CITIZEN_2015 Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Why do you think China is in Iran today, Because oil matters...BIG TIME. Damn Russia and France too. The US however stayed away likely not because of the disastrous human rights violations but because of Israel dictating America's foreign policies and its interests. Edited March 7, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
kactus Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 12 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Has nothing to do with being "honest".....reality doesn't care about such superficial arguments. Why do you think China is in Iran today, or why Canadian oil services contractors were were in Iraq and Libya ? Because oil matters...BIG TIME. So let me get this straight....Democracy was about to shape Iran in 1953 and you are saying that it was all because of US and UK interests in oil (which sadly I find myself in agreement with you...) But please next time spare me any BS from you bleeding hearts telling us it was because of lack of democracy, lack of freedom of speech and the presence of commies that made us intervene...Just like your current POTUS signing $100bn arms deal with horrible regimes in Saudi Arabia. So China is role model for you now? Quote
eyeball Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 On 3/6/2018 at 2:51 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said: The French also sell massive weaponary to Saudi Arabia and Arab Emirates which are used in Yemen. Damn French open their legs for anyone with money regardless. We sell weapons to Saudi Arabia too and we're on course to build pipelines and tanker ports to help fuel the growth and expansion of the biggest dictatorship on the planet. Everyone is opening their legs to money...regardless of anything. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: We sell weapons to Saudi Arabia too and we're on course to build pipelines and tanker ports to help fuel the growth and expansion of the biggest dictatorship on the planet. Everyone is opening their legs to money...regardless of anything. Russia and France are the biggest prostitutes. They both armed Iraqi Saddam to teeth with latest weaponary and helped him to build chemical weapons while he was at war with Iran using those weapons to massively kill Iranian and kurdish civilians and they were well aware of that they were using chemical weapons. And now they both ignore massive human right violations in Iran and trade massively. We may sell weapons to S. Arabia which is very wrong but nothing close to what US is doing (and btw, Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship but not the biggest. There are some much worse dictatorships who shoot or bomb their own people, imprison and torture their citizens, beat up their women, ............ ). Edited March 7, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 Iran procecutor sentence a woman to 2 years in jail for taking off the hijab https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/07/iranian-woman-who-removed-headscarf-sentenced-to-two-years Quote
eyeball Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said: Russia and France are the biggest prostitutes. They both armed Iraqi Saddam to teeth with latest weaponary and helped him to build chemical weapons while he was at war with Iran using those weapons to massively kill Iranian and kurdish civilians and they were well aware of that they were using chemical weapons. And now they both ignore massive human right violations in Iran and trade massively. We may sell weapons to S. Arabia which is very wrong but nothing close to what US is doing (and btw, Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship but not the biggest. There are some much worse dictatorships who shoot or bomb their own people, imprison and torture their citizens, beat up their women, ............ ). I see, we're just little whores. The problem with principles is that they don't differentiate between a penny or a pound and neither do I. When you're in you're in. Our grandparents devoted some 25% of Canada's GDP to fight tyranny. I think our grandparents would puke if they could see how far Canada has fallen. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 4 hours ago, kactus said: So let me get this straight....Democracy was about to shape Iran in 1953 and you are saying that it was all because of US and UK interests in oil (which sadly I find myself in agreement with you...) More specifically, it was about the nationalization of foreign owned petroleum infrastructure in Iran by the "democracy" candidate. Democracy was also denied in Canada and the USA in 1953, so I am not all broken up about Iran at that time. Quote But please next time spare me any BS from you bleeding hearts telling us it was because of lack of democracy, lack of freedom of speech and the presence of commies that made us intervene...Just like your current POTUS signing $100bn arms deal with horrible regimes in Saudi Arabia. WTF? I don't care about democracy in Iran, and have never made that argument. Screw Iran....long time. And Canada already has a Yuuuuge arms deal with the Saudis, because not only does oil matter, jobs and votes in Ontariario matter too. Quote So China is role model for you now? Any market that is much larger than Canada is a role model for international trade. GM sells more cars in China than in Canada or USA. Economics trumps Virtue. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 7, 2018 Report Posted March 7, 2018 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Economics trumps Virtue. That's what Coca Cola, GM, IBM and a few other companies said when they were doing business with the Nazis. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 58 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said: That's what Coca Cola, GM, IBM and a few other companies said when they were doing business with the Nazis. Like Coca Cola Canada, GM Canada, and IBM Canada ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
blackbird Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 With Canada's official policy of mult culturalism, Canada treats anybody from anywhere the same. Everyone has the same rights according to the law, everyone can vote once they become a citizen, and can go anywhere, work anywhere, obtain qualifications and work in whatever job they wish, live anywhere and practice any religion they wish as long as they obey the laws. Why is it that places like South Africa which fought against apartheid and discrimination, now think it is ok to discriminate. And people in some middle eastern countries do not treat non-Muslims the same as Muslims. In fact the laws oppose religious freedom and punish those who contradict or offend Islam. Canada tries to be fair and tolerant to anyone regardless of their skin colour or religion but apparently the situation is not the same in a lot of other places. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) Happy International Women's Day: Happy Internationl women"s Day to all women, in particular to those who are fighting for equality and freedom around the globe and more in particular to Iranian women for their struggle to achieve equality and freedom of choice. They have our full support and are indeed in our hearts and minds. We pray for the victory of Good over Evil. http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iran-women-20180308-story.html Edited March 8, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Hudson Jones Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Like Coca Cola Canada, GM Canada, and IBM Canada ? Even if those companies have presence in Canada, who cares. Your nationalism is kind of funny. What I am trying to say is that your view that Economics trumps Virtue, is weak and limp and a weakness in humanity that needs to be changed. I'm optimistic that we are heading towards the right direction and the old, stale, morally bankrupt ideas such as the one you shared will continue to be pushed aside. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said: Even if those companies have presence in Canada, who cares. Your nationalism is kind of funny. What I am trying to say is that your view that Economics trumps Virtue, is weak and limp and a weakness in humanity that needs to be changed. I'm optimistic that we are heading towards the right direction and the old, stale, morally bankrupt ideas such as the one you shared will continue to be pushed aside. Reality trumps Fantasy. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted March 8, 2018 Report Posted March 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Reality trumps Fantasy. The reality is that companies started boycotting South Africa due to pressure from people around the world. There is a similar movement when it comes to Israel. The boycott movement continues to get bigger. The world keeps changing, including our moral standards. Those who hold onto archaic beliefs like "economics trumps virtue" will be left behind. Sorry to break it to you BC2004. Let go of the old, corrupt ideals and join us in Making the World Better. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 9, 2018 Report Posted March 9, 2018 6 hours ago, Hudson Jones said: ...Let go of the old, corrupt ideals and join us in Making the World Better. Then boycott and BDS Iran. Make the world better ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
capricorn Posted March 9, 2018 Report Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) Speaking of democracy in Iran. The Bolivarian Alliance for the Peoples of Our America (ALBA) met last week in Venezuela. ALBA is made up of Antigua and Barbuda, Bolivia, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Grenada, Nicaragua, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname and Venezuela, and three observer countries: Haiti, Iran and Syria. Iran should pick up great tips on how to grow democracy from that select group of countries. Or perhaps I've got it wrong. Haiti, Iran and Syria may be the ones to school the ALBA members on how to keep citizens in check. https://www.havanatimes.org/?p=130986 Some meeting highlights. https://www.havanatimes.org/?p=130996 Edited March 9, 2018 by capricorn add meeting highlights Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Hudson Jones Posted March 9, 2018 Report Posted March 9, 2018 15 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Then boycott and BDS Iran. Make the world better ! Sure. If Iran is occupying and annexing another people's land with immunity from our governments, we will join together to boycott them. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
GostHacked Posted March 9, 2018 Author Report Posted March 9, 2018 On 3/7/2018 at 7:57 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: Like Coca Cola Canada, GM Canada, and IBM Canada ? Yeah , Canadian branches of US companies towed the line like they did in the USA. It's a corp, not a nation. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted March 9, 2018 Report Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hudson Jones said: Sure. If Iran is occupying and annexing another people's land with immunity from our governments, we will join together to boycott them. They do occupy another people's land. They occupy the land of Aryans (which Iran stands for incidently) imposing their Arab culture upon this 25 century Aryan nation. They came out of Arab accupation before when they were invaded and occupied 1400 years ago with preserved language and culture and I am sure they will do it again this time with totally clean pure pre-occupation culture. Edited March 9, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 10, 2018 Report Posted March 10, 2018 On 2018-03-06 at 7:21 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said: Watch this moving animation video. https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/06/middleeast/iran-women-protest-hijab-online-asequals-intl/index.html The slogans by Iranians in recent uprising were against so called reformers and others as well as they are thought of being no different. They have realized it is a political game by the regime.They were demanding real fundamental change. Nobody is suggesting interference like the one in 1953 but this defenseless nation needs our support in terms of political and economic pressure otherwise this crying out nation will have no one and they do what they want to them if nobody hears them. Unlike French government (and to lesser extend EU) who acts like prostitute who opens her legs to whoever pays for business regardless of their records on human rights, the civilized world which clearly excludes Russia should act differently and stand for women's rights and human rights. The French also sell massive weaponary to Saudi Arabia and Arab Emirates which are used in Yemen. Damn French open their legs for anyone with money regardless. What country that makes weapons refrains from selling them to despots? Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted March 10, 2018 Report Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) It’s hard to tell what Iranians want but I imagine they do not want serious disorder or civil war. Change should be led from within. It will come as the old generation dies off - but over years, not weeks or months. Edited March 10, 2018 by SpankyMcFarland Quote
kactus Posted March 10, 2018 Report Posted March 10, 2018 6 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: It’s hard to tell what Iranians want but I imagine they do not want serious disorder or civil war. Change should be led from within. It will come as the old generation dies off - but over years, not weeks or months. The change from within has always been the case and you can understand why that sentiment amongst the indigenious population of Iran is strong (whether young or old), They see the invasion of neighbouring countries by the West creating a bigger mess than they were before....Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia, Yemen and the list goes on.... Quite frankly, for average an Iranian to expect a ‘western style democracy’ from countries that make weapons and then sells them to despotic regimes in Saudi Arabia in the name of made up democracy is foolish and naive to say the least. Screw that! But hey that doesn’t stop the ass kisser governments to brown nose the sheikhs and entertain them..... Just temember the last major attack on american soil was carried out by the same Saudi culprits flying two planes into the tower in the name of their version of made up democracy. The americans sure as hell are suffering the stockholm syndrome.... In the meantime....the big bad boy Mohammad Bin Salman “ladies and gentlemen please make a standing ovation” is on a three day state vidit to London to sign more lucrative bad bad deals as Trumpy likes to refer to them: http://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2018/03/07/saudi-crown-princes-visit-to-london-turns-into-a-bitter-and-awkward-pr-battle-about-his-legacy/ https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1GL18M http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/mohammad-bin-salman-prince-uk-london-visit-saudi-media-reports-latest-a8244276.html looking at some of these billboards in these articles one wonders if this is London or Riyad!!!! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 10, 2018 Report Posted March 10, 2018 Iran has exported/sponsored plenty of "terrorism" consistent with its own regional interests....not so innocent in such matters. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
CITIZEN_2015 Posted March 10, 2018 Report Posted March 10, 2018 4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Iran has exported/sponsored plenty of "terrorism" consistent with its own regional interests....not so innocent in such matters. It shows your total lack of knowledge when you address or blame Iran for the actions of the occupying force (the Arabian regime). 1 Quote
GostHacked Posted March 10, 2018 Author Report Posted March 10, 2018 9 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Iran has exported/sponsored plenty of "terrorism" consistent with its own regional interests....not so innocent in such matters. The USA was involved in terrorism against Iran back in the 1950a. What exactly is the complaint? 1 Quote
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