GostHacked Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 If Trump is the worst, I hope it can only get better from here. Because if the USA gets someone even worse, I don't see a peaceful resolution to all of this. I still think it's a matter of divide and conquer on the national scale. The more we fight among ourselves, the more crap the-powers-that-be, get a way with it all. It keeps us distracted from what they are doing. Who could be worse than Trump? My vote is on no one. Even if Hillary is still alive for the next election, she'd have a really good chance of winning. So, I don't know what to make of it all, with recent events with the statues, it's a really weird turn of events and Trumps reactions have not received any confidence from the public.
Michael Hardner Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 12 minutes ago, GostHacked said: If Trump is the worst, I hope it can only get better from here. Because if the USA gets someone even worse, I don't see a peaceful resolution to all of this. Well, the presidency itself could get better too. As an outsider, he has the advantage of bringing independent ideas into play. Or he could continue as a lame duck. Bad presidents are often followed by great ones too. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Hal 9000 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: The sax was cool. Did I mention 9/11 was a Clinton caused incident. Imagine where we , not the USA, but all of us be had Clinton allowed his military to kill bin Laden in the mid 90's? And, where would we be if Clinton hadn't decided that intelligence on the ground in foreign nations was no longer required after the end of the cold war? Yeah, there are many decisions that Clinton made (or didn't make), that have had extreme and negative life changing effects to people all over the world. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Did I mention 9/11 was a Clinton caused incident care to explain that little gem, or are you headed down the hotenough road?
Hal 9000 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Omni said: care to explain that little gem, or are you headed down the hotenough road? No, I would but it's pretty obvious. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 Just now, Hal 9000 said: No, I would but it's pretty obvious. 'Clinton caused"? or did I miss something
Hal 9000 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 42 minutes ago, Omni said: 'Clinton caused"? or did I miss something Oh, you're definitely missing something. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Oh, you're definitely missing something. So enlighten us with your idea as to how 9-11 was "Clinton caused" The rest of us will get the popcorn.
Hal 9000 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, Omni said: So enlighten us with your idea as to how 9-11 was "Clinton caused" The rest of us will get the popcorn. Why don't you F-O and troll someone else...troll! The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Why don't you F-O and troll someone else...troll! Attaboy.
Hal 9000 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 20 minutes ago, Omni said: Attaboy. Well, seriously! Do you not know the story of binLaden and Clinton? The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Omni Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Well, seriously! Do you not know the story of binLaden and Clinton? I'd love to hear your version.
Cum Laude Posted August 22, 2017 Report Posted August 22, 2017 16 hours ago, Omni said: I'd love to hear your version. Who, me? I don’t want to cure something that isn’t a disease. People can do what they want, with whomever they want, in America. It’s none of the MSM’s business, and it is certainly none of the government’s business. BTW, the US government, not only under Obama as well, but ESPECIALLY under Obama, could not care less about what happens to people in our inner city neighborhoods, no matter what their color.
-TSS- Posted September 25, 2017 Report Posted September 25, 2017 I think the two-term limit is a splendid rule. However, it only works in a presidential system like that of the USA. It would simply be too impractical in parliamentary democracy. However, the majesty of the two-term rule came to my mind as Merkel was elected to her fourth term in office. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't there prior to Roosevelt some sort of unwritten rule of two terms only for one President? Roosevelt has been the only President to be elected for more than two terms and after him the rule was included in the Constitution.
H10 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 I thought Franklin Pierce was widely acknowledged as the worse president mainly because he bowed down to sedeistionis terrorist who wanted to destroy America and set the background for whimping out to the confederates early on, allowing them to amass weapons and power to set the stage for a future civil war. But Trump will probably rank as the worse president of the 20th and 21st century mainly because he is a grossly ineffective leader. Never mind the policies and rhetoric, Trump's best asset is conning naive poor and ignorant bigoted white voters that he is as racist as they are so they should vote for him. He is quiet bad at politics, I mean he struggled against Hilary Clinton who is widely perceived as the worse candidate the democrats have run in a really long time. That being said, Trump is a bad president because he degrades the office but more importantly he is ineffective, ineffective with his own party, ineffective at pushing through any of his agenda, ineffective at turning any of his ideas into laws, ineffective at working across the aisle or building political alliances, ineffective even within his own administration, he is constantly firing his own members of staff and cabinet. He makes threats, but the countries he is threatening do not even take him seriously so he has substantially degraded the office of the presidency, not even talking about all the lies. Prior to Trump there was just fears that North Korea could one day hit America, hypothetically with a nuclear weapon, under Trump its not a fear, you have the leader of North Korea threatening to do that. TTrump has managed to undo the Iran deal, and he is basically going to turn America into a failed state.
H10 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 On 8/21/2017 at 9:27 PM, GostHacked said: If Trump is the worst, I hope it can only get better from here. Because if the USA gets someone even worse, I don't see a peaceful resolution to all of this. I still think it's a matter of divide and conquer on the national scale. The more we fight among ourselves, the more crap the-powers-that-be, get a way with it all. It keeps us distracted from what they are doing. Who could be worse than Trump? My vote is on no one. Even if Hillary is still alive for the next election, she'd have a really good chance of winning. So, I don't know what to make of it all, with recent events with the statues, it's a really weird turn of events and Trumps reactions have not received any confidence from the public. Hilary is a candidate who can literally not win a national election, a ham sandwich would beat her. She is terrible at campaigning, dislikes her base voters
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, H10 said: ....TTrump has managed to undo the Iran deal, and he is basically going to turn America into a failed state. A common refrain regardless of who is president. Foreign nationals have been predicting the collapse of the USA for over 50 years. Economics trumps Virtue.
H10 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: A common refrain regardless of who is president. Foreign nationals have been predicting the collapse of the USA for over 50 years. Well this is frequently used as rhetoric, with Trump, it is not rhetoric, he really is destroying the country. I don't think that America will just collapse overnight, more like slowly collapse, they will not recover, a slow decline, then death.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 6 minutes ago, H10 said: Well this is frequently used as rhetoric, with Trump, it is not rhetoric, he really is destroying the country. I don't think that America will just collapse overnight, more like slowly collapse, they will not recover, a slow decline, then death. OK, but actual American history is a lot more dynamic and scarier than Donald Trump, who is just another U.S. president. The long predicted end and "Death to America" has actually resulted in more U.S. economic and cultural hegemony around the world. The United States thrives on competition and conflict, and is not satisfied with unremarkable "peace, order, and good government". Economics trumps Virtue.
H10 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 51 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: OK, but actual American history is a lot more dynamic and scarier than Donald Trump, who is just another U.S. president. The long predicted end and "Death to America" has actually resulted in more U.S. economic and cultural hegemony around the world. The United States thrives on competition and conflict, and is not satisfied with unremarkable "peace, order, and good government". Such as? I can't think of a worse president. Bush was incompetent but nothing as dangerous as Trump. What economic hegemony, the USA has fallen from 60% of the world's economy who was 70% of consumption down to 18% of the global economy and a much smaller share of consumption.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, H10 said: Such as? I can't think of a worse president. Bush was incompetent but nothing as dangerous as Trump. What economic hegemony, the USA has fallen from 60% of the world's economy who was 70% of consumption down to 18% of the global economy and a much smaller share of consumption. Buchanan, Harding, Pierce, Grant, Johnson, Tyler, Carter, and others...there is no shortage of contenders. Just because Trump is in the present, this does not negate the long and well documented shortcomings of many prior presidents. The U.S. has succeeded despite many domestic and foreign challenges and failures, and is not solely dependent on who is president. As for economy and consumption, the U.S. is only 5% of world population. More legal and illegal immigrants have chosen the U.S. over any other country in the world....by far. Canadians wake each day to hear the value of the loonie in...U.S. dollars. NHL players are paid in...U.S. dollars. Edited October 10, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
H10 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Buchanan, Harding, Pierce, Grant, Johnson, Tyler, Carter, and others...there is no shortage of contenders. Just because Trump is in the present, this does not negate the long and well documented shortcomings of many prior presidents. The U.S. has succeeded despite many domestic and foreign challenges and failures, and is not solely dependent on who is president. As for economy and consumption, the U.S. is only 5% of world population. More legal and illegal immigrants have chosen the U.S. over any other country in the world....by far. Canadians wake each day to hear the value of the loonie in...U.S. dollars. NHL players are paid in...U.S. dollars. Carter wasn't a bad president, but Reagan, who was an actor, was very good at demonizing him and vilifying him as weak, when it was actually Reagan who ran from terrorist. I do agree the president isn't the sole factor, but this is a Republican congress, and senate with a large number of reich wing extremist. Trump is not reading the intelligence, it is very bad, disaster is ahead. Hopefully the Republicans around him can reign him in and prevent him from doing too much damage.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, H10 said: Carter wasn't a bad president, but Reagan, who was an actor, was very good at demonizing him and vilifying him as weak, when it was actually Reagan who ran from terrorist. I do agree the president isn't the sole factor, but this is a Republican congress, and senate with a large number of reich wing extremist. Trump is not reading the intelligence, it is very bad, disaster is ahead. Hopefully the Republicans around him can reign him in and prevent him from doing too much damage. Carter was a very bad president for many Americans.....very miserable economic and foreign policy record...Reagan destroyed him in the 1980 election because of this. The United States perseveres because it was born and thrived from adversity, regardless of who the president was or what he did. Disasters ahead ? So what....just add them to the long list of disasters that have occurred long before Trump came along. Economics trumps Virtue.
H10 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Posted October 11, 2017 20 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Carter was a very bad president for many Americans.....very miserable economic and foreign policy record...Reagan destroyed him in the 1980 election because of this. The United States perseveres because it was born and thrived from adversity, regardless of who the president was or what he did. Disasters ahead ? So what....just add them to the long list of disasters that have occurred long before Trump came along. Are you forgetting the American economy was in a malaise since the days of Nixon and stagflation? This is precisely what I am talking about, the right wing was very successful at demonizing Carter, but they cannot actually point to anything he did wrong. He inherited a terrible economy, that economist didn't know how to fix that had been ongoing since the days before him. Reagan won because he was an actor, a governor of california, who was charismatic and Americans often prefer style over substance. Carter had alot of issues in his own party, but they stem from him trying to be more transparent which most politicians HATE.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 11, 2017 Report Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, H10 said: Are you forgetting the American economy was in a malaise since the days of Nixon and stagflation? No...I actually lived through that period of inept Jimmy Carter policies and long gas lines. Presidents are not elected to whine about the malaise they inherit. The U.S. is still dealing with President Carter's few successes and far greater number of domestic and foreign policy failures. He makes many others' "10 Worst Presidents" lists, regardless of political bias. Carter was a nice guy who never should have been been president as the job overwhelmed him and his naive faith in mankind. Edited October 11, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
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