Should a Murderer be allowed to keep his job?

[Boges]

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/12/05/neurosurgeons-arrest-in-murder-leaves-patients-hanging

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TORONTO - The murder of Dr. Elana Fric-Shamji has rocked not just the medical profession.

Her husband, Dr. Mohammed Shamji, a skilled neurosurgeon, now stands accused of her murder - and patients who’d hoped for rare, life-altering surgery are scrambling to find care. 

Erika Crawford, 21, was supposed to get delicate surgery for a rare condition, Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, a genetic disorder that weakens connective tissues in many of the body’s systems. EDS sucks collagen from the body, leaving people susceptible to loose joints, stretchy skin, spinal problems and ever-increasing pain.

The Crawfords have spent $200,000 on care in the U.S. with Dr. Fraser Henderson in Maryland, one of the few neurosurgeons capable of performing the surgery.

Shamji had worked closely with Henderson to learn the techniques, and Erika and her family had hoped she’d be able to get care here - on OHIP.

They got a call from University Health Network (UHN) at 4 p.m. Friday cancelling the surgery, citing “a family emergency.”

Erika’s dad, Darren, got a call later that evening, linking the cancellation to the murder suspect.

 

Because he has such a specialized skill, it'll be hard to replace what he does. He still has to go to jail, but can he be given the choice to continue his practice even if he has had his freedom outside the Operating Room revoked? 

Or would this be considered slave labour? 

[dialamah]

No, if he is convicted he should not be allowed to keep practicing medicine.  Once exposed to the prison atmosphere for a time, he will become less able to function in a non-prison environment, may well develop PTSD and I would not want such a person performing surgery.

[The_Squid]

Until he is convicted, he is innocent.  Once he is convicted, he will be in the clink and unable to perform surgeries.

[Rue]

It is an interesting ethical issue. The problem now though is could you guarantee in his current head state he could do a proper job? 

Edited December 9, 2016 by Rue

[Guest]

I guess one could leave that to the patients.  If ever there was a case for an exploding ankle bracelet, this is it.

[bush_cheney2004]

What's the big deal ?  Just schedule the surgery with the U.S. surgeon as was done before.   I can't believe that access to competent, specialized neurosurgery pivots on the alleged homicide and arrest of one trainee doctor in Canada.

[Guest]

Your Neurosurgeon works for HUD now.

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Your Neurosurgeon works for HUD now.

 

Not yet....late January.   Plenty more where he came from....probably some from Canada too (brain drain).

[Omni]

It's a very interesting ethical issue, but I think if he has this rather elite skill, he should be allowed to apply it if he is willing. If convicted he must of course pay his debt to society, but someone who's well being may require his skill shouldn't have to suffer if he is able and willing to aid them. Plus it would probably be more interesting than sitting around playing cribbage with the other inmates.

[Michael Hardner]

Should a murderer be allowed to keep his job?  I f his job happens to be murdering then: yes, absolutely.

[cybercoma]

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Should a murderer be allowed to keep his job?  I f his job happens to be murdering then: yes, absolutely.

Some people are paid handsomely to be murderers, like cops in the United States who make it a sport to kill black people.

[Michael Hardner]

That is not in their job description, and it's provocative to suggest so.

[cybercoma]

39 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

That is not in their job description, and it's provocative to suggest so.

Lots of things are expected of employees that are not in their job descriptions.

[Michael Hardner]

Are expected to=passive voice

Who - according to you - expects that?

[Bob Macadoo]

14 hours ago, Omni said:

It's a very interesting for wentsue, but I think if he ha s this rather elite skill, he should be allowed to apply it if he is willing. If convicted he must of course pay his debt to society, but someone who's well being may require his skill shouldn't have to suffer if he is able and willing to aid them. Plus it would probably be more interesting than sitting around playing cribbage with the other inmates.

Should this be considered in sentencing.....that he waived the ability to have some  time served in order to complete these scheduled surgeries?

[Omni]

1 hour ago, Bob Macadoo said:

Should this be considered in sentencing.....that he waived the ability to have some  time served in order to complete these scheduled surgeries?

I don't think it should provide him any benefit at sentencing, "if you did the crime you must do the time" but down the road, his efforts should be considered as part of parole considerations.

[H10]

Innocent until proven guilty, but since doctors work with such a vulnerable segment of society, probably best he be put on paid leave until the issue is resolved.

[Guest]

On 2016-12-10 at 10:04 AM, cybercoma said:

Some people are paid handsomely to be murderers, like cops in the United States who make it a sport to kill black people.

I don't think they are that well paid. 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, hernanday said:

Innocent until proven guilty, but since doctors work with such a vulnerable segment of society, probably best he be put on paid leave until the issue is resolved.

What if you were the one with the tumor, waiting for him to operate?

Let him pay his debt anyway that benefits society.

[H10]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

What if you were the one with the tumor, waiting for him to operate?

Let him pay his debt anyway that benefits society.

Then he would be on paid leave, he wouldn't operate, do you understand that he would not be there operating?

[Guest]

Just now, hernanday said:

Then he would be on paid leave, he wouldn't operate, do you understand that he would not be there operating?

Well, my point was against the paid leave option.

[H10]

19 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Well, my point was against the paid leave option.

Why are you against paid leave, he is not seeing patients, he is on leave.  He is not guilty either, or not proven guilty, it is just all alegations at this point, so it would be wrong to strip him of his income for something the courts haven't found him guilty of.

[Guest]

I was for him continuing to practice.  If he wanted to, of course.

[dre]

Sounds like he hasnt been found guilty of anything. If hes not a flight risk he should be let out on bail and allowed to work.