Canadian Immigration

[eyeball]

I assume you are bright enough to understand that your logic is complete nonsense if taken to absurd extremes...

Your argument appears to be that things will automatically be taken to or default to the extremes you leap to.

This is why my naive analysis is so lacking.

FIFY Edited August 27, 2016 by eyeball

[TimG]

However, because *everyone* has more money to spend, people who have never been to my company start purchasing our product.

My argument is not that revenue would be static but that revenue gains would never make up for the extra wages. In your scenario, you made the incorrect assumption overhead is not a function of sales. In most businesses the more they sell they more they have to buy (i.e. more ingredients for food). If you assume the non-labour costs increase at the same rate as sales then the company would need an 9% increase in sales to make the same profit as it did before. The 10% increase you assumed would leave them with only $50 additional profit - not the $500 that you assumed.

And that math does not take into account that a 10% increase in wages is actually an 11% increase in costs to the employeer because of CPP, EI and worker comp. Once you add in those costs the $50 of extra profit is gone and the business may be making the same money but its profit margin has dropped.

But a 10% increase in sales from an across the board 10% wage increase is also the best case expectation. Most businesses would not see that level of extra business and would see their profits drop. But, more importantly, minimum wage workers are only about 5% of the work force so a 10% bump minimum wage could never produce more than a 0.5% increase in business yet 100% of the cost of the increase has to be paid out. The net result is the company starts losing money unless it cuts its labour costs by improving productivity (i.e. minimum wage workers lose jobs and/or hours).

Now there are a lot of assumptions in the above and you can tweek them to make them look a little better but there are no reasonable assumptions that are going to make businesses better off than before the mandated hike UNLESS they cut their costs or increase prices. Cutting costs often means jobs.

Edited August 27, 2016 by TimG

[CITIZEN_2015]

The last I heard Caucasian make up about 8-9% of world population. If so, you are way out of whack. So, in effect white people are in the minority if you want to take in world population. Flooding white countries with more non-whites than whites will make those numbers drop even further. I am not for that. I want my grandchildren to see and know that they were born and brought up in a white country with a white culture, with white morals and values and principles, not non-white ones. Why you or anyone else want to see the white people in this country become a minority is beyond me.

Europe and North America altogether totally about one billion. This is much more than 8-9% unless you have a more specific definition of Caucasian (like those with blonde hair and blue eyes only). Regardless as why we don't care whether while people are minority or majority is because we don't see any difference between whites and non-whites. As I said we don't judge people based on skin color but the size of heart and minds and this is the right and human way of seeing people. Under the skin we are all the same. White people don't have extra brain or more brain cells, extra heart or more blood. And yes contrary to what you may believe white morals and values too are no better or worse than non-whites. They both have their goods and bads. Some may say drunkenness, drugs, lack of family attachments, immorality like pre-marital sex and incest, hatred for mankind, bigotry (yeah Hitler and fascist movements were/are all whites) are more widespread among whites while non-whites have faults of their own. But there are plenty of good associated with both as well. No difference overall.

[dialamah]

I realize that ideologues want to live in a fantasy where money grows on trees and everyone gets a pony but we live in the real world and any policy comes with negative consequences. Denying these consequences does not make them less real.

I found your response interesting and informative, till you had to throw in this insult. Disagreement about something doesn't mean someone is living in a fantasy. So long, Tim.

[TimG]

I found your response interesting and informative, till you had to throw in this insult. Disagreement about something doesn't mean someone is living in a fantasy. So long, Tim.

I apologize. It was uncalled for. I was in a bad mode. Edited August 27, 2016 by TimG

[dialamah]

I apologize. It was uncalled for. I was in a bad mode.

All right then. Your post made some good points, and gives me something to think about. Thanks for that.

[Big Guy]

The last three posts indicate that there is hope for this site. Nice to see civility break out - for that reason I will continue to follow this.

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Anyone think we will see an increase in European immigrants in Canada?

[Guest]

I gained a little weight over my vacation...

[Argus]

Anyone think we will see an increase in European immigrants in Canada?

Canada doesn't recruit in Europe. It assigns a given number of applications to various embassies in the world, and not that many are handed out to its European embassies. Even then, they're only given to a few individual embassies with visa offices. For example, you can't apply at your embassy in Germany or Hungary, you have to apply at Vienna. There's none in Greece. You have to apply in Rome. And you can't apply in any of the Nordic countries or Ireland. You have to apply in London.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Anyone think we will see an increase in European immigrants in Canada?

In my trip to Europe last year I met many Eastern Europeans (Russians in particular) who wished to come and settle in Canada (because of better prospects not because they loved cold weather), but won't be even granted a short visitor visa by Canada.

[-TSS-]

Anyone think we will see an increase in European immigrants in Canada?

Very difficult for Europeans to move to Canada. The much-vaunted points based system concerns mainly Europeans.

[taxme]

Anyone think we will see an increase in European immigrants in Canada?

Not if the present day pro-non-white immigration Zionist pushers have their way. White hating politicians, special-interest immigration groups and immigration lawyers are all for making Canada become a non-white majority by 2040. Where Canada once took most of it's new immigrants from Britain, Europe and Australia, now Canada is getting most of it's new immigrants, approx. 80-85%, from non-white countries. A recipe for racial suicide if this is allowed to continue. Unfortunately for Caucasian Canada, who are always asleep at the switch, will see their country become a third world cesspool. And fortunately for the non-white pushers, Canada is well on it's way to the multicultural paradise that the white haters are hoping for.

[taxme]

In my trip to Europe last year I met many Eastern Europeans (Russians in particular) who wished to come and settle in Canada (because of better prospects not because they loved cold weather), but won't be even granted a short visitor visa by Canada.

The problem with those Russians and other Europeans who want to immigrate to Canada today is that if they are Caucasian their chances are very slim. Canada does not want Caucasians to immigrate here anymore. An agenda and program created and implemented by the pro-non-white Zionist pushers back in the early sixties who were allowed to change our immigration policy in favoring more non-white immigrants, and less white immigrants. Canada now gets approx. 80-85% of it's new immigrants from the third world. A recipe for racial suicide if there ever was one.

[taxme]

Very difficult for Europeans to move to Canada. The much-vaunted points based system concerns mainly Europeans.

Canada does not really want white immigrants to come to Canada anymore. And this is plainly obvious as most of our new immigrants today are coming from the non-white world. Approx. 80-85% of our new immigrants are coming from the non-white world as a matter of fact. And this has been going on since the early sixties when our immigration policy was changed to favor of more non-white immigration and less white immigration. Sad indeed.

[taxme]

Canada doesn't recruit in Europe. It assigns a given number of applications to various embassies in the world, and not that many are handed out to its European embassies. Even then, they're only given to a few individual embassies with visa offices. For example, you can't apply at your embassy in Germany or Hungary, you have to apply at Vienna. There's none in Greece. You have to apply in Rome. And you can't apply in any of the Nordic countries or Ireland. You have to apply in London.

I wonder if that works also for non-whites as well because for some unknown no doubt political reason more non-whites are immigrating to Canada than whites. I see a conspiracy going on here against white people being able to immigrate to Canada. Hey, you never know.

[taxme]

I gained a little weight over my vacation...

So, what's your point?

[CITIZEN_2015]

Canada does not really want white immigrants to come to Canada anymore. And this is plainly obvious as most of our new immigrants today are coming from the non-white world. Approx. 80-85% of our new immigrants are coming from the non-white world as a matter of fact. And this has been going on since the early sixties when our immigration policy was changed to favor of more non-white immigration and less white immigration. Sad indeed.

Rather than making it a Zionist conspiracy as you said in one of your post (or aliens from other planets among us in human form trying to take over our planet) I think the reality is that Canada wants to be fair in immigration and take the proportionate percentage rather than selection based on skin color. You said that about 8 to 9% of planets population is Caucasian. Does Canada take less than 8 to 9% Caucasian? I don't think so.

Edited August 28, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[-TSS-]

Fairness is a relative concept. Using different criteria for different people may be someone's idea of fairness.

[taxme]

Rather than making it a Zionist conspiracy as you said in one of your post (or aliens from other planets among us in human form trying to take over our planet) I think the reality is that Canada wants to be fair in immigration and take the proportionate percentage rather than selection based on skin color. You said that about 8 to 9% of planets population is Caucasian. Does Canada take less than 8 to 9% Caucasian? I don't think so.

Canada at this moment in time is a majority Caucasian country, and it needs to remain that way, if Caucasians are to survive as a race of people in Canada in the future they must cease this racial suicide that they are heading for. Our present day immigration policy appears to be anti-white.

Why should this present day anti-white policy be allowed to continue? Why would white people in their own country want to become a minority in their own country? It does not make any sense to me. I am pretty sure that if a referendum was taken today and the question asked was whether Caucasians wanted to push themselves into a minority status I would think that they would choose not to fall into a minority situation. But Caucasians will never be given that opportunity to vote on whether they want to commit racial suicide or not because our Zionist masters won't ever allow it.

Sometimes I have to wonder if Zionists are of an alien nature. It reminds me of one of those space shows they use to have on TV where the Earthlings welcomed some aliens from another planet who said that they came to earth in peace and wanted to work together for the good of both species. But instead, and behind the earthlings back, these aliens were working to destroy and conquer the earthlings and take over their planet. Kind of what one gets when they read about Zionism on the internet and other alternative websites. As long as they say that they are our friends, and we need to work together, we believe them. But behind our backs, they are working against us and are out to control and conquer us earthlings instead.

Hey, one never knows. Anything is possible.

[CITIZEN_2015]

Canada at this moment in time is a majority Caucasian country, and it needs to remain that way, if Caucasians are to survive as a race of people in Canada in the future they must cease this racial suicide that they are heading for. Our present day immigration policy appears to be anti-white.

Why should this present day anti-white policy be allowed to continue? Why would white people in their own country want to become a minority in their own country? It does not make any sense to me. I am pretty sure that if a referendum was taken today and the question asked was whether Caucasians wanted to push themselves into a minority status I would think that they would choose not to fall into a minority situation. But Caucasians will never be given that opportunity to vote on whether they want to commit racial suicide or not because our Zionist masters won't ever allow it.

Sometimes I have to wonder if Zionists are of an alien nature. It reminds me of one of those space shows they use to have on TV where the Earthlings welcomed some aliens from another planet who said that they came to earth in peace and wanted to work together for the good of both species. But instead, and behind the earthlings back, these aliens were working to destroy and conquer the earthlings and take over their planet. Kind of what one gets when they read about Zionism on the internet and other alternative websites. As long as they say that they are our friends, and we need to work together, we believe them. But behind our backs, they are working against us and are out to control and conquer us earthlings instead.

Hey, one never knows. Anything is possible.

I can assure you I am neither Zionist (cannot be any farther than that) trying to take over Canada or alien in human form trying to take over this planet. but the latter is more likely than former. That said I can't see what is so special about the white skin or the obsession you have that the world (or Canada) would come to an end as you appear to be saying if they become a minority. It is just skin color. This is only fair that we need to take a proportional percentage of white race on the planet. What we do need to be selective is not on skin color but rather culture and beliefs and keep out the trash (and that is nothing to do with skin color). and I have posted a lot about that in the past. We must not let in those Nazis from Eastern Europe like Serbia who massacred Muslim women and children or Germany or Britain anymore than we must bring those sub-humans who believe in crimes against women and children and gender discrimination, suicide bombs, hatred and forced hejab.

Edited August 28, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[Argus]

Very difficult for Europeans to move to Canada. The much-vaunted points based system concerns mainly Europeans.

The points system would actually favour Europeans, save for the points you get for being someone's relative. But Europe is granted fewer applications than Asia. If we gave all 300,000 applications to European visa offices they could probably fill them easily given Europe's ongoing economic woes.

Here is how the immigration quota system operates in Canada. Rather than establishing a specific number of visas that will be available for issuance in a particular category and from a particular region in a given year, as is done in the United States, Canada’s immigration officials establish annual target levels for the economic (Skilled Workers, Entrepreneurs, Investors, Self-Employed, Provincial Nominees, and dependents processed abroad of in-Canada landings of Live-in Caregivers) and non economic (Family Class, Refugees and Refugee dependents) Class of immigrants. Resources are then allocated to each mission so that annual target levels will be reached but not exceeded at a visa office. Regardless of how many new applications are submitted to a visa office in a given year, or previous years, output is effectively “frozen” in accordance with the annual target levels set by Ottawa. In fact, the personal performance evaluation of an immigration program manager at each overseas immigration processing office is directly linked to the annual target levels assigned to that mission.

What actually occurs in practical terms therefore is that immigration officials, without any legal obligation to account to Parliament, decide by themselves on the numbers of immigrant visas that will be issued by each visa office, within each category, each year. Government funding is then obtained to permit the delivery of such projections on a mission by mission basis.

http://immigration.ca/en/immigration-wiki2/43-canada-immigration/145-canada-s-annual-immigration-levels-quota-system-in-disguise.html

[Argus]

Canada does not really want white immigrants to come to Canada anymore. And this is plainly obvious as most of our new immigrants today are coming from the non-white world. A

This is simply not true. What happened was that in the seventies the Liberals decided to open up our immigration, which was then Eurocentric, in part because there were fewer Europeans who wanted to come here, and in part because they were progressives and felt that we were being prejudiced by not considering immigrants from elsewhere.

Momentum is a powerful force in bureaucracy, and as immigration program managers in various third world visa offices filled their quotas they would fight tooth and nail to retain those quotas and not see them and thus their power and importance, diminished. So even though the economic worm turned in Europe almost a decade ago, giving us access to masses of highly educated young people with university degrees who see little opportunity at home, those visa applications continue to largely be awarded to Asian, middle east and other third world visa offices.

In addition, of course, the people who came from those areas ten and twenty years ago are the ones now sponsoring relatives to come here in their tens and hundreds of thousands. We don't have an awful lot of recent Spanish immigrants (for example) so despite the unemployment rate being almost 23% you'll find few people to sponsor their relatives to come here as compared to Pakistanis, say, or Indians.

[Argus]

One of the justifications for immigration is, of course, to pay for those baby boomers who are retiring. The problem is if you're importing a bunch of low income workers then Canada's progressive tax system means they're basically not paying much if any taxes.

A government study last year showed that Chinese immigrants are among the least economically successful in Canada. Despite this, the government plans to increase the number of Chinese immigrants! Why!? Why aren't we increasing the number of Irish or Italian immigrants instead?

People from the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, South Africa, Ireland, Italy, Germany, Australia, the Philippines, Croatia, Portugal, Serbia and India did as well or better than native-born Canadians, the study said.

At the other end of the spectrum, almost one-fifth of those from China, Haiti, Pakistan, Ethiopia, Turkey, Colombia, Iran, Morocco, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Algeria, South Korea, Iraq and Taiwan lived below the low income cut-off ($18,759 for a single person in Toronto).

https://www.thestar.com/news/immigration/2015/03/20/government-studies-immigrant-incomes-by-where-they-come-from.html

Edited August 28, 2016 by Argus

[-TSS-]

Canada being a member of the British Commonwealth you probably must give some preference to fellow Commonwealth-members which in your hemisphere include countries like Jamaica and the Bahamas.