Compensating Khadr

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

While I disagree with some of your opinions, I do agree that there needs to be some kind of plan for dealing with child soldiers.  As your article points out - the numbers being recruited into Islamic extremism are growing.  This is going to happen again.

We can't turn them loose.

And we can't keep paying them 10 million every time they get caught.

I do agree that Khadr may not have had much choice is following his father at first....but at some point, a point before he was captured, he became a most willing participant and has not renounced his ties to Al Quaeda or to his wack-job family, to this day.

Have you renounced your support for western governments that insist on molesting other countries?

That's really the only effective way to prevent future terrorists.

If you're not part of the solution....

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Have you renounced your support for western governments that insist on molesting other countries?

That's really the only effective way to prevent future terrorists.

 

Nope....terrorists come in many flavours, including totally home grown domestic terrorists.

[Hudson Jones]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

Because I have seen children first hand taken by terrorists and indoctrinated at 6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17 and make the decision to stop what they are doing.

Because I have seen the courage of children say no to terrorists and I have seen mothers say no to terrorists.

Because  I have seen people dying rather than go along with terrorists.

Because I have witnessed the worst in people and have seen in that darkness a light of hope come about of it.

Because I do not and will never allow people like you to make excuses for the moral failure of terrorism.

Because I have seen children walk away from their abusers.

Because if an abused child goes on to be an abuser making excuses for his abuse  will only  empower him to commit more violence and abuse.

Because I have worked first hand with the abused and no the only way to break the cycle of violence is to never make excuses for it.

Because violence and.or terrorism have no excuses, ever0the moment you excuse-you condone.

Because your reasoning, your excuses has forced men far better than me as well as myself get blood on our hands we can never wash out.

Until you want to join me cleaning toilets do yourself a favour and stop asking questions you don't want answers for.

Sure. I guess we can all claim anything we want on here.

I realize you have a response to every comment. It doesn't make what you say, correct.

I don't have the patience to sit here and take apart your comments. This is torture and what you're trying to excuse, against a 15 year old:

While he was at Guantanamo, Omar was beaten in the head, nearly suffocated, threatened with having his clothes taken indefinitely and, as at Bagram, lunged at by attack dogs while wearing a bag over his head. “Your life is in my hands,” an intelligence officer told him during an interrogation in the spring of 2003. During the questioning, Omar gave an answer the interrogator did not like. He spat in Omar’s face, tore out some of his hair and threatened to send him to Israel, Egypt, Jordan or Syria — places where they tortured people without constraints: very slowly, analytically removing body parts. The Egyptians, the interrogator told Omar, would hand him to Askri raqm tisa — Soldier Number Nine. Soldier Number Nine, the interrogator explained, was a guard who specialized in raping prisoners.

Omar’s chair was removed. Because his hands and ankles were shackled, he fell to the floor. His interrogator told him to get up. Standing up was hard, because he could not use his hands. When he did, his interrogator told him to sit down again. When he sat, the interrogator told him to stand again. He refused. The interrogator called two guards into the room, who grabbed Omar by the neck and arms, lifted him into the air and dropped him onto the floor. The interrogator told them to do it again — and again and again and again. Then he said he was locking Omar’s case file in a safe: Omar would spend the rest of his life in a cell at Guantanamo Bay.

Several weeks later, a man who claimed to be Afghan interrogated Omar. He wore an American flag on his uniform pants. He said his name was Izmarai — “lion” — and he spoke in Farsi and occasionally in Pashto and English. Izmarai said a new prison was under construction in Afghanistan for uncooperative Guantanamo detainees. “In Afghanistan,” Izmarai said, “they like small boys.” He pulled out a photograph of Omar and wrote on it, in Pashto, “This detainee must be transferred to Bagram.”

Whether we want to described him as a "terrorist" or a "child soldier," he was and is a Canadian citizen with rights. And, as determined by no less than the Supreme Court of Canada, the Canadian government was complicit in the violation of those rights.

 

[Omni]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Nope....terrorists come in many flavours, including totally home grown domestic terrorists.

Stop engaging in foreign wars and you may find you only have to deal with your home grown variety of terrorist.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Stop engaging in foreign wars and you may find you only have to deal with your home grown variety of terrorist.

 

Nope....we would still have to deal with all the terrorists from Canada.

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Nope....we would still have to deal with all the terrorists from Canada.

Only if you start bombing us. Then we'll be down to see ya.

[Rue]

1 hour ago, Hudson Jones said:

Sure. I guess we can all claim anything we want on here.

I realize you have a response to every comment. It doesn't make what you say, correct.

I don't have the patience to sit here and take apart your comments. This is torture and what you're trying to excuse, against a 15 year old:

While he was at Guantanamo, Omar was beaten in the head, nearly suffocated, threatened with having his clothes taken indefinitely and, as at Bagram, lunged at by attack dogs while wearing a bag over his head. “Your life is in my hands,” an intelligence officer told him during an interrogation in the spring of 2003. During the questioning, Omar gave an answer the interrogator did not like. He spat in Omar’s face, tore out some of his hair and threatened to send him to Israel, Egypt, Jordan or Syria — places where they tortured people without constraints: very slowly, analytically removing body parts. The Egyptians, the interrogator told Omar, would hand him to Askri raqm tisa — Soldier Number Nine. Soldier Number Nine, the interrogator explained, was a guard who specialized in raping prisoners.

Omar’s chair was removed. Because his hands and ankles were shackled, he fell to the floor. His interrogator told him to get up. Standing up was hard, because he could not use his hands. When he did, his interrogator told him to sit down again. When he sat, the interrogator told him to stand again. He refused. The interrogator called two guards into the room, who grabbed Omar by the neck and arms, lifted him into the air and dropped him onto the floor. The interrogator told them to do it again — and again and again and again. Then he said he was locking Omar’s case file in a safe: Omar would spend the rest of his life in a cell at Guantanamo Bay.

Several weeks later, a man who claimed to be Afghan interrogated Omar. He wore an American flag on his uniform pants. He said his name was Izmarai — “lion” — and he spoke in Farsi and occasionally in Pashto and English. Izmarai said a new prison was under construction in Afghanistan for uncooperative Guantanamo detainees. “In Afghanistan,” Izmarai said, “they like small boys.” He pulled out a photograph of Omar and wrote on it, in Pashto, “This detainee must be transferred to Bagram.”

Whether we want to described him as a "terrorist" or a "child soldier," he was and is a Canadian citizen with rights. And, as determined by no less than the Supreme Court of Canada, the Canadian government was complicit in the violation of those rights.

 

For someone who doesn't have the patience to sit and take apart my comments you don't have any problems spewing the crap and utter crap it is fabricated fantasy. What's the matter why do you hide where you quote your crap from? Lol.What a joke.

Edited July 19, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

56 minutes ago, Omni said:

Only if you start bombing us. Then we'll be down to see ya.

When you engage in your asinine comments they don't sound any more credible using the term "we". You down to see anyone? You? You'd pass out at the first sight of a shadow. Tough guy. You really are a joke with the macho posing and in the next breath supporting terrorists and spineless moral cowards like Trudeau.

Yah bring Hudson an Eye with you. That'll terroririze them.

 

[Omni]

1 minute ago, Rue said:

When you engage in your asinine comments they don't sound any more credible using the term "we". You down to see anyone? You? You'd pass out at the first sight of a shadow. Tough guy. You really are a joke with the macho posing and in the next breath supporting terrorists and spineless moral cowards like Trudeau.

Yah bring Hudson an Eye with you. That'll terroririze them.

 

Could you possibly reword your comments so as to be  understandable. 

[hot enough]

7 hours ago, Goddess said:

When you say something scholarly, I'll respond scholarly.

That's a good 'un, Goddess. 

[bush_cheney2004]

4 hours ago, Omni said:

Only if you start bombing us. Then we'll be down to see ya.

 

Nope....the Canadian based terrorists come to the U.S. anyway, and not just for better cross-border shopping.

Ahmed Ressam (Millennium Bomber) and more recently Amor M. Ftouhi (Flint Michigan) have their own reasons for screaming "Alahu Akbar" while committing terrorist acts in the USA.

This Omar Khadr terrorist decided to attack Americans in Afghanistan instead.

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Nope....the Canadian based terrorists come to the U.S. anyway, and not just for better cross-border shopping.

Ahmed Ressam (Millennium Bomber) and more recently Amor M. Ftouhi (Flint Michigan) have their own reasons for screaming "Alahu Akbar" while committing terrorist acts in the USA.

This Omar Khadr terrorist decided to attack Americans in Afghanistan instead.

And how did that war in Afghanistan work out for you boys after all? Be careful what you try to say because I was there, I doubt you were.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Omni said:

And how did that war in Afghanistan work out for you boys after all? Be careful what you try to say because I was there, I doubt you were.

 

Sure you were....a war hero no doubt forced to watch Fox News on the American air base.  

Please keep the Canadian terrorists like Khadr & family in Canada.

[Omni]

18 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Sure you were....a war hero no doubt forced to watch Fox News on the American air base.  

Please keep the Canadian terrorists like Khadr & family in Canada.

I will if you agree to keep American warmongers at home and find a better way to feed the military industrial complex. 

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, Omni said:

I will if you agree to keep American warmongers at home and find a better way to feed the military industrial complex. 

 

No, because then you would complain that the U.S. is isolationist and not spending enough money to keep Canada in business or tow your broken ships back to port.

Omar Khadr and family are a case study in Canada based/sponsored terrorism, so please keep it in Canada.  

Trudeau can pay the terrorists all the millions he wants if that gets him more votes, but I doubt it will work.

[Omni]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No, because then you would complain that the U.S. is isolationist and not spending enough money to keep Canada in business or tow your broken ships back to port.

Omar Khadr and family are a case study in Canada based/sponsored terrorism, so please keep it in Canada.  

Trudeau can pay the terrorists all the millions he wants if that gets him more votes, but I doubt it will work.

How many votes do you think Khadr can cast? And the rest of your post is as flimsy as usual.

[drummindiver]

13 hours ago, Omni said:

Well maybe you should take that up with the UNHRC or the Geneva conventions. Your situation is one of your own making so it's a bit silly to try to conflate it with what happened to a child soldier in an illegal prison.

Lol....its a bit silly to say changing rooms is torture. Seriously, get a grip. There was no torture of inmate murderer/terrorist Khadr.

[Rue]

9 hours ago, Omni said:

Could you possibly reword your comments so as to be  understandable. 

Sure. You lied. You came on this board and claimed the LAW states that the doctrine of clean hands does not apply once a violation of the Charter is found. Now you are caught with no law, no cases, just you making the  unsourced subjective statement that Trudeau "did not have to" make a legal reference as to the doctrine of clean hands. He "did not have to", not based on the law but on your whim and his. and you adapted this snot poser position of lecturing people on the legal issues.

Now you again pretend you can't understand me, What "we" don't understand? Save it Omni. You are a poser. You pose.Save it for the dance floor and your dancers.

The Kadr shuffle. Right.

Let me know when you have finished "going down" on the U.S.

 

 

Edited July 19, 2017 by Rue

[Rue]

19 minutes ago, drummindiver said:

Lol....its a bit silly to say changing rooms is torture. Seriously, get a grip. There was no torture of inmate murderer/terrorist Khadr.

Sure there was I will just put some letters in bold and presto there was torture.

[Rue]

5 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No, because then you would complain that the U.S. is isolationist and not spending enough money to keep Canada in business or tow your broken ships back to port.

Omar Khadr and family are a case study in Canada based/sponsored terrorism, so please keep it in Canada.  

Trudeau can pay the terrorists all the millions he wants if that gets him more votes, but I doubt it will work.

Arar is too. We give citizenship not just funding to terrorists. Please do not forget the medicare we give them. I tell you this with no hesitation, most Canadians know this is dead wrong and we are making it known. Things like this can't get swept under the rug. Trudeau that this would go away after a brief period of anger. I hope this bites his ass like a Great White. His being a surfer boy was due for a fall. His arrogance, his presumptuousness, its gonna bite his ass come next election. People won't forget. This nation was n ot built by prissy elitist silver spoon trust fund babies who think the world's problems go away when you give someone money.

The throwing money out to avoid dealing with issues is what he does whether it be completely out of control government spending or paying off Kadr-its leadership by moral cowardice, leadership by bribery.

 

[Rue]

8 hours ago, hot enough said:

That's a good 'un, Goddess. 

Explain to Omni and Eye and yourself what "un" means. I know the three of you have a thing about such things.

[jacee]

15 hours ago, Goddess said:

Yes, I get that Canada didn't do enough to get him out of Gitmo.  I get that he's not being paid an inordinate amount of money "for" being a terrorist.

But he IS a terrorist.  Who was caught red-handed.  Sorry, but I really don't care about the rights of terrorists as much as you do.

And you have no idea if my opinion isn't true.  He had many opportunities to quit being a terrorist, to surrender, to not be there in the first place (he didn't want to be left behind with the women).  He chose to continue.  I still say that at some point prior to being captured, he ceased being a "child" soldier and willingly became a terrorist.

 

HE WAS 10!

 

Edited July 19, 2017 by jacee

[jacee]

6 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Sure you were....a war hero no doubt forced to watch Fox News on the American air base.  

Please keep the Canadian terrorists like Khadr & family in Canada.

What did the US do with the 99 US citizens captured among the 'terrorists'.

I'll bet you put them right back to work being 'terrorists' in your fake wars-for-profit.

Edited July 19, 2017 by jacee

[jacee]

14 hours ago, Goddess said:

Can you read?  Or just can't read very well?

I said, "We, as a global community....."

Are you seriously denying that Islamic terrorism is a problem in the world?  Is it because you don't know how to read very well?

US terrorism is the problem.

[Rue]

13 hours ago, The_Squid said:

what a bunch of nonsense.

I would love to take you for an hour to some of the cells I have been in and have someone set you straight but I can't. Hiding behind this forum to sound tough is pathetic. I speak of abused children who have looked their abusers in the face and walked away without anger. When you witness that you never forget it Squid, ever. Its the most raw and intense proof of the hope in all humans to overcome their darkness. When you witness it you don't forget it. Its the only way I know how to define God as some call it and its these people who taught me violence, terrorism is never a choice, ever.

Yah you would ridicule it. I expect that. Its been my utter privilege to have witnessed it, I will never forget it, and its why I find people like you who hide behind Forum names and make excuses for terrorists totally void of any moral compass. You are far more dangerous in one sense than terrorists. Terrorists can't exist without complacent people like you empowering them. This is not about me-this is about terrorists and if you don't want to distinguish them from other victims and put them all on the same moral plane, I am here to call your belief  idiotic and contemptable for doing that. If you think Kadr belongs in the same hospital room or funderal of  the person he tried to kill you  need a real wake up call and from the sounds of your contempt for any perspective other than your own it aint happening. By the way if and when some therapist or skilled healer could get Kadr in a room with the people he hurt, it won't be because of people like you empowering him to think of himself s a victim-it will come from him learning what he did was wrong. That won't happen. He has shown vividly that he has contempt for the widow of the soldier he killed, openly and loudly to the press. He's shown contempt for his own Muslim religion's lessons that say pay his compensation to the widow.

 

Edited July 19, 2017 by Rue