Why Trust the Bible?

[OftenWrong]

Just now, hot enough said:

A work of fiction written by a bunch of Neanderthal thinkers in order to dupe people. Why no new Sodom and Gomorrahs? All these fables only happened in the far distant past when there are men and countries more evil than long ago. 

It's all pure bullshit, unadulterated. 

Only if taken literally. Christianity's influence on modern culture and law is undeniable.

[hot enough]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Not sure why you are using the term "dog".  God is not a dog and nobody ever associated him with a dog.  Sounds a bit derogatory.  Why not use the term God when speaking to people who believe in God?  Perhaps you could consider doing that much.

dog is glorifying because dogs are more kind and benevolent than than the vicious god of the bible.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”  - Richard Dawkins

[hot enough]

6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Only if taken literally. Christianity's influence on modern culture and law is undeniable.

Are you especially fond of the pedophile ministers?

[hot enough]

7 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Only if taken literally. Christianity's influence on modern culture and law is undeniable.

We can see that benevolent influence on the tens of millions that the fine christian nation, the USA, slaughtered for god and to steal their wealth. And before them, Britain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, ... . 

[OftenWrong]

7 minutes ago, hot enough said:

We can see that benevolent influence on the tens of millions that the fine christian nation, the USA, slaughtered for god and to steal their wealth. And before them, Britain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, ... . 

Using religion to manipulate the great unwashed as as old as history itself.

[hot enough]

10 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Using religion to manipulate the great unwashed as as old as history itself.

I always love it how folks make apologies for the equivalent of Hitler. 

And such evil should not be tolerated by real human beings. 

Edited June 12, 2017 by hot enough

[OftenWrong]

Just now, hot enough said:

And such evil should not be tolerated by real human beings. 

"We fought the enemy, and the enemy was in us." There is no evil outside of human beings.

[hot enough]

8 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

"We fought the enemy, and the enemy was in us." There is no evil outside of human beings.

I always love it how folks make apologies for their own Hitlers. 

[OftenWrong]

Just now, hot enough said:

I always love it how folks make apologies for their own Hitlers. 

Who is worse, the one who takes a stand based on a categorical imperative (like Hitler, and in a way yourself) or the one who allows or tolerates a moderate amount of bad things to happen, for the sake of lesser evil.

[hot enough]

10 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Who is worse, the one who takes a stand based on a categorical imperative (like Hitler, and in a way yourself) or the one who allows or tolerates a moderate amount of bad things to happen, for the sake of lesser evil.

You are, clearly and unequivocally, because you support an evil that is at least the equal of Hitler, and has had a much much longer run. And what makes you worse is that you are willing to lie about it, pretend it isn't as evil and then flee from any discussion that might jar your fantasies. 

I'm glad you asked.

 

Edited June 12, 2017 by hot enough

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Check this article.  Why 50 Scientists Choose to Believe in Creation

http://creation.com/keith-h-wanser-physics-in-six-days

Possible scenarios of intense neutrino and/or gamma ray fluxes due to various supernova and stellar disturbances (possibly during Noah’s Flood) may have contributed to the appearance of age when radioactive substances are examined by causing substantial radioactive decay in a very short time period, rather than over long periods of time at currently observable rates.

This is false, since radioactive decay is a process in which an excited nucleus loses energy. Adding additional intense ionizing radiation to the nucleus only makes it go the other way, In other words it becomes more radioactive. There is no observable/verifiable mechanism for accelerating the process of radioactive decay.

Even if it did have an effect at very high energies, like from a supernova directed at the Earth as your article suggest, this would kill all life on Earth. DNA is destroyed by ionizing rays. Noah would not have made it.

[OftenWrong]

24 minutes ago, hot enough said:

You are, clearly and unequivocally, because you support an evil that is at least the equal of Hitler, and has had a much much longer run.

No problem. USA bombed the hell out of Hitler and the Nazis as well. You are free to stick with your buddies Stalin and Khomeini, see how far that gets you.

[hot enough]

11 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

No problem. USA bombed the hell out of Hitler and the Nazis as well. You are free to stick with your buddies Stalin and Khomeini, see how far that gets you.

A typically inane response. "My buddies". That is so childish.

No country has the right to illegally invade others. No country has the right to terrorize people. You condemn such actions but then you make excuses for the same actions by the US/UK, ones that cause the deaths of tens of millions and the immense suffering for hundreds of millions more. That is as pure an evil as Stalin. And you own that with your avid support of people who are the equal of the Nazis but with over a century long run.

[blackbird]

23 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Possible scenarios of intense neutrino and/or gamma ray fluxes due to various supernova and stellar disturbances (possibly during Noah’s Flood) may have contributed to the appearance of age when radioactive substances are examined by causing substantial radioactive decay in a very short time period, rather than over long periods of time at currently observable rates.

This is false, since radioactive decay is a process in which an excited nucleus loses energy. Adding additional intense ionizing radiation to the nucleus only makes it go the other way, In other words it becomes more radioactive. There is no observable/verifiable mechanism for accelerating the process of radioactive decay.

Even if it did have an effect at very high energies, like from a supernova directed at the Earth as your article suggest, this would kill all life on Earth. DNA is destroyed by ionizing rays. Noah would not have made it.

The debate about the science involved in creation appears to be complex and who is to know.  I would investigate the inspiration and truth of the Bible (KJV 1611).  That should be a higher priority.  It is interesting of course to read the articles about creation but it might not resolve the question one way or another in the end in one's mind.  The truth of scripture is of extreme importance because it determines one's future for eternity.  That puts things in perspective.

Edited June 13, 2017 by blackbird

[OftenWrong]

11 hours ago, hot enough said:

A typically inane response. "My buddies". That is so childish.

No country has the right to illegally invade others. No country has the right to terrorize people. You condemn such actions but then you make excuses for the same actions by the US/UK, ones that cause the deaths of tens of millions and the immense suffering for hundreds of millions more. That is as pure an evil as Stalin. And you own that with your avid support of people who are the equal of the Nazis but with over a century long run.

It seems you fail to recognize who your real enemies are, and would rather side with the terrorists.

[hot enough]

10 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It seems you fail to recognize who your real enemies are, and would rather side with the terrorists.

Another typically inane response.

That's the thing, I don't side with the US, the leading terrorist nation/group in the world for over a century. You do. 

Remember OFTENWRONG, only the US has ever been convicted of international terrorism. Only the US has been condemned by the entire world for 25 years for terrorism against Cuba. There is no other country that has that distinguished record. 

Edited June 13, 2017 by hot enough

[OftenWrong]

15 minutes ago, hot enough said:

That's the thing, I don't side with the US, the leading terrorist nation/group in the world for over a century. You do. 

Remember OFTENWRONG, only the US has ever been convicted of international terrorism. Only the US has been condemned by the entire world for 25 years for terrorism against Cuba. There is no other country that has that distinguished record. 

That's ok Komrad, you are free to side with Putin or Fidel or Raul, or whomever it is you actually do admire. Just don't go the way of Jihadi Jones.

[hot enough]

17 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

That's ok Komrad, you are free to side with Putin or Fidel or Raul, or whomever it is you actually do admire. Just don't go the way of Jihadi Jones.

Typical Oftenwrong childish response.

[TTM]

On 2017-06-12 at 9:52 PM, blackbird said:

The debate about the science involved in creation appears to be complex and who is to know.

Simple subjects become complex when studied by someone who has a strong motivation not to understand.

On 2017-06-12 at 9:52 PM, blackbird said:

I would investigate the inspiration and truth of the Bible (KJV 1611).  That should be a higher priority.

When presented by evidence showing your beliefs are false, ignore (refuse to process) the evidence and retreat back to your safe space.

On 2017-06-12 at 9:52 PM, blackbird said:

The truth of scripture is of extreme importance because it determines one's future for eternity.  That puts things in perspective.

Because remember, God likes to have tortured for eternity those creations of His that would prefer to use their "God given" rational mind and free will

Edited June 16, 2017 by TTM

[betsy]

On 6/16/2017 at 1:13 AM, TTM said:

Because remember, God likes to have tortured for eternity those creations of His that would prefer to use their "God given" rational mind and free will

 

As far as I know.....the first Commandment is the most important of all Commandments.

  I imagine, if there will be anyone who'll be tortured for all eternity, it will be His creation who show not only rejection, but such contempt for their Creator.

 

You're kneeling down and praying before a god?  Make sure it's before The TRUE God.

Edited June 17, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

On 6/16/2017 at 1:13 AM, TTM said:

 

When presented by evidence showing your beliefs are false, ignore (refuse to process) the evidence and retreat back to your safe space.

 

 

You got no so-called evidence!

In fact, it's the other way around.   When presented by evidence showing your beliefs are false, ignore (refuse to process) the evidence and retreat back to your safe space.

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

 

You got no so-called evidence!

In fact, it's the other way around.   When presented by evidence showing your beliefs are false, ignore (refuse to process) the evidence and retreat back to your safe space.

 

Sort of like your attempts to explain away metallicity as insignificant.

 

[blackbird]

On 2017-06-15 at 10:13 PM, TTM said:

Simple subjects become complex when studied by someone who has a strong motivation not to understand.

When presented by evidence showing your beliefs are false, ignore (refuse to process) the evidence and retreat back to your safe space.

Because remember, God likes to have tortured for eternity those creations of His that would prefer to use their "God given" rational mind and free will

Just found an interesting video on Netflix if you have it.   "Is Genesis History"  goes into it with creation scientists.  Explains a lot of things.  There are two schools of thought, or two paradigms.  One is the old earth paradigm and the other is the Genesis paradigm.  It seems to boil down to the uniformitarian principle which is used to support the old earth theory.  The catastrophism paradigm explains the young earth paradigm.  The video looks at the Grand Canyon which is explained as a result of Noah's flood.  A very sudden deposition of layers including fossils.  They also interviewed a Hebraist, a specialist on the Hebrew language and Genesis.  He said it is written in a way not to be interpreted as anything other than literal, that God created the universe in six days.

Edited June 18, 2017 by blackbird

[betsy]

Some darwinist scientists claim that Genesis talks about evolution.    One scientist wrote the book called The Genesis Enigma - showing in details how Genesis talks about evolution! Here's an example:

 

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On the third day, we are told: 'God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so."'

Now factually speaking, grass didn't evolve until much later. In the Triassic and Jurassic epochs, the dinosaurs knew only plants such as giant conifers and tree ferns. But since grass did not in fact evolve until much later, a sternly literal-minded scientist would declare the Bible wrong, and consign it to the nearest wheelie bin.

But wait a minute, says Parker. If you take 'grass, herb and tree' to mean photosynthesising life in general, then this is, once again, spot on.

 

The very life forms on earth were single-celled bacteria, but the first truly viable bacteria were the 'cyanobacteria' - those that had learned to photosynthesise.

As a result, they began to expire oxygen, creating an atmosphere that could go on to support more and more life. They were the key to life on earth.

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1200486/The-Genesis-enigma-How-DID-Bible-evolution-life-3-000-years-Darwin.html#ixzz4kLkpDrNQ
 

 

 

  While another prominent scientist claims DNA as the "Language of God."

 

 

 

 

Don't you wonder why the Bible seems to "talk" to them on that level that involves science?

Edited June 18, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

The following are some evidences for the argument that the Creator has intimate knowledge of His creation.

Only the Creator would know of these things that were verbally passed through generations and finally written in the Bible - thousands of years before science discovered and reaffirms them.  More will be added.

All from the Book of Genesis 1 and 2:

*In the beginning (consistent with science's discovery that the universe had a beginning)

*All waters gather to one place, and land appear (consistent with science's claim that in the early times there was only one super ocean and only one super continent - Pangaea and Panthalassa)

*The waters bringing forth creatures that has life (compatible with evolutionist claim that life started in the water).

*"After their kind" in relation to reproduction - without any mention of genders, except to humans - male and female - (consistent with science discovery that some species don't require a mate in order to reproduce.  Some creatures are asexual)

*God formed man from dust (consistent with science finding that the human body is made up of elements that comes from dirt/dust).

*God's curse towards the snake that it would from henceforth crawl on its belly and eat dust (compatible with science's discovery that snakes used to have limbs or legs)

*Man's dominion of animals (consistent with reality - as can be observed, even today)

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*Stretches the Heavens (consistent with science discovery that the universe is stretching).  Take note that most of the verses uses the present tense "stretches."   How appropriate!  The universe is still stretching.

*Psalm 102:25-26, Isaiah 51:6, Hebrews 1:10-11 indicate the universe is wearing out (consistent with the Second Law of Thermodynamics)

Edited June 18, 2017 by betsy