The Left invites terrorists into our home

[eyeball]

21 hours ago, Rue said:

 

I am not sure what planet you live in, but the fact people are quick to say they don't trust politicians does not believe they don't buy into their crap and believe it

I live on Earth as opposed to in it.

Those people who buy into the governments crap despite not believing it deserve the crappy government those of us who don't buy it get.  No government would suit me just fine if that's what it takes to give the people what they want.

[taxme]

On 8/28/2017 at 8:52 AM, Michael Hardner said:

You mean Trump ?  That's not germane to the thread, and anyway he won the electoral college even if he lost the popular vote.  This is about immigration policy.

Maybe he means Trudeau and all of the rest of our politically correct puppet on a string politicians that create so many programs and agendas that has cost the taxpayer's hundreds of billions of tax dollars every year that we the people never asked for and afford but instead we the people have been forced to accept. I don't see where any of those many programs and agendas that have been forced on we the people were of any great benefit to Canada or Canadians except for maybe the third world people from around the world that are coming here.  

Let's just say that I will take Trump over our feminist pro-Islamist PM Trudeau anytime. That guy will be a disaster for Canada if he is not booted out of office or resign. All roads lead back to Trudeau and his sorry band of liberal fools. Just saying. 

 

[taxme]

On 8/28/2017 at 8:53 AM, Argus said:

Immigration is one of those meta programs that the ordinary person rarely notices until things go wrong and make the newspapers. The national media puts little focus on it except to regurgitate government assurances of its justification and to occasionally show happy stories of smiling new Canadians grateful to be here. There is no analyses by media, much less government, of how much it costs, or what the purpose of immigration is, and the numbers of newcomers seem to be entirely decided for the political advantage of the party in power.

Has anyone in media ever mentioned the poor people waiting for public housing pushed aside by all these refugees? No. They never notice such things nor do Canadians in general. Do lower income Canadians understand that their wages are depressed due to the heavy inflow of low skilled foreign workers? Probably not. Do Canadians waiting endlessly to see a specialist have any notion that their wait might be shorter were it not for immigration? Unlikely. Do Canadians understand how much of their taxes are going to subsidize government services for immigrants, refugees and 'new Canadians' who are low skill and don't earn very much income - and thus pay no taxes? Most do not. And since the national media is so sympathetic to immigration, and almost all progressives, they're not about to bring any of that up.

Great post. You and I may disagree on a lot of things but dam I have to agree with what you just said. You hit it bang on on the nail. My hat is off to you, sir.  

[taxme]

On 8/28/2017 at 8:59 AM, Michael Hardner said:

As opposed to ?  Healthcare policy ?  Economic policy ?  Environmental policy ?  The justice system ?  I agree that the 'ordinary person' doesn't notice much, and in that we are victims of our own success.  We have stopped noticing operational effectiveness of government and become complacent.  The media uses politics as a driver of ratings, so prefers to cover strife and conflict.That's the bigger political problem.

 

1. Has anyone paid attention to public housing wait times ever ?  Or healthcare ?

2. Do lower income Canadians pay attention to economic policy, business legislation that impacts them ?  

3. Do Canadians pay attention to wait times anyway ?  Or healthcare costs ?

Unless you want to talk about the bigger problem, immigration is just a slice of the problem pie.  Lowering immigration would just push all of these problems off a few years.

 

1. Maybe if the liberal left wing media would pay more attention and inform Canadians more about the non-benefits of more immigration,  maybe then Canadians in need of certain services that are being denied to them because of massive immigration, they then would pay more attention, and would speak out. But when kept ignorant by the media they will learn and know nothing at all. That appears to be the objective of the pro liberal media party and our pro liberal immigration politically correct politicians. The media would much rather spend their time trying to look for someone who may have said something that would appear to be a racist comment or who was it that cut down that old growth tree or how many attended some tree planting ceremony. Meaningless news stories. 

2. Go back and read #1. 

3. Go back and Read #1 over again.

Immigration and multiculturalism and political correctness "IS" the bigger problem. Lowering immigration may solve the problems that we are having today. Hey, you never know. 

[WestCoastRunner]

24 minutes ago, taxme said:

Let's just say that I will take Trump over our feminist pro-Islamist PM Trudeau anytime. That guy will be a disaster for Canada if he is not booted out of office or resign. All roads lead back to Trudeau and his sorry band of liberal fools. Just saying. 

you talk as if having a feminist PM Is a bad thing?  Is it and why is it? 

[-TSS-]

20 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

you talk as if having a feminist PM Is a bad thing?  Is it and why is it? 

It is especially aggravating for a PM to be labelled as a feminist-PM if that PM is a male.

It seems that under Trudeau Canada is trying its best to outcuck Sweden, a mission formerly thought impossible.

Unfortunately, no western country these days is immune to the virus which causes them become cucklands.

[taxme]

46 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

you talk as if having a feminist PM Is a bad thing?  Is it and why is it? 

I think that it is ridiculous for a PM to come out and say hey look everyone I am a feminist PM. I didn't see the need for him to say that. It was a bad thing for me. Live with it. 

So, just what did he mean to say as to why he had to call himself a feminist PM?  Do you know why because I certainly don't see what the point was? Is he about to tell us all that he is a transgender person and he is now coming out of the closet? Just wondering.  

Edited August 29, 2017 by taxme

[WestCoastRunner]

28 minutes ago, taxme said:

I think that it is ridiculous for a PM to come out and say hey look everyone I am a feminist PM. I didn't see the need for him to say that. It was a bad thing for me. Live with it. 

So, just what did he mean to say as to why he had to call himself a feminist PM?  Do you know why because I certainly don't see what the point was? Is he about to tell us all that he is a transgender person and he is now coming out of the closet? Just wondering.  

Here's why:

Quote

Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau says he has no problem calling himself a feminist but that every time he mentions it, the “Twitterverse explodes”.

“I am going to keep saying loud and clear that I am a feminist until it is met with a shrug,” 

“Why, every time I say I’m a feminist, does the Twitterverse explode?” he asked, adding that calling for gender equality should be a mainstream political position.

The 44-year old Liberal leader said calling himself a feminist simply means “I believe in the equality of men and women.” But he said that whenever he makes the claim, he is asked about it by the media.

“Any world leaders who tell me ‘I’d love to, I just can’t do that with the current configuration of our parliament or of my party’, I say: ‘Well, what are you doing to change that configuration and draw out those extraordinary women who can be leaders that we need?’,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/17/justin-trudeau-feminist-twitter-explodes

 

[WestCoastRunner]

55 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

It is especially aggravating for a PM to be labelled as a feminist-PM if that PM is a male.

 

Can't men be feminists?

[Rue]

8 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Can't men be feminists?

Can men NOT be feminists?  Can whites not be oppressors? Can Muslims not be terrorists? Where do we go with this? You think Trudeau is a feminist because he surrounds himself with women? Is he enlightened because he has hired 5 gay cabinet ministers, an immigrant refugee as the Immigration Minister and a pro Hamas terrorist synpathizer as his Middle East advisor? Where you going? I have the distinct opinion Trudeau is far from a feminist, he just can't handle straight men in his cabinet unless they are visible minorities.

So whose opinion is more valid?  You think he is progressive? I think he's a passive aggressive, narcissist who plays the role of saviour-he started with saving his mother, now its Canada and everyone in it. Problem is he's no messiah. In his mind he is, and he needs to be seen as a saviour but he's no Messiah. With all children brought up having to save a parent, they breed a passive, repressed resentment for anyone weak they feel they have to protect. You will see that come out the moment his saviour routine is rejected by a specific group. Its already showing.

When aboriginals sat in a tent in Ottawa, he rushed to that tent, posed then came out not discussing their issues but talking all about himself being the first Prime Minister to go into a tend and talk to the Indians. It was all about Trudeau posing as Bwana to the savages. The veneer is thin. Very thin. It will blow off when visible minorities he thinks owe him, turn on him and turn on him they will-the pie in the sky utopia he presents to them as HIS Canada does not exist. The reality takes a year to 3 years to sink in before those who fell for it riot and engage in outward expressions of violence and frustration.

[-TSS-]

17 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Can't men be feminists?

Can women pee standing up?

[Rue]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

I live on Earth as opposed to in it.

Those people who buy into the governments crap despite not believing it deserve the crappy government those of us who don't buy it get.  No government would suit me just fine if that's what it takes to give the people what they want.

Do you. To start with you clearly did not understand what I wrote.

You first stated as a generalization that people do not trust government (politicians). My response to that was that people who claim not to trust politicians of course trust them-they are more than willing to buy into their crap again and again if that same lying politician(s) they say they don't trust, tells them what they want to hear and as an example I mentioned the Wynne re-election in Ontario. The women represented a government caught red handed lying and she was still voted back in.

When people buy into government, they BELIEVE something that was said otherwise they wouldn't vote for that government. The reality is and you missed the point, all citizens say they don't like or believe in their governments, but still vote for them.  Its what we do, bitch and complain and hate our governments and then when these same governments promise us something, bam we vote them back in. This is why Wynne as we speak in Ontario after jacking energy prices sky high because of her mismanagement now lies and pretends she's lowering prices on energy and its working surveys say people bought her advertising campaign that she lowered energy prices. The masses couldn't figure out energy costs went down this summer because of colder weather and that her carbon tax takes back anything she claims to have given back. Yes people are stupid.

Its what politics is about, manipulating through the media the message and that manipulation works and its not very difficult. Trump won an election simply based on engaging in the same kind of rhetoric Mussolini used. Mussolini would send spotters into the crowd, find out what was bothering people, then they'd report back, Mussolini would then scream out everything bothering everybody and promising to do something about it, and then off to the next village he went never doing anything and it worked.

Hitler controlled an entire nation based on rhetoric reinventing Germans as a super-people and they bought into it and these were supposedly the most civilized and cultured of all Europeans. Japan was a nation of Shintoism and Bhuddism, enlightened  disciplined methods of doing things and it too succumbed to the most basic of jingoistic messags.

History has taught us time and time again people buy into the message.  Just tell them what they want to hear and they snatch it up.

Here is the point. No one no matter how gullible they are deserve to be conned, robbed, abused, exploited. Good government should be measured by objective criteria as to positive deeds carried out and  conflicts resolved. None of us deserve political crap even though we ask for it.

[WestCoastRunner]

13 minutes ago, Rue said:

Can men NOT be feminists?  Can whites not be oppressors? Can Muslims not be terrorists? Where do we go with this? You think Trudeau is a feminist because he surrounds himself with women? Is he enlightened because he has hired 5 gay cabinet ministers, an immigrant refugee as the Immigration Minister and a pro Hamas terrorist synpathizer as his Middle East advisor? Where you going? I have the distinct opinion Trudeau is far from a feminist, he just can't handle straight men in his cabinet unless they are visible minorities.

So whose opinion is more valid?  You think he is progressive? I think he's a passive aggressive, narcissist who plays the role of saviour-he started with saving his mother, now its Canada and everyone in it. Problem is he's no messiah. In his mind he is, and he needs to be seen as a saviour but he's no Messiah. With all children brought up having to save a parent, they breed a passive, repressed resentment for anyone weak they feel they have to protect. You will see that come out the moment his saviour routine is rejected by a specific group. Its already showing.

When aboriginals sat in a tent in Ottawa, he rushed to that tent, posed then came out not discussing their issues but talking all about himself being the first Prime Minister to go into a tend and talk to the Indians. It was all about Trudeau posing as Bwana to the savages. The veneer is thin. Very thin. It will blow off when visible minorities he thinks owe him, turn on him and turn on him they will-the pie in the sky utopia he presents to them as HIS Canada does not exist. The reality takes a year to 3 years to sink in before those who fell for it riot and engage in outward expressions of violence and frustration.

I was addressing taxme getting all twisted out of shape. Your essay has nothing to do with my response to him. 

[WestCoastRunner]

9 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Can women pee standing up?

Typical response and not unexpected. 

Edited August 29, 2017 by WestCoastRunner

[Hydraboss]

33 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

The 44-year old Liberal leader said calling himself a feminist simply means “I believe in the equality of men and women.”

Equality?  That's SOOOOO 2015.  I thought progressives were all about "equity" because "equality" wasn't good enough??

[-TSS-]

10 minutes ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Typical response and not unexpected. 

We in Finland we have the social-democrats in the opposition and their leader is doing his best to convince the electorate that he is a male-feminist but for some reason people just don't buy his bollocks.

We have the Green Party at 18% just behind the Conservatives and the Greens are tipped to become  the biggest party on 2019 when the next election will take place.

I must say that walking in Helsinki and riding on the buses and the metro(btw I'm on holiday so I have time to do this) I have little doubt that the Greens may become the largest party in Finland. Namely, not only because of the multitude of foreign-looking people many of whom are certainly Finnish citizens but, more importantly, at least every 1/3 person of clearly Finnish background-looking people looked like some weird hipsters.

Ridiculous wimps who think that the food is in the shop and the electricity is in the plug. And those people's party may the largest party in our next election.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

1. Maybe if the liberal left wing media ...

2. Go back and read #1. 

3. Go back and Read #1 over again.

4. Immigration and multiculturalism and political correctness "IS" the bigger problem. Lowering immigration may solve the problems that we are having today. Hey, you never know. 

1. You have already advised the sensible people on this board that you follow crackpot extremist sites that appeal to a narrow margin of one side of the political spectrum.  I read stories from the National Post and Globe and Mail - and if they print something, then a wide swath of Canadians pay attention.   Politics means engaging and discussion based on agreed-upon facts, which your sources won't/can't provide.

2. Ok.  Read my #1.

3. Got it, read my #1 also.

4. Actually, I addressed this.  Reducing population/growth would improve system load in the short term, but in a few years we would be back at capacity and our public would still be ignorant about how to get changes though, mostly because they pay too much attention to the type of issues you mention: "multiculturalism".  It's an identity fight with no winning possible: just state your case on that and move on.  The important discussions on services aren't happening.

[eyeball]

46 minutes ago, Rue said:

My response to that was that people who claim not to trust politicians of course trust them-

Well, that's just plain silly.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, -TSS- said:

It is especially aggravating for a PM to be labelled as a feminist-PM if that PM is a male.

It seems that under Trudeau Canada is trying its best to outcuck Sweden, a mission formerly thought impossible.

Unfortunately, no western country these days is immune to the virus which causes them become cucklands.

I think you're from another country but will you use some English words that mean something ?  "Cuck" means someone who let's a stranger have sex with his wife.  Do you have proof that Trudeau is doing that with Sofie ?

If you don't believe in women's equality then start a new thread on why they should be denied the vote or whatever, thanks.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

Can women pee standing up?

Can you answer a question ?

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Hydraboss said:

Equality?  That's SOOOOO 2015.  I thought progressives were all about "equity" because "equality" wasn't good enough??

I haven't heard that... I think most people have heard of 'equality' but not social 'equity' whatever it is.

[Michael Hardner]

58 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

We in Finland we have the social-democrats in the opposition and their leader is doing his best to convince the electorate that he is a male-feminist but for some reason people just don't buy his bollocks.

We have the Green Party at 18% just behind the Conservatives and the Greens are tipped to become  the biggest party on 2019 when the next election will take place.

I must say that walking in Helsinki and riding on the buses and the metro(btw I'm on holiday so I have time to do this) I have little doubt that the Greens may become the largest party in Finland. Namely, not only because of the multitude of foreign-looking people many of whom are certainly Finnish citizens but, more importantly, at least every 1/3 person of clearly Finnish background-looking people looked like some weird hipsters.

Ridiculous wimps who think that the food is in the shop and the electricity is in the plug. And those people's party may the largest party in our next election.

This is fantastic news but relevant to the thread how exactly ?  I think you should start a thread called "riding the bus in Helsinki" and go from there.  If you try to move to Canada you will have to face screening questions, just so you know.  Why you are trying to compare your experience with weird hipsters to ours is not clear.

[-TSS-]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Can you answer a question ?

I think the original question you refer to was an earlier poster asking can't men be feminists.

Yes they can and look what it has got them into.

 

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

Yes they can and look what it has got them into.

There you go, not so hard to engage is it now ?  You should start a thread with your proposals on reducing women's rights, that would be a good one.  Unless feminism is germane to this thread, that is.

Edited August 29, 2017 by Michael Hardner

[-TSS-]

Look sir, with all respect, you are really putting a lot of doubt on the idea that you are a fair-minded and neutral moderator.

As I understand the post which started this was WestCoastRunners  question can't men be feminists to which I responded admittedly childish but innocent but since then it would have gone away but for some reason you wanted to bring it back to the discussion.