August1991 Posted March 24, 2018 Author Report Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The real thing is even more interesting, as in the courtship and purposeful manipulation of Elizabeth for marriage beginning at only 13 years of age. Greece's Prince Philip maneuvered into position with help from his uncle Louis Mountbatten, and a battle ensued to keep the House of Tudor name. "Mountbatten" was in fact an anglicised "Battenberg". And Windsor is a complete invention: her grandfather's name was in fact "Saxo-Cobourg" - utterly changed, like Ontario's Kitchener. BTW, I once visited the small place in Cobourg, Germany where Victoria went on holiday. The guide told me that Margaret and Andrew had visited - Elizabeth, not. It reminded me of Yalta. Versailles splendour? Not at all. The vacation, private life of European royalty in the late 19th century is comparable to wealthy Ontario cottage - barely Newport, RI. In Newport, rich Americans understood that a summer place was to invite. Not impress. Years before, Frederick the Great sort-of did that at Sans Souci. ==== "Tudor"? "Henry VII"? He was a gangster. Like Joseph P. Kennedy, he created a dynasty. The name "Tudor" is a fraud, like Bernie Madoff. But so-called Henry VII created the name Tudor, Joseph P created the name Kennedy and Bernie created the name NASDAQ. The future will decide whose ego will live longest. Edited March 24, 2018 by August1991 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2018 Report Posted March 24, 2018 The whole Prince Philip fiasco was repeated with Princess Diana. Damn royals are a very exclusive club ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
JamesHackerMP Posted March 25, 2018 Report Posted March 25, 2018 I like how The Windsors portrays the minor royals, like Beatrice & Eugene, the daughers of Andrew & Fergie. Wow, I hope they aren't like that in real life. Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
August1991 Posted May 24, 2018 Author Report Posted May 24, 2018 On 3/24/2018 at 11:54 PM, JamesHackerMP said: I like how The Windsors portrays the minor royals, like Beatrice & Eugene, the daughers of Andrew & Fergie. Wow, I hope they aren't like that in real life. God knows how this TV series will deal with this new addition (Red haired prince & Markle) to the British royal family. ===== To those monarchist defenders of "tradition", I ask: do you realize how "British Royalty" has become "Kardashian"? I prefer sustainable States. Quote
August1991 Posted November 1, 2018 Author Report Posted November 1, 2018 (edited) The French monarchy, several centuries. The British monarchy, several centuries. Chinese Empires? ======= America? Several centuries. I love America. Doable, sustainable. Bump. Edited November 1, 2018 by August1991 Quote
JamesHackerMP Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 On 11/1/2018 at 1:25 AM, August1991 said: The French monarchy, several centuries. The British monarchy, several centuries. Chinese Empires? ======= America? Several centuries. I love America. Doable, sustainable. Bump. Should I stand up on my desk and start singing "God Bless America"? Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
Wilber Posted November 5, 2018 Report Posted November 5, 2018 On 3/23/2018 at 10:51 PM, August1991 said: ==== "Tudor"? "Henry VII"? He was a gangster. Like Joseph P. Kennedy, he created a dynasty. The name "Tudor" is a fraud, like Bernie Madoff. But so-called Henry VII created the name Tudor, Joseph P created the name Kennedy and Bernie created the name NASDAQ. The future will decide whose ego will live longest. Tudor was the Anglicization of the Welsh family Tudur. Henry was born in Wales, son of Edmund Tudor, Earl of Richmond. Owen Tudor, son of Maredudd ap Tudur was Henry VII's grandfather. Monarchies back then had quite a bit in common with mafia families. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
August1991 Posted November 6, 2018 Author Report Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, Wilber said: Tudor was the Anglicization of the Welsh family Tudur. Henry was born in Wales, son of Edmund Tudor, Earl of Richmond. Owen Tudor, son of Maredudd ap Tudur was Henry VII's grandfather. Monarchies back then had quite a bit in common with mafia families. Tudur? Tudor? Never heard such a translation. ==== Make no mistake, "Henry VII" was an Italian Godfather. Whatta guy! ==== America, decent, honest, good = still here. Edited November 6, 2018 by August1991 Quote
August1991 Posted November 6, 2018 Author Report Posted November 6, 2018 The Chinese, French, English - even Vietnamese, Bulgarian - have various claims to sustainability. Some people even claim that they have the exact word of God (supposedly God only speaks Arabic) - if true, certainably sustainable. ==== I object. Quote
JamesHackerMP Posted January 14, 2019 Report Posted January 14, 2019 Markle is portrayed in a special wedding episode. I love how she keeps mentioning her role on "Suits" which she always pronounces weird. I also hear she is having a hard time fitting in in the royal family. Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
JamesHackerMP Posted January 23, 2019 Report Posted January 23, 2019 On 11/5/2018 at 1:36 PM, Wilber said: Tudor was the Anglicization of the Welsh family Tudur. Henry was born in Wales, son of Edmund Tudor, Earl of Richmond. Owen Tudor, son of Maredudd ap Tudur was Henry VII's grandfather. Monarchies back then had quite a bit in common with mafia families. You should watch The Borgias! They're the original crime family. Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
August1991 Posted October 17, 2021 Author Report Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) On 1/23/2019 at 12:13 AM, JamesHackerMP said: You should watch The Borgias! They're the original crime family. Here's my point: The Americans wrote a constitution that has existed for over two centuries. They created a society where power is passed peacefully between opponents without death. China, Russia, India, France have not done that. Even the UK has not done this. Indeed, no society has done this - except America. (Maybe Switzerland. Or the Netherlands.) ==== As a Canadian, several times I have stood beside a Frenchwoman and an American - who doesn't speak French. I have pointed out that America's republic has lasted longer than her five republics. I have reminded people from China that their language is one thing, but their method of choosing leaders another. Chou En Lai famously said to Kissinger: "We have yet to decide whether the French revolution is sustainable." Well, America has lasted longer than Sun Yat Sen and Mao Tse Dong. When this guy Xi (or Putin) hands over power like Trump handed the keys to the White House to Biden (despite what MSNBC says, Trump did), I'll believe that China (or Russia) are sustainable. Edited October 17, 2021 by August1991 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 17, 2021 Report Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, August1991 said: 1. The Americans wrote a constitution that has existed for over two centuries. They created a society where power is passed peacefully between opponents without death. China, Russia, India, France have not done that. Even the UK has not done this. Indeed, no society has done this - except America. (Maybe Switzerland. Or the Netherlands.) ==== 2. When this guy Xi (or Putin) hands over power like Trump handed the keys to the White House to Biden (despite what MSNBC says, Trump did), I'll believe that China (or Russia) are sustainable. 1. OK, but every dog has his day. France overthrew the monarchy. Russia's revolution also changed how the world looked at power. The UK reformed the monarchy relatively peacefully, and China reformed Communism. 2. Trump wants to be Putin and may yet be him. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Cannucklehead Posted October 17, 2021 Report Posted October 17, 2021 The americans did not create that, they merely adopted the concept from ancient Greece. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 17, 2021 Report Posted October 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said: The americans did not create that, they merely adopted the concept from ancient Greece. Well, ok but they added something to it. "Everything old is new again" ... sure ... but credit is due. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
August1991 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Report Posted October 22, 2021 On 10/17/2021 at 6:57 AM, Cannucklehead said: The americans did not create that, they merely adopted the concept from ancient Greece. No one speaks ancient Greek nowadays, but the Greek alphabet still exists. For how many centuries did Christian Greeks and Bulgarians survive? This is what I mean by sustainability. ===== Richard Dawkins is an avowed atheist. But his belief is not sustainable. Quote
August1991 Posted September 17, 2022 Author Report Posted September 17, 2022 Let me explain my point above about Dawkins and humanity. ==== Dawkins speaks about genes - whether individual attributes will by chance get into the next code. I speak about people - and how they decide to create the code. Quote
Aristides Posted September 18, 2022 Report Posted September 18, 2022 On 3/23/2018 at 10:51 PM, August1991 said: "Mountbatten" was in fact an anglicised "Battenberg". And Windsor is a complete invention: her grandfather's name was in fact "Saxo-Cobourg" - utterly changed, like Ontario's Kitchener. BTW, I once visited the small place in Cobourg, Germany where Victoria went on holiday. The guide told me that Margaret and Andrew had visited - Elizabeth, not. It reminded me of Yalta. Versailles splendour? Not at all. The vacation, private life of European royalty in the late 19th century is comparable to wealthy Ontario cottage - barely Newport, RI. In Newport, rich Americans understood that a summer place was to invite. Not impress. Years before, Frederick the Great sort-of did that at Sans Souci. ==== "Tudor"? "Henry VII"? He was a gangster. Like Joseph P. Kennedy, he created a dynasty. The name "Tudor" is a fraud, like Bernie Madoff. But so-called Henry VII created the name Tudor, Joseph P created the name Kennedy and Bernie created the name NASDAQ. The future will decide whose ego will live longest. The Tudors were an ancient Welsh family. Henry VII was a descendent through his mother. Most royal dynasties were gangsters back then. Quote
Aristides Posted September 18, 2022 Report Posted September 18, 2022 On 10/17/2021 at 2:58 AM, Michael Hardner said: 1. OK, but every dog has his day. France overthrew the monarchy. Russia's revolution also changed how the world looked at power. The UK reformed the monarchy relatively peacefully, and China reformed Communism. 2. Trump wants to be Putin and may yet be him. 25 years after their revolution, the French made Napoleon emperor. The Trump Cult would like to do the same. Quote
August1991 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Report Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) On 9/18/2022 at 4:46 PM, Aristides said: 25 years after their revolution, the French made Napoleon emperor. The Trump Cult would like to do the same. Gimme a break. Napoleon = Trump? ====== The figurehead Charles III became monarch when his mother Elizabeth II died. Death decides State rule. Or like Russia, Yeltsin chooses Putin. Make no mistake, what makes you Americans great is that you established a way to pass State power peacefully between living people who hate each other. == John Adams surrendered to Jefferson. Trump gave up power to Biden. Peacefully. Everyone in the world knows that Trump hates Biden, Trump was president: now he's not. Edited September 22, 2022 by August1991 Quote
Aristides Posted September 22, 2022 Report Posted September 22, 2022 (edited) Trump isn’t Napoleon but he would like to be and so would his cult. Trump only gave up his power when his coup failed. He still hasn’t really given it up with his stolen election claims. Edited September 22, 2022 by Aristides Quote
August1991 Posted September 27, 2022 Author Report Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) On 9/22/2022 at 10:18 AM, Aristides said: Trump isn’t Napoleon but he would like to be.... I disagree. IMHO, at most, Trump is a buffoon. He's no Napoleon or Hitler. But like the summer of 1914, the sinking of the Titanic, this rich American guy, Trump is sending us all a warning. ==== The elite wants one thing - and the rest of us will suffer. Edited September 27, 2022 by August1991 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted September 27, 2022 Report Posted September 27, 2022 3 hours ago, August1991 said: I disagree. IMHO, at most, Trump is a buffoon. He's no Napoleon or Hitler. But like the summer of 1914, the sinking of the Titanic, this rich American guy, Trump is sending us all a warning. ==== The elite wants one thing - and the rest of us will suffer. Idi Amin, Mussolini, Hitler were all laughed at too The elite have been running the show since forever. If you want a better deal, then you have to ask for one. We used to reward Fords and Edisons ... nowadays John Rockefeller wouldn't make the list of top fifty billionaires, adjusted for inflation. Don't rail about the elites if you think that the status quo is the only alternative. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Aristides Posted September 27, 2022 Report Posted September 27, 2022 9 hours ago, August1991 said: I disagree. IMHO, at most, Trump is a buffoon. He's no Napoleon or Hitler. But like the summer of 1914, the sinking of the Titanic, this rich American guy, Trump is sending us all a warning. ==== The elite wants one thing - and the rest of us will suffer. I said he would like to be Napoleon. He couldn't hold Napoleon's horse. Quote
August1991 Posted January 5, 2023 Author Report Posted January 5, 2023 (edited) On 9/27/2022 at 6:41 AM, Michael Hardner said: Idi Amin, Mussolini, Hitler were all laughed at too The elite have been running the show since forever. If you want a better deal, then you have to ask for one. '''' What a thread drift: Mussolini and Hitler were post 1918. (Idi Amin? Huh? He died in Saudi Arabia....) ====== Michael, IMHO, this new 21st century elite is like the late 19th century elite that lead ordinary people into the disaster of 1914. These so-called experts in Washington and Brussels in 2010 remind me of the advisors in Vienna and Berlin in 1910. Edited January 5, 2023 by August1991 1 Quote
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