capricorn Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, The_Squid said: Did Harper ever do anything about the family? Chretien sure did. Khadr's father, a friend of Bin Laden, was in a Pakistan prison hospital after being shot in a firefight. Chretien intervened and the jihadist father was released. He promptly came back to Canada for treatment of his wounds. Once he recovered he then resumed working for Al Qaeda. It's no wonder the Liberals are doing their utmost to protect their dear former PM from having to testify in court. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Goddess Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 11 minutes ago, The_Squid said: What the family did to Omar was despicable Omar made his choice, as well. He did not come running out out of the compound saying, "Help Me! I'm a Canadian citizen being forced to do this and I want to go home!" He did not surrender when given multiple opportunities. As a terrorist, charged with making and planting IEDs to fight Western culture, he chose to make and plant them. Imagine if he had told the Americans "I was supposed to make and plant IEDs, but I just pretended to do it and made sure they were all inoperable." He didn't do that. To this day, he fully supports his family and the choices they made together. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 36 minutes ago, The_Squid said: So, I guess what you're saying is that we should use their rules and not ours? Not at all. I'm saying THEY chose to not use our rules. None of them should be shielded from the consequences of that choice. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
betsy Posted July 13, 2017 Author Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) Quote 16 minutes ago, The_Squid said: What the family did to Omar was despicable What the family did to ALL THEIR CHILDREN, was despicable! Read the article in the OP! You should ask Chretien why the heck he intervened for Omar's father when He (father) got captured committing terrorist act - and why the heck did the Khadr children not taken away from their parents! Chretien used his position and aided a monster, wouldn't you agree? So many Canadian couples lose their children for far less reason. Edited July 13, 2017 by betsy Quote
Goddess Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, betsy said: and why the heck did the Khadr children not taken away from their parents! Do you really think the apologists would have gone along with Muslim children being taken away from Muslim parents? Chretien probably didn't want to be labelled a racist and an Islamophobe at the time. This is why the ones who screech about Islamophobia are the ones who are truly helping terrorists. Edited July 13, 2017 by Goddess 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Spiderfish Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Spiderfish said: I have given you plenty of direction and opportunity to lead you to the facts that would show you that you are completely wrong on this point. Could you provide anything at all that would substantiate your claim? 51 minutes ago, Omni said: You're certainly not .... So...no cite then. Kinda figured. Quote
Omni Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, Spiderfish said: So...no cite then. Kinda figured. Here's one. There are tons. https://www.aclu.org/news/supreme-court-says-guantanamo-bay-military-commissions-are-unconstitutional-aclu-calls-decision 1 Quote
jacee Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 48 minutes ago, capricorn said: Says the serial poster who proclaimed 9 or 10 pages ago that this discussion was going around in circles. No the lawsuit will not be moot. Mind you, I'm impressed with your ability to foresee the legal actions of professional lawyers. Ridiculous. If he isn't guilty, she can't sue him successfully. Edited July 13, 2017 by jacee Quote
jacee Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 24 minutes ago, Goddess said: Omar made his choice, as well. He did not come running out out of the compound saying, "Help Me! I'm a Canadian citizen being forced to do this and I want to go home!" He did not surrender when given multiple opportunities. As a terrorist, charged with making and planting IEDs to fight Western culture, he chose to make and plant them. Imagine if he had told the Americans "I was supposed to make and plant IEDs, but I just pretended to do it and made sure they were all inoperable." He didn't do that. To this day, he fully supports his family and the choices they made together. What a big load of hooey. Kids are kids. They do what parents tell them. To do any of what you suggest he 'should' would have been a death sentence for him. No normal person expects a kid to do that. And your last line is pure fiction. Quote
jacee Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Goddess said: Do you really think the apologists would have gone along with Muslim children being taken away from Muslim parents? Chretien probably didn't want to be labelled a racist and an Islamophobe at the time. This is why the ones who screech about Islamophobia are the ones who are truly helping terrorists. The more Islamophobia, the more disaffection from society, the more radicalization, the happier the extremists are. The question of why the feds didn't intervene with the kids once they suspected pere Khadr was AlQuaeda is more interesting. I'm not really aware of the timing on that. However, I would suspect that the feds might have him under surveillance, and they wouldn't want to blow their cover by intervening with the kids. Sad to say. Edited July 13, 2017 by jacee Quote
Spiderfish Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 16 minutes ago, Omni said: Here's one. There are tons. https://www.aclu.org/news/supreme-court-says-guantanamo-bay-military-commissions-are-unconstitutional-aclu-calls-decision Man, you are thick. This ruling is before October 2006 when the Government brought in the Military Commissions Act. You have been explained this no less than 3 times so far and you still can't seem to grasp it. Keep trying though. Quote
Omni Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 1 minute ago, Spiderfish said: Man, you are thick. This ruling is before October 2006 when the Government brought in the Military Commissions Act. You have been explained this no less than 3 times so far and you still can't seem to grasp it. Keep trying though. The ruling destroyed the credibility of the commission. Seems pretty obvious to most of us. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 41 minutes ago, Goddess said: Omar made his choice, as well. He did not come running out out of the compound saying, "Help Me! I'm a Canadian citizen being forced to do this and I want to go home!" He did not surrender when given multiple opportunities. As a terrorist, charged with making and planting IEDs to fight Western culture, he chose to make and plant them. Imagine if he had told the Americans "I was supposed to make and plant IEDs, but I just pretended to do it and made sure they were all inoperable." He didn't do that. To this day, he fully supports his family and the choices they made together. That scenario is highly unlikely for a 15 year old. Does he fully support AQ now? I don't know. BTW the family are an extenuating factor, not an aggravating one. I see them often brought up as making his guilt worse which is not the case in our system. 1 Quote
Spiderfish Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 Just now, Omni said: The ruling destroyed the credibility of the commission. Seems pretty obvious to most of us. Khadr's case was heard after the ruling, under a new commission. You're either being intentionally disingenuous, or hopelessly obtuse. Quote
Omni Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: I see them often brought up as making his guilt worse which is not the case in our system. Yes I agree I have heard that flimsy argument so often on here. Good on ya for pointing it out but of course it will have little impact on the converted. 1 Quote
Omni Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Spiderfish said: Khadr's case was heard after the ruling, under a new commission. You're either being intentionally disingenuous, or hopelessly obtuse. I'm just showing you the facts. Khadr was awarded compensation for his illegal incarceration, and he will be able to keep it. Sorry if you don't like it. Quote
Spiderfish Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Omni said: I'm just showing you the facts. Khadr was awarded compensation for his illegal incarceration, and he will be able to keep it. Sorry if you don't like it. No he wasn't, he was awarded compensation because CSIS and the Canadian Foreign Affairs Officer under the Liberal Government interrogated him and then shared the information obtained with the commission, which the Supreme court ruled was a violation of his constitutional rights. The ruling said absolutely nothing about his incarceration being illegal. Are you in possession of any of the facts, or just innuendo? Edited July 13, 2017 by Spiderfish 1 Quote
The_Squid Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, betsy said: I didn't give that particular article. Notice the difference with the link? This is what I gave: https://www.child-soldiers.org/international-standards My link did say, MILITARY! The website that made the definition is calling Khadr a child soldier. You're looking at their definition and claiming it means the opposite of how they're intending it. Thats either lying.... or you don't understand what you read. Quote
Omni Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, Spiderfish said: The ruling said absolutely nothing with his incarceration being illegal. That's true. It was the SCOC who said his incarceration was illegal. There was a lot of court activity attached to this issue. Understandable you might have trouble following the twists and turns. Quote
Spiderfish Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Omni said: That's true. It was the SCOC who said his incarceration was illegal. There was a lot of court activity attached to this issue. Understandable you might have trouble following the twists and turns. I was referring to the SCOC ruling, they did not say his incarceration was illegal. Edited July 13, 2017 by Spiderfish Quote
Argus Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: I agree. What the family did to Omar was despicable and they deserved to be punished for it. What about what they did to Canada? 1 hour ago, The_Squid said: Did Harper ever do anything about the family? Why not? Because he was another gutless politician who didn't want to rock the boat on anything. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Goddess said: Do you really think the apologists would have gone along with Muslim children being taken away from Muslim parents? Chretien probably didn't want to be labelled a racist and an Islamophobe at the time. To a progressive, the very idea that taking a kid away from Canada to live in Afghanistan would be harmful to the kid is a no-brainer. All cultures are equal, so suggesting that Afghanistan's culture was somehow worse than that of Canada would be anathema to them. They'd be applauding his family reacquainting him with his Muslim roots (even though they never bothered to set any roots down in this country). Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 6 minutes ago, Spiderfish said: I was referring to the SCOC ruling, they did not say his incarceration was illegal. They said his rights were taken from him for various reasons. Just read a bit. Quote
Argus Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 38 minutes ago, jacee said: The more Islamophobia, the more disaffection from society, the more radicalization, the happier the extremists are. There don't seem to be any Muslim attacks in Eastern Europe, despite them being much more hostile to Muslims there. In Western Europe politicians fall all over themselves to welcome Islam. Theresa May even got up on stage at the last tory convention to recite her favorite quotes from the Quran, and you couldn't get any more welcoming than Angela Merkel. So your theory seems to be lacking any sustainable evidence or logic. Edited July 13, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Spiderfish Posted July 13, 2017 Report Posted July 13, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Omni said: They said his rights were taken from him for various reasons. Just read a bit. Listen, if you want to continue any sort of debate, please go educate yourself on the facts first. I have no interest trying to carry on a conversation with a buffoon. You are not in possession of the facts, and until that changes, there's not much to discuss. Edited July 13, 2017 by Spiderfish Quote
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