Accommodating male/female segregation for Muslims?

[Big Guy]

So you're saying all of France is racist? What other countries are racist? The US? The UK? Are there any countries which, in your opinion, are not racist? Wait, let me guess: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Lebanon...

I say what I state. As to your guesses; who knows, who cares? Please do not ask me frivolous questions and expect a serious answer.

Shoo, go bother somebody else.

[betsy]

I say what I state. As to your guesses; who knows, who cares? Please do not ask me frivolous questions and expect a serious answer.

Shoo, go bother somebody else.

You make statements....and when you're questioned about them, you say shooo, go away?

It's one thing to ignore redundant, senseless opinion.....but it's quite another to be dismissive of legitimate

reaction to your statements.

You can't defend your stance, that's the truth of it. Because it's ridiculous!

Edited August 14, 2016 by betsy

[CITIZEN_2015]

At some point, people from foreign cultures need to adapt to Canadian culture if they're going to live here and integrate here. It's against the freedom of the non-Muslim boys and girls to be free to associate with people of any sex.

EDIT: See my revised position on this topic.

Or better even those very small minority don't come here at all. They know exactly what Canada stands for and how Canadian culture is and then they decide to come here and still keep their way of living or worse a tiny minority trying to impose their culture upon others. You want to feel at home then go back home if you have issues with those at home already.

Edited August 29, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[?Impact]

trying to impose their culture upon others

I didn't know we were talking about the Catholic and other Christian churches trying to kill the indian in the child.

[CITIZEN_2015]

We are talking about 2016 because it is 2016. You are still living in the past Impact. And two wrongs don't make it right either. And yes we are talking about those who (after a long process) willingly chose to come to Europe and North America (and I assume they do so because they are not happy where they are right?) and then try to change our way of life. Here we have mixed gender swimming pools, mix schools, mix buses, night clubs, beaches where ladies wear bikinis (so London Mayor can f**k himself or go to hell), strip bars, dating, sex ...........because we live life. Those who don't like it then they should go back where they prefer living life like death.

Edited August 14, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[Argus]

We are talking about 2016 because it is 2016. You are still living in the past Impact. And two wrongs don't make it right either. And yes we are talking about those who (after a long process) willingly chose to come to Europe and North America (and I assume they do so because they are not happy where they are right?) and then try to change our way of life. Here we have mixed gender swimming pools, mix schools, mix buses, night clubs, beaches where ladies wear bikinis (so London Mayor can f**k himself or go to hell), strip bars, dating, sex ...........because we live life. Those who don't like it then they should go back where they prefer living life like death.

But gender interaction threatens the survival of civilization! You can't be a proper Muslim and interact with the opposite sex. It simply isn't allowed, and has never been allowed.

The regulations related to male-female interaction are essential to the very soundness of human civilization. If ignored, they threaten its very survival.

In the light of the above, we can see that the free intermingling of both the sexes is not allowed. Islam enjoins on both men and women to cast down their looks in presence of each other. How is it possible for men and women to meet freely in dinners, tea parties and other social events with looks cast down?. There is not a single instance in the history of early Islam of men and women being allowed to meet each other freely in any social, political or religious gathering. Even in the Masjid men and women had their separate rows at the time of prayers. The Hadith considers the free mixing with in-laws as death, as there is a greater risk of Fitna.

http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2014/08/06/mixed-gatherings-a-detailed-response-regarding-gender-interaction/

[CITIZEN_2015]

But gender interaction threatens the survival of civilization! You can't be a proper Muslim and interact with the opposite sex. It simply isn't allowed, and has never been allowed.

I have been saying it all along. Canada must change its immigration selection criteria. Selection should not only be based on money and skills but also adaptability and adaptability must take at least as much points as wealth and skills do if not a lot more. Europe is in trouble now (France, Germany, Britain in particular). Do you wish to see the same in Canada in a few decades? And it will UNLESS we start selecting people and select those who in addition to contributing positively to Canada with their investment and skills and tax dollars they would pay over decades but MORE importantly select those who also believe in Canadian values of EQUALITY (of Gender) and respect for other cultures and religions. All past and present governments have been ignoring what Canadians want on immigration which is selectivity but also a reduction in numbers such that this country of only 30 million can absorb.

Edited August 14, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015

[dialamah]

Why? If some prudes want to set up a private event where the genders are segregated I think that's entirely up to them. That's not what happened. We didn't see the local Muslim representatives setting up special classes, but instead demanding regular classes segregate the genders according to their religious and cultural beliefs. Why is it hypocritical to say Canadians should not allow their public organizations to be pressured into conforming with barbarous third world cultural practices in order to please a very few parents?

It seems they didn't "demand", but asked - although I found the article a bit unclear on whether it was an actual request, or if the university simply assumed that was what was wanted. And while I don't support ongoing segregation of males/females in public spaces, I can certainly understand a short-term accommodation for a specific program, to help people who've come from war and refugee camps come to become more comfortable.

[?Impact]

We make accommodations all the time, yet it seems when the accommodations are for Muslims suddenly all is not right with the world. As segregation is being brought up, we segregate based on sex and age all the time and nobody bats an eyelash. Suddenly however, we need to integrate or we are going to hell. Why can't Canadians' have integrated nude saunas like Finland? That interaction is essential to the very soundness of human civilization, our very survival is threatened because we do not.

[CITIZEN_2015]

we segregate based on sex

We segregate based on sex!!!!!. If you are referring to public bathrooms this is not the same as segregating streets, schools, swimming pools, buses.

[Argus]

We make accommodations all the time, yet it seems when the accommodations are for Muslims suddenly all is not right with the world. As segregation is being brought up, we segregate based on sex and age all the time and nobody bats an eyelash. Suddenly however, we need to integrate or we are going to hell. Why can't Canadians' have integrated nude saunas like Finland? That interaction is essential to the very soundness of human civilization, our very survival is threatened because we do not.

I love how all the lefties, who are so zealous in pursuit of gender equality, suddenly run like hell from the idea when a Muslim shows up! Suddenly the genders don't have to be treated the same! Shove those female sluts off into the closet so they don't offend anyone! Ban them! Stick them in another room somewhere so they don't bother the men! Filthy, diseased whores!

Yep, that's liberalism today in Canada. LOL

[Argus]

We segregate based on sex!!!!!. If you are referring to public bathrooms this is not the same as segregating streets, schools, swimming pools, buses.

And the irony is the same people now defend de-segregating public bathrooms and changing rooms to please the transgendered! LOL

Edited August 14, 2016 by Argus

[CITIZEN_2015]

And the irony is the same people now defend de-segregating public bathrooms and changing rooms to please the transgendered! LOL

I didn't defend de-segregation of public bathrooms. I said this is not same as segregating schools, parks, streets, pools. And I never pleased transgendered people just supporting their rights to be treated equal by public in a civilized nation that most of its citizens are civilized and I support their equal rights.

[?Impact]

I love how all the lefties, who are so zealous in pursuit of gender equality, suddenly run like hell from the idea when a Muslim shows up!

I have no problem condemning anyone, including Muslims, for gender based discrimination. If you are willing to get rid of all gender based segregation then I will support you, if you are picking and choosing what gender based segregation appeals to your ideology then I will condemn you if you suggest that someone else's ideology is inferior to yours. What is it?

[Argus]

I have no problem condemning anyone, including Muslims, for gender based discrimination. If you are willing to get rid of all gender based segregation then I will support you, if you are picking and choosing what gender based segregation appeals to your ideology then I will condemn you if you suggest that someone else's ideology is inferior to yours. What is it?

You are SUPPORTING gender discrimination on this topic.

What gender discrimination do we have that you think we need to get rid of? And are you suggesting all ideologies are equally good? Does that include political Islam?

[?Impact]

You are SUPPORTING gender discrimination on this topic.

You are confusing many different terms. There is discrimination, segregation, modesty, privacy, accommodation, and I will even throw in fashion. They are all related to the topic at hand, but they are not the same.

I am not suggesting anything about any ideology, just that if your ideas around segregation are guided by your ideology and think that some other ideology is inferior to another because of a differing view on segregation then I will condemn you.

[Big Guy]

Are the "nationalists" and "protectors of decency" now demanding that all private homes have at least two washrooms - labelled male and female? What a bunch of malarkey!

[WestCoastRunner]

These summer camp kids attending this long running camp are between the ages of 5 and 12. Kids of this age I'm pretty sure could care less if they are playing in a pool with Boys and girls. I see no reason to implement segregated swimming in a long running camp of co-Ed swimming except to appease the parents.

In fact, the Muslim community see no reason as well. Again, I suggest this is a knee jerk action that was meant to offer inclusion but obviously has failed.

I recall from my summer camp days of wonderful memories swimming with boys and girls and many crushes were part of the experience of summertime fun.

[?Impact]

These summer camp kids attending this long running camp are between the ages of 5 and 12. Kids of this age I'm pretty sure could care less if they are playing in a pool with Boys and girls. I see no reason to implement segregated swimming in a long running camp of co-Ed swimming except to appease the parents.

Why do we have segregated changing rooms for kids 5-12 other than to appease the parents? It is all about accommodating differing ideas driven by ideology. I see two completely different questions that should not be confused.

Should we have to accommodate?

Can we accommodate if it is practical?

[Guest]

I have no problem condemning anyone, including Muslims, for gender based discrimination. If you are willing to get rid of all gender based segregation then I will support you, if you are picking and choosing what gender based segregation appeals to your ideology then I will condemn you if you suggest that someone else's ideology is inferior to yours. What is it?

If I had an ideology, lots of other ideologies would be inferior to mine.

I would suggest that the imposition of regulations on behaviour of any kind by anyone at all based on the religion of the imposer would be wrong.

[WestCoastRunner]

Why do we have segregated changing rooms for kids 5-12 other than to appease the parents? It is all about accommodating differing ideas driven by ideology. I see two completely different questions that should not be confused.

Should we have to accommodate?

Can we accommodate if it is practical?

Well I answered your 2 questions

No and no in this specific case.

[WestCoastRunner]

If I had an ideology, lots of other ideologies would be inferior to mine.

I would suggest that the imposition of regulations on behaviour of any kind by anyone at all based on the religion of the imposer would be wrong.

Of course it's based on religion and culture.

[Guest]

How do you separate culture from law?

We have no laws, I hope, that are based on religion. I don't see how we can have none that are based on culture.

Still, at least it's a reasonably good culture.

Edited August 14, 2016 by bcsapper

[WestCoastRunner]

How do you separate culture from law?

Law? These are kids playing together in a long running summer camp swimming pool based on our Canadian culture. What does law have to do with it?

[WestCoastRunner]

How do you separate culture from law?

We have no laws, I hope, that are based on religion. I don't see how we can have none that are based on culture.

Still, at least it's a reasonably good culture.

Do you mean none or any?