Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Army Guy said: But you said we as a nation have NEVER had such a policy......But we have had such a policy so your wrong.... No, I didn't say that either. Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Smallc said: No, I didn't say that either. Quote The second part could easily be disproven - Canada's governments have never taken that position, and there's a reason for that. Your right that was not your quote with your name on it....must have been mistaken..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Smallc said: At the time he made that tweet, Canadian dual citizens of those countries (35,000 people) and permanent residents were affected by this. Now they're (apparently) not. The tweet he made said nothing against Trump or any US policy, and only promoted Canada's position. I know you never said that either.....you were fear mongering as i accused you of, now things have settled down and clarity is there, so you did say.....and it might still, answer the question of HOW ? Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Your right that was not your quote with your name on it....must have been mistaken..... So you thought I was talking about the 40s when I said that? I meant in recent memory, but neglected to qualify it. Quote
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: I know you never said that either.....you were fear mongering as i accused you of, now things have settled down and clarity is there, so you did say.....and it might still, answer the question of HOW Clarity had nothing to do with it. Canada and the UK were able to negotiate special considerations. The US had to walk back its policy on green card holders. The situation wasn't well thought through at all. Quote
drummindiver Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 55 minutes ago, Smallc said: It's right here in Section 3: Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern. Those countries were previously named by the US as countries of concern. There was no need to name them in the order. Sure there is Just because Obama named 7 countries doesnt mean Trump did. He named one. It's hilarious you're trying to claim this but expected fron the left. Quote
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, drummindiver said: Sure there is Just because Obama named 7 countries doesnt mean Trump did. He named one. It's hilarious you're trying to claim this but expected fron the left. There are 7 countries affected for 90 days. You can try to change reality, but reality doesn't actually change because you want it to. Quote
drummindiver Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 You can say but he means 7 countries, but reality is he said one. Quote
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 1 minute ago, drummindiver said: You can say but he means 7 countries, but reality is he said one. You don't actually understand the Executive Order as written, do you? Quote
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Smallc said: Clarity had nothing to do with it. Canada and the UK were able to negotiate special considerations. The US had to walk back its policy on green card holders. The situation wasn't well thought through at all. WTF think was going to happen , it was new policy, all that was needed was time ....but liberal's were jumping up and down screaming about diplomats with dual passports.....i know that was not you either... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
drummindiver Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Smallc said: You don't actually understand the Executive Order as written, do you? Clearly I do. You want it to say what your leftist narrative dictates. Quote
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Army Guy said: WTF think was going to happen , it was new policy, all that was needed was time That's why policies generally go through vetting and and legal examination. That didn't happen here. Bad things happened as a result. Quote
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, drummindiver said: Clearly I do. You want it to say what your leftist narrative dictates. So you think that people from Somalia can still come to the US? Quote
Argus Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Smallc said: So you think that people from Somalia can still come to the US? Who cares? Honestly? Did you know that all of the countries involved bar entry to Israeli citizens? Not for 90 days but forever. Well, not Somalia, but it's not actually a country. Edited January 30, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Argus said: Who cares? Honestly? Did you know that all of the countries involved bar entry to Israeli citizens? Well, not Somalia, but it's not actually a country. But why should I care what they do, it's none of my business. Oh wait, that's your position. Quote
Argus Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Smallc said: But why should I care what they do, it's none of my business. Oh wait, that's your position. That IS my position. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the Left. I do that now and then. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Argus said: That IS my position. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the Left. I do that now and then. Do you think I'm in favour of the government of Bashar Al Assad? I'm obviously not. I expect a little better than talk of torture and refugee bans from the leader of the free world. You don't? Quote
Argus Posted January 30, 2017 Author Report Posted January 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, Smallc said: Do you think I'm in favour of the government of Bashar Al Assad? I'm obviously not. I expect a little better than talk of torture and refugee bans from the leader of the free world. You don't? I don't expect anything but craziness from Trump, but his barring entry to the residents of six failed countries and Iran doesn't overly concern me. I'm more concerned about him booting the joints chief of staff off his security council and replacing them with Steve Bannon to be honest. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 Just now, Argus said: I don't expect anything but craziness from Trump, but his barring entry to the residents of six failed countries and Iran doesn't overly concern me. I'm more concerned about him booting the joints chief of staff off his security council and replacing them with Steve Bannon to be honest. I'm more concerned about the second as well, so we won't have much of a debate there. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Smallc said: I expect a little better than talk of torture and refugee bans from the leader of the free world. You don't? Why ? Why do you place such importance on the leader of another nation ? Should Americans be equally concerned about the decisions and policies of Justin Trudeau ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 6 hours ago, dialamah said: Exactly. I'd rather be ethical and humane than materially blessed. Well maybe you and Smallc can try to eat ethical and humane see how that tastes......and where was this humanity and ethical judgement when our government left thousands to die in Rwanda, or Afghanistan where was your bleeding heart then, stuck up your frigging tree that's where, did the world call you a racist pig dog ....ya they did but you did not hear a word they said...........maybe black is not your favorite color.....where was your heart when we pulled out of afghan leaving afghanis fending for themselfs shit and they were muslim as well, maybe not the right muslims right..... .....the problem with you guys is you pick and choose....there is strife all around us and your blind to it....except when it comes to our brothers to the south.....no...when it comes to americans we draw the line......we will live up to our canadian constitution that states in the first line i think we will always be on the high ground when it comes to the states, we are good they are bad.....All Canadians will look down at americans it is what we do for a sport when hockey is not around....why because the americans got all the toys, they pay all the bills, that's why.....and liberals are jealous of all that..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Smallc Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 I assure you, I'm not jealous of their current situation. Maybe you are. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Army Guy said: ..All Canadians will look down at americans it is what we do for a sport when hockey is not around....why because the americans got all the toys, they pay all the bills, that's why.....and liberals are jealous of all that..... Indeed...it has long been a Canadian national pastime. My understanding of this was complete after reading that Justin Trudeau plaintively whined that the United States "...matters so much to us". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Army Guy Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Smallc said: That's why policies generally go through vetting and and legal examination. That didn't happen here. Bad things happened as a result. according to the media legal challenge was launched and it was turned down....the order still stands.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 30, 2017 Report Posted January 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Smallc said: I assure you, I'm not jealous of their current situation. Maybe you are. Then why are you concerned at all ? Are you from one of the banned nations for U.S. Travel? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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