Argus Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 We know that Kathleen Wynne's government is utterly corrupt, as well as incompetent, and has never seen an ethic they can't stomp on, but isn't Justin Trudeau supposed to be the bright shiny pony who does things different? Of course, once he imported all those Ontario Liberals to work for him you know what road they'd soon be going down, and it seems they too are now selling access to the PM and his cabinet for this with enough cash to have little private meetings. Is it a conflict of interest for a minister to sell his time to those he is enforcing rules and regulations over? Of course, though you'll never get them to admit it. The Achilles heel of the federal Liberals has always been they'd do anything for money. It looks like Trudeau's government is sticking to the old time ways. Is no one in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s office paying attention to what is going on in Ontario? Here we have Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne backed into a corner and forced to reform her province’s political financing laws because of the conflicts of interest exposed in her party’s cash-for-access scheme. And now Mr. Trudeau’s party is committing the same sin, as if the subject never came up before. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/with-cash-for-access-justin-trudeau-picks-up-where-kathleen-wynne-left-off/article32464117/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 5 hours ago, Argus said: We know that Kathleen Wynne's government is utterly corrupt, as well as incompetent, and has never seen an ethic they can't stomp on, but isn't Justin Trudeau supposed to be the bright shiny pony who does things different? Of course, once he imported all those Ontario Liberals to work for him you know what road they'd soon be going down, and it seems they too are now selling access to the PM and his cabinet for this with enough cash to have little private meetings. Is it a conflict of interest for a minister to sell his time to those he is enforcing rules and regulations over? Of course, though you'll never get them to admit it. The Achilles heel of the federal Liberals has always been they'd do anything for money. It looks like Trudeau's government is sticking to the old time ways. Is no one in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s office paying attention to what is going on in Ontario? Here we have Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne backed into a corner and forced to reform her province’s political financing laws because of the conflicts of interest exposed in her party’s cash-for-access scheme. And now Mr. Trudeau’s party is committing the same sin, as if the subject never came up before. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/with-cash-for-access-justin-trudeau-picks-up-where-kathleen-wynne-left-off/article32464117/ Cash for access - it's like Hillary and Bill! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Just now, betsy said: Cash for access - it's like Hillary and Bill! No, it actually isn't given neither was in power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Argus said: No, it actually isn't given neither was in power. She was in power. Back in July, Democratic presidential nominee and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said, "there is absolutely no connection between anything that I did as secretary of state and the Clinton Foundation.” On Monday of this week, ABC’s Liz Kreutzer reminded people of that statement, as a new batch of emails reveal that there was a connection, and it was cash. As the emails, recovered by the public-interest law firm Judicial Watch, demonstrate, people who made donations to the Clinton Foundation got preferential treatment, and access, at the State Department when Hillary was Secretary of State: The Abedin emails reveal that the longtime Clinton aide apparently served as a conduit between Clinton Foundation donors and Hillary Clinton while Clinton served as secretary of state. In more than a dozen email exchanges, Abedin provided expedited, direct access to Clinton for donors who had contributed from $25,000 to $10 million to the Clinton Foundation. In many instances, Clinton Foundation top executive Doug Band, who worked with the Foundation throughout Hillary Clinton’s tenure at State, coordinated closely with Abedin. In Abedin’s June deposition to Judicial Watch, she conceded that part of her job at the State Department was taking care of “Clinton family matters." http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/08/24/clinton-foundation-emails-donations-server-payforplay-trump-glenn-reynolds/89205512/ Pardon me Argus, but given your acceptance of Clinton's corruptions (plural form) - why are you picking on our PM? Uh....that doesn't sound right. Let me rephrase that: it's hard to take your outrage seriously when you don't think there's anything wrong that the Clintons are at it. Edited October 21, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 5 hours ago, Argus said: We know that Kathleen Wynne's government is utterly corrupt, as well as incompetent, and has never seen an ethic they can't stomp on, but isn't Justin Trudeau supposed to be the bright shiny pony who does things different? Of course, once he imported all those Ontario Liberals to work for him you know what road they'd soon be going down, and it seems they too are now selling access to the PM and his cabinet for this with enough cash to have little private meetings. Is it a conflict of interest for a minister to sell his time to those he is enforcing rules and regulations over? Of course, though you'll never get them to admit it. The Achilles heel of the federal Liberals has always been they'd do anything for money. It looks like Trudeau's government is sticking to the old time ways. Is no one in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s office paying attention to what is going on in Ontario? Here we have Liberal Premier Kathleen Wynne backed into a corner and forced to reform her province’s political financing laws because of the conflicts of interest exposed in her party’s cash-for-access scheme. And now Mr. Trudeau’s party is committing the same sin, as if the subject never came up before. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/with-cash-for-access-justin-trudeau-picks-up-where-kathleen-wynne-left-off/article32464117/ If true, this is deplorable! I think the Liberals can get away with anything..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 23 minutes ago, betsy said: She was in power. She was in power for four years, and the money was not given to her but to a charitable foundation. Do you not understand the difference in how money given to a political campaign motivates a politician vs money given to a charitable foundation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Don't tell me the Clintons are not getting rich off that foundation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Argus said: She was in power for four years, and the money was not given to her but to a charitable foundation. Do you not understand the difference in how money given to a political campaign motivates a politician vs money given to a charitable foundation? Let's get back to your topic, Argus. Yes, I'm outraged as you are, if this is true. But like I've said, due to the current clime in this country, I think the Liberals can get away with anything. Edited October 21, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 minute ago, PIK said: Don't tell me the Clintons are not getting rich off that foundation. There's no evidence they are or have. They've been hounded to death for decades by far right Republican hit squads and you can be sure every single line on ever document the foundation is required to file with the government is gone over with a fine tooth comb, including the use of private investigators to verify the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Argus said: There's no evidence they are or have. They've been hounded to death for decades by far right Republican hit squads and you can be sure every single line on ever document the foundation is required to file with the government is gone over with a fine tooth comb, including the use of private investigators to verify the truth. Even if it's for the benefit of the Clinton Foundation - donation to the foundation in exchange for access, is still, access for cash! Whether they got rich through it or not, is not the point. No one should use their political position in exchange for anything! That's corruption! Edited October 21, 2016 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, PIK said: Don't tell me the Clintons are not getting rich off that foundation. So show some proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 2 hours ago, betsy said: Even if it's for the benefit of the Clinton Foundation - donation to the foundation in exchange for access, is still, access for cash! Whether they got rich through it or not, is not the point. No one should use their political position in exchange for anything! That's corruption! Take it to a US topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 (edited) She tried to get back to your topic, and you insisted on more Bill and Hilary info, are you sure you're done now with the Clintons? At any rate, nobody will care what Trudeau does for at least another year. What proved this for me was when it came out that there was no recession leading up to the election. Shortly after this news, the Trudeau administration let it out that they were no longer going to go into deficit the promised 10 billion per year. They increased it to 20-30 billion per year. I think the media cheered, but at any rate, nobody cared. Edited October 22, 2016 by sharkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 I can't even understand what you just said above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 6 hours ago, sharkman said: She tried to get back to your topic, and you insisted on more Bill and Hilary info, are you sure you're done now with the Clintons? At any rate, nobody will care what Trudeau does for at least another year. What proved this for me was when it came out that there was no recession leading up to the election. Shortly after this news, the Trudeau administration let it out that they were no longer going to go into deficit the promised 10 billion per year. They increased it to 20-30 billion per year. I think the media cheered, but at any rate, nobody cared. Liberals just gotta be Liberals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 The Trudeau Liberals are ignoring their own ethical guidelines, which apparently are overseen only by Trudeau himself. And now, as reporters start looking into attendees, it looks like they're not all that careful about other conflict of interest rules either. Sources have also told The Globe that questions have been raised within the port authority about the “self-evident” potential conflict of interest of having Mr. Spatz sit on the board. “The [Conflict of Interest] Act is a very instructive piece of legislation,” one port authority source said. “You don’t have to read very far into the act.” Halifax Port Authority Appointee and Conflict of Interest Goodbye to Open and Accountable Government. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has decided it no longer applies. Liberals Shrug off Ethical Guidelines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 I blame Harper and the Conservatives for leaving such a toothless Accountability Act in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Just now, eyeball said: I blame Harper and the Conservatives for leaving such a toothless Accountability Act in place. I mean, that's part of it. Harper had nearly a decade plus a majority mandate to enact better accountability laws and didn't. But seriously, screw Trudeau for not taking accountability seriously. And why would he? The Liberals have a history of milking entitlements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Meet the new Liberals, same as the Old Liberals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Same as the old and new Conservatives too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 24, 2016 Report Share Posted October 24, 2016 I'd say the Liberals are even better at wielding power. More ruthless and better at conning people than Conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted November 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 So do you want to open a new bank in Canada? Just donate some money to the Liberal party of Canada, and presto, you get your bank licence, courtesy of the shiny pony who was going to be so clean and pure. And if you happen to be the Chinese Communist Party, hey, putting in some extra cash for the Trudeau Foundation is bound to catch the Shiny Pony's attention. After all he admires the way the Chinese government operates. Just weeks after the May fundraiser, the Trudeau Foundation and the university announced that Mr. Zhang, who is also president of the China Cultural Industry Association, and another wealthy Chinese businessman, Niu Gensheng, would donate $1-million to the University of Montreal and the Trudeau Foundation “to honour the memory and leadership” of the former prime minister, who opened diplomatic relations with China in 1970. Of the $1-million endowment, $200,000 went to the Trudeau Foundation, $50,000 will pay for the statue of the elder Mr. Trudeau, and $750,000 will fund University of Montreal Faculty of Law scholarships, which include grants for Quebec students to visit China. The China Cultural Industry Association, which is supervised and regulated by two Chinese state ministries, aims to build international ties for Beijing. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-attended-cash-for-access-fundraiser-with-chinese-billionaires/article32971362/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 On 10/24/2016 at 11:45 AM, eyeball said: I'd say the Liberals are even better at wielding power. More ruthless and better at conning people than Conservatives. Agreed. Their considerate, generous application of lube to all of us before the thorough rogering is much appreciated. though I don't like having to pay for both.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 On 10/24/2016 at 11:10 AM, eyeball said: I blame Harper and the Conservatives for leaving such a toothless Accountability Act in place. You could save the waste of many pixels by just repeating "I blame Harper" over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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