DogOnPorch Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 minute ago, ?Impact said: I am only pointing out the works of Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim who lived centuries ago and complied what they saw as the true Hadith and not what other people have created before and after and attributed to Muhammed for their own purposes. A lot of what people claim to be Hadith are the same as fortune cookies that claim Confucius say. What agenda are you trying to propagate? Again: you're free to belittle the importance of the Hadiths in Islam. It won't change their actual importance which is considerable...especially the first two volumes. But, I understand why you want to do this...so no worries. Islam is Peace, after-all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: But, I understand why you want to do this...so no worries. Can you provide some other relevance for this cleric - other than your belief that the other poster has a "secret agenda" ? Just asking as a poster here, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Again: you're free to belittle the importance of the Hadiths in Islam. I'm not belittling or defining anything. I am just pointing out that what is commonly referred to as Hadith is not a book like the Quran. When you say 'first two volumes' you are obviously referring to a collection, which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, ?Impact said: I'm not belittling or defining anything. I am just pointing out that what is commonly referred to as Hadith is not a book like the Quran. When you say 'first two volumes' you are obviously referring to a collection, which one? Bukhari and Muslim, of course. But you knew that... 4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Can you provide some other relevance for this cleric - other than your belief that the other poster has a "secret agenda" ? Just asking as a poster here, thanks. Eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Can you provide some other relevance for this cleric - other than your belief that the other poster has a "secret agenda" ? Just asking as a poster here, thanks. This whole sequence is off topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Bukhari and Muslim, of course. But you knew that... So you are a Sunni Muslim. No I didn't know that, but thanks for telling us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Just now, ?Impact said: So you are a Sunni Muslim. No I didn't know that, but thanks for telling us. I accept your surrender. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 5 hours ago, bcsapper said: No they aren't. As I said earlier: Judaism is a religion as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, dre said: Judaism is a religion as well. Non-proselytizing. You can't just decide to be a Jew. Muslim...different story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, dre said: Judaism is a religion as well. Anti semitism is not just with regard to the religion. At least, not how I understand it anyway. You might think differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
?Impact Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 25 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: You can't just decide to be a Jew. So: Judaism is a close exclusive club Islam is open to all Christianity has a guard at the door (baptize, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 17 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Anti semitism is not just with regard to the religion. At least, not how I understand it anyway. You might think differently. To understand why Judaism is more than a religion, one needs to understand what happened during the Diaspora. The whole concept of Usury Laws and interest on loans, modern banking...etc...was a result of sticking it to the Jews on a regular basis over centuries. Christian and Muslim alike...both heavily into Iconoclasm/appropriation as religions/cults go. Jews stuck together for safety... 2 minutes ago, ?Impact said: So: Judaism is a close exclusive club Islam is open to all Christianity has a guard at the door (baptize, etc.) Pretty much. However, Islam's guard is the Shahada which you belittled, if I recall. No Imam is needed, though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Non-proselytizing. You can't just decide to be a Jew. Muslim...different story. Anyone can decide to be a Jew or not. Same goes with any other religion. I would just have to want to be a Jew and follow the religion and believe in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Anyone can decide to be a Jew or not. Same goes with any other religion. I would just have to want to be a Jew and follow the religion and believe in it. No...11 steps. Including being accepted into a Synagogue by a group of Rabbis and learning (some) Hebrew. Pretty restrictive...and never knocking on your door with the 'Good News'. The Shahada is Allah's FINAL message to humanity and once you've heard it....know about it, even...you're either a Muslim or not. No human interjection is needed. Designed to be easy...not hard. Christianity is in the middle...you can drop-in...plop yer butt down in the pews and listen to the sermon. Only after you've been baptized in some fashion are you truly Christian. No insta-join like Islam...heh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) I suppose the phobia part about Islam is that ultimately it is a warrior's religion that produces more and more warriors. Be they support or front-line fighters. Did you know that if one dies as a Jihadi, he gets to speak for a large number of his closest relatives...living or dead...lol...who ALSO get to go to Paradise Plus?? Great system. Truly diabolical. Edited March 16, 2017 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 5 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: I suppose the phobia part about Islam is that ultimately it is a warrior's religion that produces more and more warriors. Be they support or front-line fighters. Well, if I had to choose a religion to believe in, I'd probably pick a warrior's religion over a peasant's religion... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 7 hours ago, bcsapper said: Anti semitism is not just with regard to the religion. At least, not how I understand it anyway. You might think differently. It depends I guess. Some people probably dont like the religion itself. I don't personally like it or any other religion for that matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 5 hours ago, Bonam said: Well, if I had to choose a religion to believe in, I'd probably pick a warrior's religion over a peasant's religion... "Mohammed knew that most people are terribly cowardly and stupid. That is why he promised two [sic] beautiful women to every courageous warrior who dies in battle. This is the kind of language a soldier understands. When he believes that he will be welcomed in this manner in the afterlife, he will be willing to give his life, he will be enthusiastic about going to battle and not fear death. You may call this primitive and you may laugh about it, but it is based on deeper wisdom. A religion must speak a man's language." ---Heinrich Himmler (Dec 1st, 1942) 5 hours ago, dre said: It depends I guess. Some people probably dont like the religion itself. I don't personally like it or any other religion for that matter. Christianity has the Blood Libel...or did...it's preached in far fewer churches post-Holocaust. Christ Killers. Islam: Jews were cursed by Allah for rejecting Mohammad as the next Moses. The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. ---Mohammad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dialamah Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 14 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Only after you've been baptized in some fashion are you truly Christian. Nah. Only have to accept Jesus in your heart to be Christian, saved and born again. Baptism is optional for many sects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Nah. Only have to accept Jesus in your heart to be Christian, saved and born again. Baptism is optional for many sects. Being 'born again' is the particular baptism in that case. Not to be confused with 'Christening'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism#Non-practitioners The point being: there's a ceremony...and at least another human. Quakers are the only real sect that doesn't bother with a baptism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goh Shenas Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 5 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: "Mohammed knew that most people are terribly cowardly and stupid. That is why he promised two [sic] beautiful women to every courageous warrior who dies in battle. This is the kind of language a soldier understands. When he believes that he will be welcomed in this manner in the afterlife, he will be willing to give his life, he will be enthusiastic about going to battle and not fear death. You may call this primitive and you may laugh about it, but it is based on deeper wisdom. A religion must speak a man's language." ---Heinrich Himmler (Dec 1st, 1942) Christianity has the Blood Libel...or did...it's preached in far fewer churches post-Holocaust. Christ Killers. Islam: Jews were cursed by Allah for rejecting Mohammad as the next Moses. The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews. ---Mohammad Are you related to him? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Just now, Goh Shenas said: Are you related to him? Non-sequitur: a common logical fallacy used by the pro-Islam crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 26 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Non-sequitur: a common logical fallacy used by the pro-Islam crowd. And by you in virtually every post you write. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Non-sequitur...AGAIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) I suppose when my opponents have nothing remaining with which to defend Islam, personal attacks are all that they have left. Edited March 16, 2017 by DogOnPorch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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