Omni Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The Arabs started this war and LOST. Losers do not get do-overs. Terrorists do not get their own countries. no they didn't. The Israeli's dropped the bombs that started it off.
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Omni said: no they didn't. The Israeli's dropped the bombs that started it off. History does not agree. Most of all, Nasser doesn't agree with you....the guy who started 1967's war. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) For the history challenged: Nasser said he KNEW that blockading Israel would force Israel to attack his vastly superior, modern, Soviet supplied military. As he details here...May 27th, 1967 A Win-Win situation, as far as Nasser was concerned. As well, each day Israel's citizen reserve was in the field with the IDF, that was one more day they weren't at work providing Israel's basic services. So if Israel didn't attack and accepted their besieged state...that was ALSO good. Israel was having none of it. Operation Focus followed. One of the most brilliant air operations ever staged. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Focus Of course, the history challenged imagine the massive Israeli air force with US provided aircraft descending upon the innocent and hapless Arab armies massed on Israeli's borders...poor dears. That's not what happened. Israel's tiny air force of mainly french aircraft (Mirage III being the showcase machine) perfected quick turnarounds against the more numerous Arabs...upping the number of sorties available to the IAF...to cripple the Egyptian and Syrian airfields...cratering the runways and strafing Arab aircraft on the ground. Edited January 27, 2018 by DogOnPorch 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: History does not agree. Most of all, Nasser doesn't agree with you....the guy who started 1967's war. Yeah it does agree with me. Israeli (US built and supplied) dropped the bombs to get things rolling.
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Omni said: Yeah it does agree with me. Israeli (US built and supplied) dropped the bombs to get things rolling. You're free to invent your own history. Israel doesn't care what you make-up. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) On 1/23/2018 at 12:26 AM, marcus said: Perhaps the racist Israeli government can consult with the S.A. Apartheid government to see what they did after the racist government fell after a global boycott movement. Racist? Aren't you among those who points out the Arabs like the Israelis, are largely Semitic? Besides, it's a wretchedly stupid comparison in the first place. You have millions of Arab-Israelis who have the right to vote, to free speech, to work in Israel, to worship at their own mosques, to free assembly and the whole deal. That's not something that ever happened in South Africa for Blacks under apatheid. For that matter, you won't find any other religious groups allowed to freely worship in Saudi Arabia or Sudan, or, for that matter, Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan. They can try in Egypt but they better have lots of armed guards to keep out the suicide bombers and guys with AK-47s. Weren't you going to tell me which of the world's 57 Muslim majority states give equal rights to Muslims and non-Muslims? Or men and women? Edited January 27, 2018 by Argus 2 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: You're free to invent your own history. As are you apparently.
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: For the history challenged: Nasser said he KNEW that blockading Israel would force Israel to attack his vastly superior, modern, Soviet supplied military. As he details here...May 27th, 1967 A Win-Win situation, as far as Nasser was concerned. As well, each day Israel's citizen reserve was in the field with the IDF, that was one more day they weren't at work providing Israel's basic services. So if Israel didn't attack and accepted their besieged state...that was ALSO good. Israel was having none of it. Operation Focus followed. One of the most brilliant air operations ever staged. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Focus Of course, the history challenged imagine the massive Israeli air force with US provided aircraft descending upon the innocent and hapless Arab armies massed on Israeli's borders...poor dears. That's not what happened. Israel's tiny air force of mainly french aircraft (Mirage III being the showcase machine) perfected quick turnarounds against the more numerous Arabs...upping the number of sorties available to the IAF...to cripple the Egyptian and Syrian airfields...cratering the runways and strafing Arab aircraft on the ground. This is what matter...not Omni's invented facts. US aircraft in 1967....hahahah. 2 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 4:53 PM, GostHacked said: The fact is that Israel may control East Jerusalem, it is NOT part of Israel proper. Plain and simple. Maybe that fact does not sit well with you or Dog. Pertinent to the suggestion by some that Arabs would be more even-handed than Israelis. Certainly when Jordan controlled Jerusalem they had no respect for others' religious symbols or locations. And as pointed out, Jews are prohibited from even entering Palestinian lands by the Palestinians. Therefore if the Palestinians ever took over East Jerusalem the first thing they would do would be to expel all the Jews. Nor would you find all these lefties squealing about how Israel wants to expel the Arabs saying one thing about it were it to happen either. 2 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: This is what matter...not Omni's invented facts. US aircraft in 1967....hahahah. Keep tryin' l'il buddy. But try and get your dates up to date.
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 Just now, Omni said: Keep tryin' l'il buddy. But try and get your dates up to date. You lie. It's your way. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: You lie. It's your way. When anyone shows you to be wrong it becomes a lie. It's your way. Quite transparent by now though l'il buddy.
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Omni said: When anyone shows you to be wrong it becomes a lie. It's your way. Quite transparent by now though l'il buddy. I don't care if you feel the need to lie about history in order to protect your Arab friends. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 Just now, DogOnPorch said: I don't care if you feel the need to lie about history in order to protect your Arab friends. If I ever feel the need maybe I will. For now the truth is sufficient to prove my point.
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Omni said: If I ever feel the need maybe I will. For now the truth is sufficient to prove my point. Feel free to provide a link to a US aircraft used in Operation Focus...tick tock. Meanwhile US spy ship Liberty is being strafed at sea by the IAF... Edited January 27, 2018 by DogOnPorch 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Feel free to provide a link to a US aircraft used in Operation Focus...tick tock. Meanwhile US spy ship Liberty is being strafed at sea by the IAF... You feel free first. It's only polite.
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 Just now, Omni said: You feel free first. It's only polite. You can't find one, you mean. I accept that you lie to protect your chosen faith and your friends. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Argus said: Racist? Yes, racist. Very racist. Israel is a systemic racist country with laws against Palestinians. Israel treats both the Palestinians living in Israel differently than Jews and the Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories different than the illegal Jewish settlers who have stolen Palestinian land. So you are absolutely wrong. Difference in treatment of Palestinians in Israel vs Jews in Israel 1) Citizenship laws - Palestinians are not allowed to have their families immigrate to Israel. If a Palestinian marries someone from outside of Israel, they would not be able to bring them over to live in Israel. Whereas any Jew, anywhere around the world has automatic citizenship in Israel. 2) Civil Rights - Palestinians are discriminated against regularly. Israeli High Court Justice Theodor Or wrote in The Report by the State Commission of Inquiry into the Events of October 2000: The Arab citizens of Israel live in a reality in which they experience discrimination as Arabs. This inequality has been documented in a large number of professional surveys and studies, has been confirmed in court judgments and government resolutions, and has also found expression in reports by the state comptroller and in other official documents. Although the Jewish majority’s awareness of this discrimination is often quite low, it plays a central role in the sensibilities and attitudes of Arab citizens. This discrimination is widely accepted, both within the Arab sector and outside it, and by official assessments, as a chief cause of agitation. According to the U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices: "Israeli-Arab advocacy organizations have challenged the Government's policy of demolishing illegal buildings in the Arab sector, and claimed that the Government was more restrictive in issuing building permits in Arab communities than in Jewish communities, thereby not accommodating natural growth." "In June, the Supreme Court ruled that omitting Arab towns from specific government social and economic plans is discriminatory. This judgment builds on previous assessments of disadvantages suffered by Arab Israelis." "Israeli-Arab organizations have challenged as discriminatory the 1996 "Master Plan for the Northern Areas of Israel," which listed as priority goals increasing the Galilee's Jewish population and blocking the territorial contiguity of Arab towns." "Israeli Arabs were not required to perform mandatory military service and, in practice, only a small percentage of Israeli Arabs served in the military. Those who did not serve in the army had less access than other citizens to social and economic benefits for which military service was a prerequisite or an advantage, such as housing, new-household subsidies, and employment, especially government or security-related industrial employment. The Ivri Committee on National Service has issued official recommendations to the Government that Israel Arabs not be compelled to perform national or "civic" service, but be afforded an opportunity to perform such service"." "According to a 2003 University of Haifa study, a tendency existed to impose heavier prison terms to Arab citizens than to Jewish citizens. Human rights advocates claimed that Arab citizens were more likely to be convicted of murder and to have been denied bail." "The Orr Commission of Inquiry's report […] stated that the 'Government handling of the Arab sector has been primarily neglectful and discriminatory,' that the Government 'did not show sufficient sensitivity to the needs of the Arab population, and did not take enough action to allocate state resources in an equal manner.' As a result, 'serious distress prevailed in the Arab sector in various areas. Evidence of distress included poverty, unemployment, a shortage of land, serious problems in the education system, and substantially defective infrastructure.'" "According to a 2005 study at Hebrew University, three times more money was invested in education of Jewish children as in Arab children." 3) Property Ownership Discrimination - Jewish National Fund (JNF) owns a portion of land in Israel. Majority of this land belonged to Palestinians who lost their land after a bizarre Absentee Property Law was past, because the owners of the lands were 'absent'. As many know, these "absent" Palestinians were driven out of Israel by the Israeli military and terrorist groups such as Irgun. Land owned by JNF is only given to Jews. Palestinians only have access to purchase only 6.5% of land in Israel. There is discrimination there as well as it's almost impossible for Palestinians to receive permits to build new homes. In essence, Palestinians are able to live in small portions of Israel, while the Jews can live anywhere in Israel. 4) Allocation of government funds - When it comes to education, health and other funding, Palestinians regularly receive a lot less funds from the Israeli government than Jewish Israelis. Have a look at this report from The Guardian where this is well documented. Treatment of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories vs Jewish Settlers in the Occupied Territories This can be a long post. Everything from the use of natural resources, to land, to economic access, to discriminatory laws. If you want to learn more about the racist and discriminatory treatment of Palestinians and the difference in treatement of Jews, I would recommend that you start here, on the HRW site. 1 "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, marcus said: ....This can be a long post. Everything from the use of natural resources, to land, to economic access, to discriminatory laws. Israel need only look to other fine international examples for land and resource stewardship over "indigenous" people...perhaps all that is lacking are "Secure Certificate of Palestinian Status" cards, like they have in Canada (four different types). 1 Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 9 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: The Arabs started this war and LOST. Losers do not get do-overs. Terrorists do not get their own countries. Unless they win. And if that's all it takes to get a country these days there'll be no end of contenders, especially without any apparent limit on how far back in time one can base a land claim. The Arabs merely lost a skirmish. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: The Arabs merely lost a skirmish. The Arabs lost all the "skirmishes", and Israel is always better prepared for the next one. 1 Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) On 1/26/2018 at 11:04 AM, GostHacked said: I was the victim, because I called you out on it and I got banned. And as for the other thing I simply asked a question, but each time I do, you go off on some fucking idiotic tangent childish rant. Question : Is East Jerusalem part of Israel? Answer : Ghost is an anti-semite. Grow up Rue You came on this board and deliberately equated the mutilation of a woman's vagina with the removal of foreskin and people saw your words and what you tried to do. That is why I told you to cut your dick off. You clearly had a misunderstanding as to what mutilating a vagina is, and I was trying to help you give you special remedial suggestions to help with your learning and comprehension difficulties. I find people like you who find basic concepts hard to understand sometimes helped with visual illustrations. Now as for your continuing difficulties, let's start with your ridiculous definition of Israel proper you refer to as "internationally recognized borders". The Arab League does not and has never recognized the "internationally recognized borders of Israel". Neither does Hamas, Hezbollah, the PA, Iran and the hundreds of Muslim terror cells of the Middle East. So referring to a concept the Arab world has rejected as being internationally recognized is laughable. Next what the phack is an internationally recognized border in the ME? YOf course not. Not a clue. Even if the UN said, the 1967 demarcation line prior to the 1967 war was the borders of Israel, it doesn't mean they are internationally recognized if every phacking country in the ME does not recognize them. Next please provide me the legal wording that defines Israel's borders. It doesn't exist because it never existed. A sovereign state's borders come about by: 1-mutual recognition through treaties that are voluntarily followed by the signors of the treaty; 2-uncontested and uninterupted use and occupation. The actual concept you think you refer to was called the 1949 Armistice Agreements. That series of armistice agreements never defined Israel's borders. All they did was show where the Arab armies ran away from when they gave up in 1949 of driving Jews in Palestine into the sea. ONLY Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan have been formally recognized and confirmed as part of the peace treaties with those countries-no other borders. Sopretending there are internationally recognized borders when the Arab League of nations the most significant portion of that international recognition will not recognize Israel is bullshit. There is NO international recognition as long as the Arab League does not recognize Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state. The issue isn't where its borders should be-it never has been with the Arab League of Hamas, Hezbollah, the PA-it's whether a Jewish state with ANY borders should exist. Israel proper my ass. Yes lets' deny history and pretend. Let's pretend that between 1949 and 1967 Jordan did not illegally seize the East of Jerusalem and enable the massacre of Jews, the destruction of Jewish synagogues, and the desecration of Jewish sites. Let's conveniently forget how Jordan soldiers would defecate and urinate in front of Jews on Jewish sacred sites and chip off sacred Jewish sites and sell them to tourists. Let's pretend the East of Jerusalem was not used as a launch post by the PLO to go into what Ghost calls "Israel Proper" over and over again killing Jews precisely because in the real world it never recognized any Jewish borders. Israel proper my ass. The PA's constitution and the Hamas constitution call for a holy Muslim war to rid the entire planet of Jews by starting with Israel. Edited January 27, 2018 by Rue 1
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Unless they win. And if that's all it takes to get a country these days there'll be no end of contenders, especially without any apparent limit on how far back in time one can base a land claim. The Arabs merely lost a skirmish. You're free to hope Israel gets destroyed and its citizens slaughtered. Me no care. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You're free to hope Israel gets destroyed and its citizens slaughtered. Me no care. Your uncle trump is watching over them, so they'll be fine and can invade to their hearts content. 1
DogOnPorch Posted January 27, 2018 Report Posted January 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Omni said: Your uncle trump is watching over them, so they'll be fine and can invade to their hearts content. Israel has never started any of the various wars. Your history is fake. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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