DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, Boges said: Provide an example of this. It's not like a logical argument to just make an outlandish claim like that if you can't back it up. The war you cite was a religious conflict. More a war of Capitalism vs Communism. Sure the United State is a largely Christian nation, but their conflicts don't appear to put forward the goal of preaching the Good News of Christ. Many Vietnamese were/are staunchly Catholic....already. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
hot enough Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, Boges said: Cite You have to remember that this whole mess has come about as a result of yet another huge USA lie. The alleged 911 hijackers is a fiction just the Maine, Gulf of Tonkin, Anthrax scare, ... . Science tells us that all three towers were blown up and you folks just jumped on the lying US bandwagon, without giving it any thought whatsoever. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, hot enough said: You have to remember that this whole mess has come about as a result of yet another huge USA lie. The alleged 911 hijackers is a fiction just the Maine, Gulf of Tonkin, Anthrax scare, ... . Science tells us that all three towers were blown up and you folks just jumped on the lying US bandwagon, without giving it any thought whatsoever. So you have nothing. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, hot enough said: You have to remember that this whole mess has come about as a result of yet another huge USA lie. The alleged 911 hijackers is a fiction just the Maine, Gulf of Tonkin, Anthrax scare, ... . Science tells us that all three towers were blown up and you folks just jumped on the lying US bandwagon, without giving it any thought whatsoever. Back to 911 trutherism. I thought we were talking about US Troops playing hockey with Trucks and poor Vietnamese Civilians. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, Boges said: Back to 911 trutherism. I thought we were talking about US Troops playing hockey with Trucks and poor Vietnamese Civilians. Vietnamese traffic cops were not to be messed with...by anyone. MACV didn't handle local infractions. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
hot enough Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Boges said: The war you cite wasn't a religious conflict. More a war of Capitalism vs Communism. Sure the United States is a largely Christian nation, but their conflicts don't appear to put forward the goal of preaching the Good News of Christ. It was simply just a massive series of war crimes by the US on the people of Vietnam. The equivalent of the Nazi invasions of European countries. It had nothing to do with communism. It had everything to do with the US wanting to take over European colonies to rape and pillage. Why do you ignore the gook hockey, the dropping people out of helicopters, the weekly MyLais, the saturation bombing of Cambodia, the napalming, the Phosphorus "shake and bake", the depleted uranium, the deformed Iraqi and Vietnamese children, the women having their breasts slashed off, the beheadings, the ... ? Edited March 23, 2017 by hot enough Quote
Boges Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, hot enough said: It was simply just a massive series of war crimes by the US on the people of Vietnam. The equivalent of the Nazi invasions of European countries. It had nothing to do with communism. It had everything to do with the US wanting to take over European colonies to rape and pillage. So the Cold War was a fabrication? 1 Quote
marcus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Why are some people wanting this to be so much about 'religion' and not just accept the simple fact that we have been, for so long, been fucking with people around the world and now we're experiencing the consequences? A guy gets in a car and drives through people. Then gets out and starts stabbing. This sounds like a guy who has lost the plot, most likely created by rage. Where is this rage coming from? Is it because Muslims have this unique rage and thirst for revenge? People who subscribe to other religions do not have this rage? 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Boges Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Also if the proxy wars against Communist nations just veiled Imperialism, then why are exactly zero of the nations involved currently US colonies? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, marcus said: Why are some people wanting this to be so much about 'religion' and not just accept the simple fact that we have been, for so long, been fucking with people around the world and now we're experiencing the consequences? A guy gets in a car and drives through people. Then gets out and starts stabbing. This sounds like a guy who has lost the plot, most likely created by rage. Where is this rage coming from? Is it because Muslims have this unique rage and thirst for revenge? People who subscribe to other religions do not have this rage? #nothingtodowithIslam Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Michael Hardner Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Folks - please stick to the topic. Thanks. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
hot enough Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Boges said: So the Cold War was a fabrication? Completely. A huge US whitewash, brought about by the best propaganda system the world has ever known. If the communists were so intent on world domination, why, in heavens name did they [Russia and China] help the Vietnamese and Koreans drive out the invading hordes and then go home? Quote
Boges Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, marcus said: Why are some people wanting this to be so much about 'religion' and not just accept the simple fact that we have been, for so long, been fucking with people around the world and now we're experiencing the consequences? A guy gets in a car and drives through people. Then gets out and starts stabbing. This sounds like a guy who has lost the plot, most likely created by rage. Where is this rage coming from? Is it because Muslims have this unique rage and thirst for revenge? People who subscribe to other religions do not have this rage? Because the people who are doing the violence make it about their religion. Saying Allah Akbar before committing an act of violence is an indication that Religion is factor. 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said: Folks - please stick to the topic. Thanks. Right...Islam...the joy it brings to all things including traffic. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Boges Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, hot enough said: Completely. A huge US whitewash, brought about by the best propaganda system the world has ever known. If the communists were so intent on world domination, why, in heavens name did they [Russia and China] help the Vietnamese and Koreans drive out the invading hordes and then go home? Could say the same about Afghanistan in the 80's. Also, why are Germany and Japan Independent nations now? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Boges said: Because the people who are doing the violence make it about their religion. Saying Allah Akbar before committing an act of violence is an indication that Religion is factor. Remember: the REAL victim is Islam. Poor, poor, Islam. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 I love the strangeness of some people who get all emotional and then throw their arms in the air, screaming "why?!" when these attacks happen, then they are SO READY to defend things like the Vietnam war, where hundreds of thousands of people were turned into ash. Or the Iraq war where hundreds of thousands of people were maimed and decimated. Or the drone attacks that have left thousands of innocent people dead. Or... I can go on... Those are all okay and can be explained. No human emotion and empathy is necessary. But.... OMG SOME BROWN GUY KILLED 4 PEOPLE!!!!11 OH CHRISTIAN GOD! HELP US ALL! THEY'RE COMING TO GET US!!! 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Boges Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 It's amusing that when a white person commits an act of violence, it's automatically attributed to Right-Wing Nationalism, but when it's a Muslim, we can't blame the religion it has to be a measured response to this American Imperialism we still have yet to prove. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, marcus said: I love the strangeness of some people who get all emotional and then throw their arms in the air, screaming "why?!" when these attacks happen, then they are SO READY to defend things like the Vietnam war, where hundreds of thousands of people were turned into ash. Or the Iraq war where hundreds of thousands of people were maimed and decimated. Or the drone attacks that have left thousands of innocent people dead. Or... I can go on... Those are all okay and can be explained. No human emotion and empathy is necessary. But.... OMG SOME BROWN GUY KILLED 4 PEOPLE!!!!11 OH CHRISTIAN GOD! HELP US ALL! THEY'RE COMING TO GET US!!! #neveranythingtodowithIslamstoppickingonmyfavoritecult Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Boges said: It's amusing that when a white person commits an act of violence, it's automatically attributed to Right-Wing Nationalism, but when it's a Muslim, we can't blame the religion it has to be a measured response to this American Imperialism we still have yet to prove. Even if one 'likes' Jack Layton. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
marcus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Boges said: It's amusing that when a white person commits an act of violence, it's automatically attributed to Right-Wing Nationalism, but when it's a Muslim, we can't blame the religion it has to be a measured response to this American Imperialism we still have yet to prove. What do we blame for you being OKAY for the killings of the Vietnamese, Japanese, Arabs, South Americans, Aboriginals, etc. by the West? 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Boges Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, marcus said: What do we blame for you being OKAY for the killings of the Vietnamese, Japanese, Arabs, South Americans, Aboriginals, etc. by the West? Throwing the Japanese in there kind of throws your argument to pieces. WW2 wasn't a justified war now? Many of the other wars were a response to the Cold War, the Soviets were just as "Imperialistic" as you claim the US were. That was the war being fought then. I'm not defending the US foreign policy though. But I'll also not let claims of war crimes go without sufficient citation. I don't believe shrugging off Muslims killing civilians now because of Wars that happened in the 40's, 50's and 60's is terribly productive. Edited March 23, 2017 by Boges Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 Islam is being victimized...obviously. Islam is the real victim...always. Not the dead. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Michael Hardner Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, Boges said: Could say the same about Afghanistan in the 80's. Also, why are Germany and Japan Independent nations now? Stay on topic please. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
marcus Posted March 23, 2017 Report Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Boges said: Throwing the Japanese in there kind of throws your argument to pieces. WW2 wasn't a justified war now? I'm not defending the US foreign policy. But I'll also not let claims of war crimes go without sufficient citation. Throwing not one, but two nuclear bombs on cities, where human beings live, cannot be justified by someone who is not a psychopath. 1 Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
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