Putin: "we are much stronger than any potential aggressor"

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

That's even worse.....having to hide behind NATO/USA instead of funding a decent military.   So why worry about Putin now ?

I suspect most of us are worried about Trump and Putin equally. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Omni said:

I suspect most of us are worried about Trump and Putin equally. 

 

Worry away...'cause that's all Canada cares to spend on it.  

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Why ?   What's Canada gonna do about it ?   Be the "honest broker" with no military power...because that's all Canada has to offer ?

Well Chretien told Bush where to put his military power when it came to Iraq. And who made out better on that deal eh?

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

Well Chretien told Bush where to put his military power when it came to Iraq. And who made out better on that deal eh?

 

No wonder Putin feels free to move on Europe.   Canada is already out of the game before it ever starts.  

The U.S. Navy has to tow Canada's broken ships back to port.

[Omni]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No wonder Putin feels free to move on Europe.   Canada is already out of the game before it ever starts.  

The U.S. Navy has to tow Canada's broken ships back to port.

And how much did Iraq cost you? And then of course you guys created ISIS in the wake and that will cost us all. Take a hint from a Canadian PM next time OK.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Omni said:

And how much did Iraq cost you? And then of course you guys created ISIS in the wake and that will cost us all. Take a hint from a Canadian PM next time OK.

 

Canada is always first to ask how much it costs...no wonder its military has been so badly neglected for so long.

Putin knows this....Canada is a non-factor.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada is always first to ask how much it costs...no wonder its military has been so badly neglected for so long.

Putin knows this....Canada is a non-factor.

Putin is now dealing with ISIS and he knows who's fault ti is that they exist. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Omni said:

Putin is now dealing with ISIS and he knows who's fault ti is that they exist. 

 

Good for Putin...he knows that Trudeau ran away (CF-18s).

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Good for Putin...he knows that Trudeau ran away (CF-18s).

We're good at knowing when to and when not to get involved. It's part of why we are esteemed as highly as we are in the world. We could give you a lesson if you like. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Omni said:

We're good at knowing when to and when not to get involved. It's part of why we are esteemed as highly as we are in the world. We could give you a lesson if you like. 

 

Putin knows this well....Canada is a non-factor.    The lesson is military disarmament.

Trump shouldn't pay Canada's NATO bill any more.

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Putin knows this well....Canada is a non-factor.    The lesson is military disarmament.

Trump shouldn't pay Canada's NATO bill any more.

I doubt Trump has paid any bills so far.

It will be intersting to see how fast Trump and Putin can run up their respective bills though. And you're paying.

Edited December 23, 2016 by Omni

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Omni said:

I doubt Trump has paid any bills so far.

 

Good...less for deadbeat Canada when Putin makes his move.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Good...less for deadbeat Canada when Putin makes his move.

His "move"? what's he gonna do, invite Trump to his dacha so they can hot tub together? I don't want to see any pics of that.

[betsy]

23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

...military that is.  But how will he measure up against a new president who bragged about his penis size, in response to criticism of his infant-sized hands.  Yes, this is what international diplomacy is nowadays, please join me in the mud.

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/12/22/putin-russias-military-is-stronger-than-anyones

 

Good to know that he's ready to invade bordering nations, and feels that his new friend in Washington (blackmail victim maybe ?) would likely stand by as he mongered war.  Oh if Trump were only half the man Hillary was....

 

Putin and Trump - seems to be playing "poker" with each other.  That's what's lost to you, guys.

 

Understandably, since you've been so used to how liberals "diplomatically negotiate" with other countries - which is basically hingeing on saying "please," and readily giving in - it's quite easy to forget that there are other ways of "negotiating."

 

Liberals tend to tip their hands at negotiations! 

Putin and Trump are doing a slow dance........while sizing up each other.  It's an art.

 

 

Edited December 23, 2016 by betsy

[eyeball]

It's a bromance. 

 

[betsy]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

It's a bromance. 

 

 

Did you say, BROMANCE????  That's what bromance is?

That's how Trudeau and Obama did it?

 

EWWWWWWWWW!

 

Kinda remind me of Roman "mentorship" in ancient times, too!  An older man to a younger one.

 

Edited December 23, 2016 by betsy

[WestCoastRunner]

16 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

Did you say, BROMANCE????  That's what bromance is?

That's how Trudeau and Obama did it?

 

EWWWWWWWWW!

 

Kinda remind me of Roman "mentorship" in ancient times, too!  An older man to a younger one.

 

What's wrong with two men kissing each other?

[Argus]

12 hours ago, Smallc said:

So, is the US a part of NATO, or not?  You're not making any sense.

Given Trump's mentality, I can see him pulling out of NATO and then saying he'll form a new defensive pact only with those countries which show they're willing to put up the necessary assets to make a real contribution to a joint defense. Canada is not the only slacker in NATO. Most of them are slackers, including the Germans. 

[Smallc]

Well, the world has been a pretty safe place for a couple of decades - it's very understandable.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Smallc said:

Well, the world has been a pretty safe place for a couple of decades - it's very understandable.

And now it's not. Think Canada will double it's spending on the military? I don't.

[Rue]

Since Putin came to power the first time, he has re-opened the cold war. He has continued to increase and arm nuclear weapons across his borders. He claims it was in response to NATO expansion.

Obama in his 8 years in office, allowed Putin to escalate one sided nuclear weapons accumulation with no direct response and Putin took that as a blatant weakness and it escalated his build up even further.

Obama at one point threatened unilaterally to disclose secret nuclear locations in France an Britain to Putin for a peace agreement. In so doing Obama signalled NATO and Europe they were not his ally anymore and that along with the monumental fiasco with ISIL in L ibya and Syria empowered Putin even further.

Obama pulled the US from world stage allowing Iran, Russia, North Korea, Russia, the Muslim Brotherhood, free reign. He openly cpurted Hezbollah and Hamas He openly insulted the Prime Ministers of India, France and Britain over the Middle East and Libya. He openly insulted Harper over Keystone.

Obama created a world leadership vacuum that has direcely  empowered China and Russia into an alliance both militarily and based on oil.

So now what happens. Trump probably will  use his Secretary of State and Exxon oil connections to bribe Putin into submission which is what it looks like will happen...you pacify the Russian mob with oil development money and Putin will stop yapping...but.... the up-coming war economically and maybe even on the ground would be with China not Russia.

China's  expansion in the Pacific and in the Middle East is real and it is an immediate economic threat to the entire world's banking systems as well as a physical threat to  India, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Australia, New Zealand and Indonesia and indirectly through its proxy Iran,  a threat t Saudi Arabia and the Sunni monarch gulf oil states.

China has a military treaty with both Israel and Iran and as long as that holds up Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia which rely on Israel to buffer Iran will sit it out with Israel as none of them trust Russia or the US at this point.

if China and the US duke it out over oil and other world market issues, having the former head of Exxon deal with his OPEC buddies may help  Trump to dictate what happens to China.

In terms of nuclear weapons Trump's only problem is he has no business going on twitter let alone discussing outloud the nuclear situation. It is no secret Obama has endangered the entire Western world by allowing Putin to do what he wants but  Trump needs to learn to get the phack off of twitter and not discuss such things. Such talk belongs  behind closed doors. The fact is  Obama has left whoever was the next President, Demo or Republican facing the empowered Putin and China who  who feasted on Obama's weaknesses and sheer incompetence.

Trump has put military people right back into office to signal Putin. That was no clumsy coincidence.  He's no different than Putin showing him he is just as macho (surrounded by tough military  guys).

What you are going to see are too men with large egos, small penises, and very very narcissistic personalities butt heads but engage in this false macho au macho kind of brinksmanship but make no mistake the West has no choice but to upgrade its nukes. They are completely antiquated. You can blame Obama for not updating them slowly and quietly.

MAD? Mutual armed destruction might have actually made sense when the world was divided into West v. Russia. It no longer is. Too many nations have nuke weapons now and more important any nut case can make a dirty bomb and even more important, germ warfare is highly more efficient than nukes in that it leaves the infrastructure behind and only kills the people. Russia has far more nuke capacity than the US in Europe but it can barely feed its conventional army.

Putin is a dangerous megalomaniac. As dangerous as Stalin, Hitler, etc. He has the profile of a classic sociopath. If the US finds itself up against him my bet is Donald Trump has a heart attack and dies of natural  causes and they go with Pence if he does not put that twitter way.. If Trump does not stop with his twitter nonsense he will find himself dying of natural causes very soon.

This is serious crap and the real target is China not Russia. Putin is a side attraction and so is the Russian mob. If the Mob makes money its happy and will keep Putin under control. It is China we have to watch. Trump is gonna go big time head to head with them and how and when well it will start will probably be over a bank collapse in Italy and then  over unpaid debts to China and quickly escalate to high seas dramas off the coast of Vietnam and the Philippines, Japan and/or Taiwan, and maybe even a flare up off the coast of South Korea.

 

Edited December 23, 2016 by Rue

[Smallc]

32 minutes ago, Argus said:

And now it's not. Think Canada will double it's spending on the military? I don't.

I expect a small increase due to pressure from our allies.  Our security situation really hasn't changed.  And yes, the world is still the safest it's ever been - it simply has the potential to not be.

[Rue]

2 hours ago, WestCoastRunner said:

What's wrong with two men kissing each other?

....well let me spell it out then.....in this specific case the problem wil arise when they excite each  other and then both want to  unilaterally place their missiles in a certain location.

.Do I have to explain it further?

Edited December 23, 2016 by Rue

[Wilber]

14 hours ago, Derek 2.0 said:

 

 

Not naive at all.......if Putin wants to invade the Baltic States, and the Americans don't "care", and the remainder of NATO doesn't "care" (demonstrated by their defense spending), why should we care?

 

........When Putin invaded Georgia and the Crimea.....did it honestly effect your day-to-day life?

 

 

Who says they don't care. What if the NATO forces in the Baltic states do fight back? What then?

So does the rest of the world stand by and watch while Russia moves back into all the independent states that were formerly part of the Russian then Soviet Empire. If so, who is next? Russia and Turkey may be bosom buddies right now but Russia has always had designs on Turkey and unrestricted access to the Mediterranean. They have gone to war eleven times in the last 300 years. In 1829 the Russians were almost at the gates of Istanbul until a British fleet moved into the Bosporous and blocked them, resulting in a treaty. Better relations between Russia and Turkey are a good thing but the Turks are kidding themselves if they think that dream isn't still alive.

Edited December 23, 2016 by Wilber

[Rue]

1 hour ago, Smallc said:

Well, the world has been a pretty safe place for a couple of decades - it's very understandable.

Wow. Talk about engaging in an elitist perspective. Try living in the  conflict zones of Africa, the Middle East,  Asia, on and on.