Defeating (Radical) Islam

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Now that Mosul has been liberated it is no longer unsafe. Moreover, they desperately need their people back there for rebuilding.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 7/2/2017 at 8:57 PM, taxme said:

That might do the trick. But what all the western countries of the world should have been doing all these past years was to not allow any immigration at all from any and all Arab countries. The Arabs are just too culturally incompatible to mix in with the western way of life and it's values. I guess that it is never too late to take this kind of action before all of the people in the western world get blown up. It is time for our politically correct politicians to wake the hell up. I guess that the only time those morons will wake up is when some of their own family members get blown up a few times. Then they just might wake the hell up then. It appears to be the only solution left to fix this Islamic problem today. 

Whether you realize it or not you are indeed inciting hate and subsequent violence which always follows hate. I am not fond of Arabs either but in every group or race there are some good and some bad people. Generalization and inciting hate is wrong and evil. You have proven that you are insane. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 7/3/2017 at 5:25 AM, August1991 said:

I'm uncomfortable with such broad generalizations. Many people in Iran (not Arab, btw) oppose their theocracy. I think we in the West should signal our support for them as Reagan did with dissidents inside the Soviet Union.

As to immigration, the Israelis have successfully built a wall but I just don't think that's realistic for us.

But with that said, I wonder whether my implicit comparison in the OP of the Soviet Union and radical Islam is even helpful.  The threats are different.

Yes this is a good post. I agree with many aspects of this post.

Edited July 13, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

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On 7/3/2017 at 10:26 AM, hot enough said:

Now you are advocating terrorism.

Radical Islam is a meme, started by the USA. It is no different than the so called commie threat that seems to have captured your imagination once again. Better check in your knickers and under your bed for commies.

Post after post you further discredit yourself, you have nothing to lose though as you have no credibility left. You can't go lower than zero.

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 7/3/2017 at 3:25 PM, eyeball said:

Negotiate and sue for peace.

Probably not with ISIS though. I'd suggest a more moderate group like al Quaeda...kinda like Sinn Fein was to the IRA.

Seriously!!!!!!!You see al Quaeda as moderate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Ben Laden who murdered over 3000 innocent people was a moderate Muslim in your book right?Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited July 13, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

To respond to OP. Radicalism can be best defeated by education rather than war and hate mongering. Supporting the democratic elements and the elite within that society rather than the radicals so that they can take the control. Push for human rights and women's right as well as the rights of minorities in those countries and threaten them with political and economic sanctions if they refuse. To cut off ties with radical murderous regimes rather than negotiating with them. Radicalism cannot grow and will die where there is good social education, prosperity, justice and educated people form the majority who oppose radicalism. It may not happen overnight but it WILL happen.

Edited July 13, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

[GostHacked]

11 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Now that Mosul has been liberated it is no longer unsafe. Moreover, they desperately need their people back there for rebuilding.

Liberated? Well, if you say so. I would not believe it.

[taxme]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

To respond to OP. Radicalism can be best defeated by education rather than war and hate mongering. Supporting the democratic elements and the elite within that society rather than the radicals so that they can take the control. Push for human rights and women's right as well as the rights of minorities in those countries and threaten them with political and economic sanctions if they refuse. To cut off ties with radical murderous regimes rather than negotiating with them. Radicalism cannot grow and will die where there is good social education, prosperity, justice and educated people form the majority who oppose radicalism. It may not happen overnight but it WILL happen.

Are you for real? Stop dreaming. Do you honestly believe that the warmongering rulers of the world are going to listen to your babble? It is not going to happen until the people of the world start to give a chit. And from what I have noticed so far just in Canada alone no one talks about it which means to me that they don't give a dam, and it must be quite obvious to you by now that most people in the world don't give a dam.  Wake up.

So, just what are you doing to try and save the world from destroying itself? 

[taxme]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Whether you realize it or not you are indeed inciting hate and subsequent violence which always follows hate. I am not fond of Arabs either but in every group or race there are some good and some bad people. Generalization and inciting hate is wrong and evil. You have proven that you are insane. 

No, I do not see anywhere where I am trying to promote hate or violence towards anyone. You obviously cannot read what is being said, and would prefer to see it has promoting something that I am not. Are we not allowed to talk about issues and events without being told that we are somehow promoting some kind of hatred or violence or intolerance or bigotry all words I might add that are used by the left wing liberal loonies to try and shut down the topic at hand. Maybe it is you who is insane here, not me. Just saying. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

You must be seriously blind to your own writings and hate mongering. You put the fear into readers hearts and minds that Muslims are a danger to the western society and they will blow up their families. They fear for the lives of their families so they may decide to blow up Muslims first in order to save in their minds their families. You must be blind not to see what you are doing and saying or you see them quite well but pretend that that you don't or pretend that you don't intend to. Read your own comments one more time. Wear glasses on your brain to see what you are saying and inciting.

On 7/2/2017 at 8:57 PM, taxme said:

 The Arabs are just too culturally incompatible to mix in with the western way of life and it's values. I guess that it is never too late to take this kind of action before all of the people in the western world get blown up. It is time for our politically correct politicians to wake the hell up. I guess that the only time those morons will wake up is when some of their own family members get blown up a few times. Then they just might wake the hell up then. It appears to be the only solution left to fix this Islamic problem today. 

Edited July 13, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

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4 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You must be seriously blind to your own writings and hate mongering. You put the fear into readers hearts and minds that Muslims are a danger to the western society and they will blow up their families. They fear for the lives of their families so they may decide to blow up Muslims first in order to save in their minds their families. You must be blind not to see what you are doing and saying or you see them quite well but pretend that that you don't or pretend that you don't intend to. Read your own comments one more time. Wear glasses on your brain to see what you are saying and inciting.

Actually I posted a picture on one of these threads of a Muslim woman who blew up at least part of her family.  It didn't make me want blow anyone up first.

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Seriously!!!!!!!You see al Quaeda as moderate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Ben Laden who murdered over 3000 innocent people was a moderate Muslim in your book right?Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No less so than the dictators we're over there supporting really.  ISIS on the other hand really do look nuts.

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

No less so than the dictators we're over there supporting really.  ISIS on the other hand really do look nuts.

So we are in the game of mathematics now? So those dictators who kill less are moderates too in your books? Btw, both Russia and US supporting dictators who kill Russia is supporting Bashir Assas and US supporting Saudi Regime as two examples so Russia is a lot worse.

[eyeball]

Now look who's playing the numbers game. You must figure two wrongs make a right.

I sure as hell don't but I am playing a different game so...that's why we'll never see eye to eye on this...ever.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Except that I never called US the right or good (as you did with Al Quaeda). I said Russia is worse and I always post about US as bad for many actions like Vietnam, Chile, Iran, Saudi......... Did you say ISIS is very evil and Al Quaeda is evil too? No you didn't. While you admitted ISIS is bad you called Al Quaeda as moderates!!!!!!!!!!!

[marcus]

I fully reject the explanation that "it's the religion". 

Radical/military Islam is a symptom that has become a problem.

In order to defeat it, we need to look at how and why it has developed.

The problem is massive dysfunction in Arab societies, economic and social and political, environmental and other kinds of dysfunction, that have created hundreds of millions of distressed people, some of whom go and join ISIS, to create groups like ISIS.

The only way we, the west, can help resolve this problem is to look at our foreign policy and the contributions it has made in creating the dysfunction in the Arab societies. Everything from propping up dictators to bombing campaigns.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, marcus said:

I fully reject the explanation that "it's the religion". 

Radical/military Islam is a symptom that has become a problem.

In order to defeat it, we need to look at how and why it has developed.

The problem is massive dysfunction in Arab societies, economic and social and political, environmental and other kinds of dysfunction, that have created hundreds of millions of distressed people, some of whom go and join ISIS, to create groups like ISIS.

The only way we, the west, can help resolve this problem is to look at our foreign policy and the contributions it has made in creating the dysfunction in the Arab societies. Everything from propping up dictators to bombing campaigns.

 

So your contention is that Islam USED to be peaceful?

When, exactly?

[CITIZEN_2015]

The Arab society has always been dysfunction. West has nothing to do with it. 1500 years ago when they lived in the desert of Arabia and burying their daughters there was no West. 1400 years ago when they became powerful, they invaded their neighbors and setting libraries on fire and badly treating captured territories there was no West. Stop blaming every problem on the West. West did not create all these problems for Arabs. They created it for themselves. They are even at war with themselves as we speak.

[DogOnPorch]

4 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The Arab society has always been dysfunction. West has nothing to do with it. 1500 years ago when they lived in the desert of Arabia and burying their daughters there was no West. 1400 years ago when they became powerful, they invaded their neighbors and setting libraries on fire and badly treating captured territories there was no West. Stop blaming every problem on the West. West did not create all these problems for Arabs. They created it for themselves. They are even at war with themselves as we speak.

 

ISIS reminds me of The Mahdist War of the late 19th century. Chinese Gordon and all that.

[taxme]

21 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You must be seriously blind to your own writings and hate mongering. You put the fear into readers hearts and minds that Muslims are a danger to the western society and they will blow up their families. They fear for the lives of their families so they may decide to blow up Muslims first in order to save in their minds their families. You must be blind not to see what you are doing and saying or you see them quite well but pretend that that you don't or pretend that you don't intend to. Read your own comments one more time. Wear glasses on your brain to see what you are saying and inciting.

Islam is a real danger to the West today, and there is nothing wrong with talking about Islam good or bad. People are talking about Islam more than they ever did these days, and have learned a lot about that backwards religion. That is good. Just knowing as to how they execute people alone is deplorable. You need to put your brain into gear and read as to what is going on in Europe today with those so-called peaceful loving Muslims. They are bombing and shooting and raping women all over Europe, and you appear to not want to condemn them for their archaic disgusting acts. Islam lives in the 10th century time zone today. The West does not need Muslims because they refuse to assimilate, and they are trying all the time to push their sharia law on the West. That does not work for me.  

[CITIZEN_2015]

I don't comment about a subject I know very little about (religions) but it is very clear from your post that once again you are generalizing all people in a certain group and spreading hate against that group. You spread lies or grossly exaggerate facts in order to encourage hate.

While it is true that some Syrian refugees assaulted women in Europe in last New Year's Eve celebrations but, they do not represent all of Arabs or Muslims. There are also many (a big majority) who do not engage in assaults on women or bombings or shootings and try to start a life for themselves and their children in Europe, Those who do engage in rape and assaults must be severely punished (must be sent back home to be executed according to their own laws as western laws is not harsh enough for rape). The executions you refer to are mostly according to their own laws ( for rape, murder, drug trafficking...). I for one am very supportive of the return of Capital Punishment in Canada for those who commit rape and in general for violent acts against defenseless women and children.

You are claiming that all Muslims are engaged in rape and bombing and shooting (you cannot say same lie for Muslims in Canada because readers know it is a lie) and that is a BIG lie. Most of them are not and wish to live in peace and live a life just like the people in the west do. The real danger to the world is you and your kind.

Edited July 14, 2017 by CITIZEN_2015

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On 13.7.2017 at 10:42 PM, GostHacked said:

Liberated? Well, if you say so. I would not believe it.

I wonder do you get different news over there in Canada compared to what we get in Finland.

[Argus]

22 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

So your contention is that Islam USED to be peaceful?

When, exactly?

Yeah, never. You know I was looking at the BBC site this morning, and on their travel section, they had pictures of these beautiful old monasteries and buildings from northern Turkey - when the area was a Christian kingdom allied to Georgia. Like the rest of Turkey, it was overrun by conquering Muslims and is now a Muslim land. This would be in about 1300, in Islam's so-called Golden age. People like to forget that during this period the Muslim world was continually attacking ALL its neighbours. The conquest and occupation of Spain occurred during this time too. Nor did Islam become peaceful afterwards, and was only stopped at the gates of Vienna in 1683.

Edited July 15, 2017 by Argus

[Argus]

15 hours ago, -TSS- said:

I wonder do you get different news over there in Canada compared to what we get in Finland.

HE certainly does.

[CITIZEN_2015]

17 hours ago, -TSS- said:

I wonder do you get different news over there in Canada compared to what we get in Finland.

I think he was indicating that the city moved from the hands of one terrorist group to another so no change in his view. But I am just guessing.