Canadian Immigration

[taxme]

6 minutes ago, -TSS- said:

How can there be illegal immigrants in Canada anyway? Is it because there is a new boss in the neighbouring country directing the flow elsewhere as that is the only way those illegal immigrants can possibly enter Canada?

Namely, they are unlikely to come from the North-Pole nor Russia nor crossing the Atlantic on rickety boats is as easy as crossing the Mediterraneann

"How can there be illegal immigrants in Canada anyway" you say? Are you trying to kid every one here? They are crossing into Canada from America by the thousands. 1600 since February and March, and no doubt more too come. That is a criminal illegal act. Those illegal criminals have a choice. Take the next plane back from whence they came. Don't go blaming Trump for what our PM done. JT invited them in, and he helped them break the law. JT is complicit in a crime being committed here in Canada. 

I thank gawd that Canada is not a part of Europe. Otherwise JT we would possibly be looking at hundreds of thousands of illegals entering Canada. Liberals and liberalism is bad for any country that wishes to keep it's culture and traditions alive and well. 

[taxme]

13 minutes ago, Argus said:

There have been illegals in Canada for decades. They come on work visas or student visas or visitor visas and simply don't leave. Or they come as refugees, their claims are denied, and they disappear into the woodwork.

If Canada had politicians who cared about Canada, and were not oh so pro-multicultural, and politically correct, they would have done a better job of stopping all these criminal illegals from entering Canada. It would be a great make work project if we had patriotic politicians who would hire an extra thousand immigration officers who's only job would be was to hunt down illegals, and kick them out of Canada. But as long as we have liberals running this country, things unfortunately will only get worse. Way the go all of the liberal people out there who voted for trudeau. You are the bigger problem here because you put that fool of a PM into the big seat. Hopefully, in another couple of years he will be history and gone. 

[Omni]

20 minutes ago, taxme said:

That is a criminal illegal act. Those illegal criminals have a choice.

I'd like to see your "proof" of this illegal act, because it is not. At least not until and unless their claim of refugee status is shown to be invalid. 

[blackbird]

45 minutes ago, Omni said:

I'd like to see your "proof" of this illegal act, because it is not. At least not until and unless their claim of refugee status is shown to be invalid. 

There are estimated between 50,000 and over 100,000 illegals in Canada.  How is it that people who came in and stayed in Canada without papers, or without any legal status are not committing an illegal act?

Is this illegal occupation of Canada being encouraged by cities in Canada that declare themselves as sanctuary cities?  Is it being encouraged by Trudeau who openly invited migrants to come in?

Edited April 22, 2017 by blackbird

[Omni]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There are estimated between 50,000 and 150,000 illegals in Canada.  How is it that people who came in and stayed in Canada without papers, or without any legal status are committing an illegal act?

Some may well be here illegally however my point was that, as had been suggested in previous posts, that simply crossing the border as a refugee is somehow automatically illegal. The Immigration and Refugee Protection Act is one, but not the only, piece of legislation which offers protection.

[hot enough]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

If Canada had politicians who cared about Canada, and were not oh so pro-multicultural, and politically correct, they would have done a better job of stopping all these criminal illegals from entering Canada.

If Canada had politicians who cared about Canada, they would be planning another genocide like John A McGenocide.

[dre]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

Then why the cover up? Why have the RCMP and the media stopped reporting on how many of these illegal criminals are entering Canada? 

So far for 2017 10 billion tax dollars have blown on legal and illegal immigration. By the years end who knows how much it is going to cost the Canadian taxpayer's? And you think that this is alright?  No wonder Canada is in trouble with attitudes like "LOL, yeah? 

Yes yes... the great liberal media conspiracy... now joined by the police.

[dre]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

Demonstrably true. But I don't expect a coherent discussion to involve you.

I know! You can only have coherent discussions with voices in your head. You haven't demonstrated anything at all... you pointed out a single study that focuses on net tax reciepts, but an elementary student could tell you that's only one small part of the picture. If you want to "demonstrate" something, then you'll need to do a bit more than that. Youll need to take into account the demand for every single kind of product and service generated by a growing population, and the macro economic effects of that over time.

You tried to like and say your cited "study" took all those factors into account, but then you couldn't show anyone where, when challenged. Its just a bunch of internet turrets syndrome. Baaah! SJW! Bcheaaaach! Ultra leftist!!! Bwoootot! Immigrants attacking the very fabric of our society!

Meanwhile on planet earth... We have among the highest standards of life of any society in human history. We have near record highs in employment. Both GDP and per capital GDP are through the roof. Life expectancy is relatively high. Infant mortality rates are relatively low. Murder and violent crime are receding. The streets are safe.

 

But never mind all that! Btawapaaaaat! The sky is falling! The immigrants are coming to kill us, and the vast liberal media conspiracy is trying help them!

Edited April 23, 2017 by dre

[Argus]

15 hours ago, dre said:

I know! You can only have coherent discussions with voices in your head. You haven't demonstrated anything at all... you pointed out a single study that focuses on net tax reciepts, but an elementary student could tell you that's only one small part of the picture.

You social justice warriors can continue to blather on with you inane love of different cultures and societies and how wonderful it will be when Canada is like the United Nations, with vast hordes of foreigners elbowing each other for space in our enormously overcrowded cities, but Canadians aren't going to buy it. We see the public housing projects filled with immigrants and refugees. We see the crime roles filled with immigrants. We see the gang violence in our streets, almost entirely done by ethnic groups fed by immigration, and we see the statistics on poor economic outcomes from immigrants, and we're not buying your rapturous pursuit of whatever is the most shiny in your tiny brains.

15 hours ago, dre said:

.Baaah! SJW! Bcheaaaach! Ultra leftist!!! Bwoootot! Immigrants attacking the very fabric of our society!

But never mind all that! Btawapaaaaat! The sky is falling! The immigrants are coming to kill us, and the vast liberal media conspiracy is trying help them!

Thanks for so ably demonstrating both your level of maturity and your intellect. I would imagine that in an open, staged debate before an audience this would be most impressive. I have higher standards, however. And your inability to present any argument in favor of our present immigration system, numbers or economic viability other than broad, amorphous suppositions on how immigrants somehow improve the economy, even though you can't produce any kind of reports or studies that say so, just makes me pity you.

[eyeball]

I think the argument for allowing more refugees is that its what Jesus would do - economics is clearly something Jesus had little time or patience for as evidenced by his disdain for banksters.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

I think the argument for allowing more refugees is that its what Jesus would do - economics is clearly something Jesus had little time or patience for as evidenced by his disdain for banksters.

If you can turn water into wine you can turn rocks into cash. Who needs economics?

Edited April 23, 2017 by bcsapper

[eyeball]

Nobody can turn water into wine and rocks into cash. That's just silly.

[hot enough]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Nobody can turn water into wine and rocks into cash. That's just silly.

That's just bcs. He never says anything of any substance. When he does try, it's studied deception, which he is terrible at too.

Edited April 23, 2017 by hot enough

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, hot enough said:

That's just bcs. He never says anything of any substance. When he does try, it's studied deception, which he is terrible at too.

Nice edit. At least I irritate you. That's worth getting out of bed for.  

[hot enough]

37 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Nice edit. At least I irritate you. That's worth getting out of bed for.  

And that only illustrates and reinforces that you are not the least bit interested in actually ever discussing anything in a serious fashion. 

[Michael Hardner]

18 hours ago, dre said:

 

Meanwhile on planet earth... We have among the highest standards of life of any society in human history. We have near record highs in employment. Both GDP and per capital GDP are through the roof. Life expectancy is relatively high. Infant mortality rates are relatively low. Murder and violent crime are receding. The streets are safe.

 

Thanks for a sober and substantive post.  Internet bleating doesn't equate to problems for all of us, it's just noise.

[Hydraboss]

On 4/22/2017 at 3:02 PM, Omni said:

simply crossing the border as a refugee is somehow automatically illegal

So, a question:  Are these border jumpers "detained" or "arrested"?  If they're arrested, that would mean they have broken a law (hence: illegal).  Do tell.

 

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 Internet bleating doesn't equate to problems for all of us, it's just noise.

Just so you and I are on the same page with regards to impartiality....are you not the same person that stated in another thread that you earn a living from "teaching new comers to Canada"??  If you are, then you have more of a vested interest in this type of "immigration" than the majority of us posting here.

 

For clarity's sake.

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, Hydraboss said:

So, a question:  Are these border jumpers "detained" or "arrested"?  If they're arrested, that would mean they have broken a law (hence: illegal).  Do tell.

They have not broken a law if they have what is deemed as a valid refugee claim.

[Michael Hardner]

28 minutes ago, Hydraboss said:

Just so you and I are on the same page with regards to impartiality....are you not the same person that stated in another thread that you earn a living from "teaching new comers to Canada"??  If you are, then you have more of a vested interest in this type of "immigration" than the majority of us posting here.

 

For clarity's sake.

No, but I expect people to take their personal interests into account when forming opinions.

[Argus]

4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Thanks for a sober and substantive post.  Internet bleating doesn't equate to problems for all of us, it's just noise.

I love how our moderator participates in discussions these days largely by posting snotty insults.

Edited April 23, 2017 by Argus

[Michael Hardner]

5 minutes ago, Argus said:

I love how our moderator participates in discussions these days largely by posting snotty insults.

I'm sorry you're offended but you're inferring an insult to yourself while I was just speaking generally.

[Argus]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

I'm sorry you're offended but you're inferring an insult to yourself while I was just speaking generally.

Riiiiiight. Of course you were.

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Riiiiiight. Of course you were.

So, you think you bleat?  

[taxme]

On 4/22/2017 at 1:13 PM, Omni said:

I'd like to see your "proof" of this illegal act, because it is not. At least not until and unless their claim of refugee status is shown to be invalid. 

Are you kidding me? A person enters a country illegally, and you don 't think that it is criminal? Wow, no wonder Canada is in trouble. According to Faith Goldy of The Rebel has said that not one of these illegals has been charged with anything yet. What the hell? Enter Canada illegally and no one is charged? What kind of country are we living in where one can enter illegally and not be charged? This shouting refugee to try and get to stay in Canada needs to be halted. Either you want your country to have laws and have your police force enforce them or why bother have any laws at all? Just open the border gates and let the whole world in. And I am pretty sure that JT might just like to make that so. 

[Argus]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

So, you think you bleat?  

Given he was congratulating someone who was responding to me - a response which contained no relevant information and just more blithering social justice warrior drool, and given in the last two days he has repeatedly about people posting unpleasant things about Muslims it's not much of a leap.

 

 

Edited April 24, 2017 by Argus