There will be phone logs from anywhere on parliament hill and in her office. Lying about it would be pointless for her.

51 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

I see you couldn't resist taking a dig at someone entirely removed from the situation, pathetic.

Why would I not mention Trudeau?  He booted out all the Liberal senators without even informing them of it, much less consulting them, basically for PR purposes. They read about it in a press release, same as her. I would think it would be pathetic to strongly criticize Trudeau for that - as I did at the time - and not criticize Scheer as well.

[AngusThermopyle]

So she's pissed about being booted, and at this time we don't know if she's telling the truth or not, as mentioned it's still he said, she said. What I find notable is that at least Scheer takes action, Trudeau on the other hand absolutely refuses to do the same when his people make far more egregious gaffs. You know, Mourneau, Monseff, Hehr etc. All of them should have been given the boot yet Trudeau refuses to do what he should. That to me shows a contrast between the two men, and it's a contrast that further makes Trudeau look even worse than he already does.

[?Impact]

34 minutes ago, AngusThermopyle said:

Trudeau on the other hand absolutely refuses to do the same when his people make far more egregious gaffs.

Your opinion only. If you think that no benefit from the sale, as recently defined by the ethics commissioner, is more egregious than promoting racism, then you and I disagree.

[eyeball]

On 1/8/2018 at 12:23 PM, Argus said:

One of the most contemptible aspects of the shallow Mr. Trudeau is his habit of taking action without consulting anyone. It appears Sheer might be subject to the same sense of arrogance...

Is this a case of preemptive whataboutism? Why yes that's exactly what it is.

Why can't ideologically driven people criticize people in power without resorting to partisanship in the process?  I think the hardest thing to overcome in the struggle between governed and their governments are the sycophants who happily blast away at people in power while seemingly oblivious to the fact the power is by far the bigger problem.

Edited January 10, 2018 by eyeball

[AngusThermopyle]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

Your opinion only. If you think that no benefit from the sale, as recently defined by the ethics commissioner, is more egregious than promoting racism, then you and I disagree.

Well nice of you to focus on just one single example, but then if that's all you've got then that's all you've got. So let's address that shall we. Yes, I do think using your position and power to benefit is very serious. I'd say it transcends racism as it is colour blind and takes as much advantage of people of colour as it does any one else. It's not just a simple case of racism, it's a case of screw everyone, no matter their colour. 

[Topaz]

Ok, IF Sheer contact her, all he has to do is prove it and that would clear things up. It's seems we have another Harper/Duffy situation.

[OftenWrong]

On 10/01/2018 at 10:50 AM, eyeball said:

I think the hardest thing to overcome in the struggle between governed and their governments are the sycophants who happily blast away at people in power while seemingly oblivious to the fact the power is by far the bigger problem.

Good luck getting rid of it. People often respond to power in a positive way. They need it, like they need leadership. You idealists have got some pretty wacky ideas. Remove power and what would you have us do? Let me guess- live in an Anarco-syndicalist commune.

[PIK]

You have to remember argus, conservatives are held accountable for every wrong word or little slip up, compared to the liberals that gets away with almost everything. And the media has proved it by the way the try and protect trudeau. 

[Rue]

Beyak is  a classic example of why we do not need a Senate.

She wouldn't dare say what she did if she had to be elected.

Scheer does not need to explain himself. Her words speak for themselves. 

 

Edited January 12, 2018 by Rue

[Rue]

13 minutes ago, PIK said:

You have to remember argus, conservatives are held accountable for every wrong word or little slip up, compared to the liberals that gets away with almost everything. And the media has proved it by the way the try and protect trudeau. 

Absolutely which is why she had to go. She is a bloated bovine parasite the last thing the Tories need to distract from his Highness Lord Justin of Trudeau.

[Rue]

On 1/10/2018 at 5:46 PM, Topaz said:

Ok, IF Sheer contact her, all he has to do is prove it and that would clear things up. It's seems we have another Harper/Duffy situation.

No not at all. Duffy lied about where he lived to get around a loop-hole so he could qualify as a Senator for PEI. He also engaged in behaviour about spending taxpayer's money on himself. Beyak on the other hand is not under scrutiny for spending habits or lying where she lives but as to what she has said-specifically words she knows single out and assign a negative spin on ALL aboriginal peoples-words she would never say as an elected official-words she knew would cause hurt-words that escalated what she said and was already told to avoid by the Tory party-she deliberately escalated her language and references about ALL aboriginals in a sign of deliberate contempt and challenge to being told by the Tory caucus to cool it. She doesn't give a damn about anything but her own ego and opinions. She wasn't placed in Senate to voice her own personal opinions and this is precisely why the Senate should be abolished. We have these bloated bovine full of themselves and imagining they have importance and they have a platform to say whatever they want-it is precisely because they are not elected and accountable to the public but live off the public's money and do nothing but ceremonial crap they should shut their fat patronage mouths. You want to be a patronage puppet shut your fat mouth. You want to engage in partisan political comments, get your fat buttox out of the senate and run for elected office-yah like Beyak could run with that fat carcass and her head shoved up her buttox.

[?Impact]

1 minute ago, Rue said:

She wasn't placed in Senate to voice her own personal opinions and this is precisely why the Senate should be abolished.

Don't get me wrong, Bayek should go, but you point out the problem of the Senate without knowing it. It should not just be a tool for the parties to drive their agenda, that has been its problem for years from Trudeau Sr's patronage appointments, thought Harper's talking heads.

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Good luck getting rid of it. People often respond to power in a positive way. They need it, like they need leadership. You idealists have got some pretty wacky ideas. Remove power and what would you have us do? Let me guess- live in an Anarco-syndicalist commune.

Who said anything about removing power?  I know you know the difference between the meanings of remove and redistribute so the only mystery, as usual, is your need to appear confused.  Let me guess - you're a sycophant and good at playing with coconuts.

synonyms:

yes-man, bootlicker, brown-noser, toady, lickspittle, flatterer, flunky, lackey, spaniel, doormat, stooge, cringer, suck, suck-up

 

Edited January 12, 2018 by eyeball

[OftenWrong]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

Who said anything about removing power?  I know you know the difference between the meanings of remove and redistribute so the only mystery, as usual, is your need to appear confused.  Let me guess - you're a sycophant and good at playing with coconuts.

synonyms:

yes-man, bootlicker, brown-noser, toady, lickspittle, flatterer, flunky, lackey, spaniel, doormat, stooge, cringer, suck, suck-up

 

So I was right, the video describes your political leanings. No surprise, it's like reading a comic book.

Edited January 13, 2018 by OftenWrong
emphasis added

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Stop derailing this thread. 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

So I was right, the video describes your political leanings. No surprise, it's like reading a comic book.

I thought your playing with your nuts as you followed your Lord and master around was a far better demonstration of your deep adoring sycophancy than anything else that video had to say.

Besides I'm far more into total chaos than mere anarchy.

[Phred Dobbs]

Here is an old post to remind us of the kind of lies civil service union Hogs tell us about anybody who opposes LIE-berals:

                Oh those poor foolish civil service Harper Haters are at it again, trying to throw mud at Harper and getting most of it on themselves! That is what happens when your best arguments are composed of lies and evasions and distortions of truth of the sort civil service Hogs delight in spewing forth! Such `ammunition is sloppy and messy and VERY inaccurate! It really is a full time job to keep track of the number and range of Hog lies so this is a representative sample only.  Consider these Hog complaints:

 1) They allege a Harper contempt for Canada-LIE. NO- Harper has contempt for greedy civil service Hogs who are bankrupting Canada with their endless lists of entitlements! He also has contempt for the Lie-beral minded grand standing air heads who are so desperate for power that they will BUY IT (with Hog support) NO MATTER THE PRICE! And Harper is not alone- well over fifty five percent of Cdns are SO DISGUSTED with politics that they REFUSE to VOTE! Of those who do vote, a MAJORITY PUT HARPER IN POWER. Canadians would be happier if Hogs and Lie-berals took a more moral and sensible stance....FOR A CHANGE!     

Cdn public opinion breaks down to this: 55 percent utterly disgusted with all politicians, and of the other 45 percent- two third are Hogs and the rest are fiscal Conservatives! LIE-berals live in terror of the day that 55 percent decides that it IS important to vote after all! When that happens LIE-berals WILL be swept away- and with LIE-berals running out of gravy because of all the expenses for new LIE-beral pals- the illegals flooding across the border- Hogs are becoming FURIOUS that their gravy is being directed away from them! 

2) Alleged Harper cheating in 2006 election-ANOTHER LIE! It certainly was not a proud time for Cdn democracy and there were robo-calls made but the investigation DID NOT tie the calls to Conservative Party as LIE-berals assert! HOWEVER-  AND THIS IS CRITICAL-the investigation indicated that BOTH LIE-BERAL and Conservative minded persons probably did make such calls for mischievous reasons!
 
          IN TRUTH, Lie-berals are not so much angry that conservative minded people may have made robo calls in competition with liberal minded supporters DOING THE SAME THING! Deluded LIE-berals are down in the moral mud and yet still claiming it is the moral high road! LIE-berals are ENTIRELY PISSED THAT THEY RAN THIRD in that election! Lie-berals are so arrogant that even running second is a gross humiliation! And  running THIRD has upset them to the point they picture Harper winning by selling his soul to the Devil! Lie-beral arrogance is so huge, they simply cannot understand that they could be rejected by Cdn`s in such a way! And LIE-berals are now looking at the most recent polls with a sense of mind bending horror- and wondering what new LIES to use!

           Lie-berals have been outsmarted by Harper and they don’t like it and in their arrogance they ASSUME he must have cheated somehow! So they endlessly REPEAT their ego soothing LIES! And now the window of opportunity for more Lie-beral style election skullduggery is  CLOSED with Election Canada Officials on guard thanks to public awareness of Working Family Hog advertising and huge Hog greed- which Lie-berals simply cannot satisfy! Canada is basically bankrupt and there is no more gravy for Hogs and LIE-berals will have to win in future on their own merits- and GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE....NUMBER THREE! 

 Nor will there be any more large scale Hog `vouching` bullshit in which Election Canada Hogs let any random stranger with absolutely NO identification of any sort cast a ballot as often as they liked and in any riding they chose.....just so long as the `voter` had a clear hatred of Harper! 
    
3) Alleged that Harper turned Cdn federal surplus into debt.....This is proof positive that Lie-berals and their less shrewd and less cunning cousins of NDP don’t have real clue how things work and don’t have any long term economic plan. They are simply fighting for the chance to play Monopoly with real money AND OUR LIVES! AND COLLECT a huge pile of entitlements for themselves! The Hogs want all the power and all the money and NO RESPONSIBILITY!!!

           In 2006 Ottawa had a THIRTEEN BILLION DOLLAR SURPLUS....with TWELVE BILLION OF THAT coming from OIL COMPANY  TAX REVENUE! Has any of those Lie-beral Monopoly game players looked at the price of oil recently? Or done a count of how much income tax is suddenly NOT being paid by laid off oil workers?  I guess the Hogs are too busy making up new lists of gross entitlements to bother with such `trivia`? And it seems likely that they are so busy sneering at Harper to realize that our former best customers (the Yankees) are having their own fiscal difficulties.....apparently events in United States don’t show up on Hog Monopoly boards? And has ANY LIE-beral calculated the long term costs of shutting down Alberta oil sands? Its not like people will stop buying fossil fuels- they will just get it some place else- while Cdn economy burns!

4)   LIE-berals whine about more pesticide residues on food.....apparently Hogs don’t realize WHERE so much of our food comes from these days? Strawberries from Guatemala, Pears from Chile, lettuce from California, Tomatoes from Italy, carrots from God knows where......and its ALL grown by multi national corporations that don’t give a shit that Cdn Hogs don’t like pesticide residue with their food!

If you don’t want pesticides with your food then DON’T BUY frozen  PROCESSED HEAT AND SERVE SHIT produced by foreign multi-nationals-INSTEAD, buy RAW fruit and vegetables (in season as much as possible) from CDN sources! The LESS processed the stuff is, the easier it is to clean and wash and peel-this clears away much of the residue and makes it harder for foreigners that don’t listen to ANY CDN government to POISON YOU!!!!! But considering what sort of shit comes OUT of the mouths of Hogs its really quite remarkable that they care WHAT GOES IN! 

As for Cdns dying from Listeria contamination in meat- this is more LIE-beral propaganda! It is Ontari-owe LIE-berals and their lax rules governing Ontari-owe meat packers such as Maple Leaf Foods that are to blame- NOT federal govt which has NO authority in this matter! 

5)       The G-20 and alleged wasteful spending-this was the single LARGEST security exercise in Can history and will be the blueprint for the next 50 years on how to handle any sort of national security emergency. I understand that Our idiot Boy Justin thinks we can protect ourselves from ISIS and Hezbollah and Al Quada by sending winter coats to Syria -but some Cdns want MORE serious protection and that takes practice. The air force regularly flies its planes for practice, the navy sends ships to sea for the same reason and the army also practices. Now, thanks to G-20,  our Cops have a field manual for dealing with insurrection and terrorists.

         As for those arrested-what did they think was going to happen? The smashed store windows, the looters and the burning cars would have alerted a sensible person that the neighbourhood was not a good one to visit at that tine! But Harper haters are NOT rational beasts .Further its usually taken as a sign of GUILT if you let criminals hide amongst your group; so by standing in the way of cops chasing Black Block clowns and assorted vandal and looters- you are seen as obstructing justice and therefore needing time in the cells!

        So people got corralled and didnt like it? Next time don’t hang around in the middle of a crime scene nor get in the way and let Block clowns hide behind you! Its not as if people were not warned of trouble coming.....burning cop cars usually spell trouble for sensible people! The really stupid thing about all those idiot protestors is that they HAD NO EFFECT!!!! Government ONLY understands ballots and votes.....not loud mouth dorks who have not thought through their screwed up value system in DECADES! 

          HOWEVER, if you want to suggest that cops got carried away while arresting some imbeciles-what with burning cars, looting  and the need to shut down rapidly escalating violence and were more heavy handed then necessary, I will reluctantly agree to that-and it just proves the need for practice in handling such a national sized mess.....which cops now have.

6)   The Chalk River reactor-and its implications for Atomic Energy Canada and the muddled hogs that `work` there....the Chalk River reactor is the oldest one still operating on the planet. Hog workers knew that it DESPERATELY needed either a MAJOR REBUILD....or to be SCRAPPED.....and if it was scrapped they end up UNEMPLOYED-NO MORE GRAVY-so they decided to build a new one.....problem is they DON T KNOW HOW to do it any more....so they spent HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS on a rats nest of pipes and dials and rusting CRAP that will NEVER produce a single medical isotope because the design is THAT BAD.....while they let the old reactor ROT!!!!

The head moron in this mess of fools was NOT FIRED- as LIE-berals allege- simply  because she wrote a safety report condemning the old reactor as unsafe- though Hogs want us to believe this.  RATHER, she was fired because she is an incompetent IMBECILE who was in charge while the Hogs blew the budget on a failed reactor design that will never work and also allowed the old reactor to fail into DANGEROUS CONDITION! BUT THE HOGS STILL WANT A RAISE AND BETTER PENSION...even while they LIE to us!!!!  

7)         Clean water issue-the Cree Kashetchewan Reserve is the prime example of why Harper and natives don’t get along.....Ottawa paid for and BUILT a sewage treatment plant and a drinking water plant in Kash-AND PAID to train natives to operate BOTH-AND supplied the band council with funds intended to bring in White experts to repair anything the locals could not handle-a sizeable list as the semi literate locals were trained in a quick `crash course`! 

          Both plants quickly broke down and the band leaders hollered to Ottawa for help which they should NOT have needed as they had all that government money just for such emergencies...too bad they SPENT  IT ALL on a trip to California! Yes- hotels, air fares, restaurant meals- and they didn’t do so well in the casino either- its just as easy to lose govt money as your own so no money left for repairing drinking water plants....this is why natives have boil water advisories on so many reserves-because they are to often DELIBERATE fcuk ups! 

8) The list of shameless native activities is so great that tax payers are utterly disgusted-WAY to much federal money has been used for obscene salaries, trips on Carribean cruise lines, fancy cars or; in the case of the Atiwapiskat Reserve, ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS simply vanished. Just faded away into a hole in the tundra....with NO receipts or records of any sort- and NO NEW houses built either! 

The scope and scale of Native fiscal irregularities is now so HUGE that Harper has taken action-NO MORE MONEY till native Bands start producing actual receipts for money spent and keep HONEST books of band operational spending. Harper expects natives to be honest and careful with tax money...and for this he is labeled a racist. And Hogs want their own opportunity to loot tax money and have joined with native cheats against CDN TAXPAYERS!!!!  

          Sadly, this is only a partial list of the lies and propaganda routinely spewed by civil service Working Family Hogs in their pursuit of more gravy and endless entitlements. 

 

[?Impact]

Let`s see, "LIE-berals", and "Hogs", sure thing I am going to read the rest of the obviously rabid rant. You would think verbose people would at least understand that when they salivate like that, they are not to be taken seriously.

[taxme]

On 1/10/2018 at 7:12 AM, AngusThermopyle said:

So she's pissed about being booted, and at this time we don't know if she's telling the truth or not, as mentioned it's still he said, she said. What I find notable is that at least Scheer takes action, Trudeau on the other hand absolutely refuses to do the same when his people make far more egregious gaffs. You know, Mourneau, Monseff, Hehr etc. All of them should have been given the boot yet Trudeau refuses to do what he should. That to me shows a contrast between the two men, and it's a contrast that further makes Trudeau look even worse than he already does.

That is the difference between the liberals and the conservatives. The liberals will always stick together while the conservatives will always fight among each other, and try and stick it to each other. Scheer needs to show some back bone, and not show himself looking like a spineless coward. Sheer is politically correct and that is his problem. 

[taxme]

On 1/10/2018 at 7:48 AM, ?Impact said:

Your opinion only. If you think that no benefit from the sale, as recently defined by the ethics commissioner, is more egregious than promoting racism, then you and I disagree.

I did not see anything all that wrong with what Beyak said. It is obvious Beyak is like many other Canadians who are getting fed up baby sitting the native Indians any longer. They are treated like gods here in Canada. They get to buy many things without having to pay taxes on them. That is discrimination and racist. They should give up their status cards and buy them off once and for all. Although the Canadian taxpayer's have paid more than their fair share of feeding and housing and clothing the Indians for decades now. When will it end? 

Edited January 15, 2018 by taxme

[Topaz]

On 1/12/2018 at 1:45 PM, Rue said:

No not at all. Duffy lied about where he lived to get around a loop-hole so he could qualify as a Senator for PEI. He also engaged in behaviour about spending taxpayer's money on himself. Beyak on the other hand is not under scrutiny for spending habits or lying where she lives but as to what she has said-specifically words she knows single out and assign a negative spin on ALL aboriginal peoples-words she would never say as an elected official-words she knew would cause hurt-words that escalated what she said and was already told to avoid by the Tory party-she deliberately escalated her language and references about ALL aboriginals in a sign of deliberate contempt and challenge to being told by the Tory caucus to cool it. She doesn't give a damn about anything but her own ego and opinions. She wasn't placed in Senate to voice her own personal opinions and this is precisely why the Senate should be abolished. We have these bloated bovine full of themselves and imagining they have importance and they have a platform to say whatever they want-it is precisely because they are not elected and accountable to the public but live off the public's money and do nothing but ceremonial crap they should shut their fat patronage mouths. You want to be a patronage puppet shut your fat mouth. You want to engage in partisan political comments, get your fat buttox out of the senate and run for elected office-yah like Beyak could run with that fat carcass and her head shoved up her buttox.

R U saying Harper never lied??  Because I'm pretty sure MOST Canadians  believed he did.

Edited January 15, 2018 by Topaz

[?Impact]

10 hours ago, taxme said:

They are treated like gods here in Canada. They get to buy many things without having to pay taxes on them.

You obviously have a comprehension issue with first nation.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, ?Impact said:

You obviously have a comprehension issue with first nation.

Maybe he just understands that a few hundred people living in the woods off Canada's native welfare system don't constitute a 'nation'.

Edited January 15, 2018 by Argus